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White House reverses [decades old] stand on right to bear arms
Associated Press ^ | Wednesday, May 8 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/08/2002 11:57:58 AM PDT by Patriotman

White House reverses stand on right to bear arms

Associated Press

Washington — Reversing decades of Justice Department policy, the Bush administration has told the Supreme Court that it believes the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess firearms.

At the same time, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer said the case need not test that principle now.

The administration's view represents a reversal of government interpretations of the Second Amendment going back some 40 years.

"The current position of the United States ... is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms," Solicitor-General Theodore Olson wrote in two court filings this week.

That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Mr. Olson, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, was reflecting the view of Attorney-General John Ashcroft that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens and not merely to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the amendment's text.

Mr. Ashcroft caused a stir when he expressed a similar sentiment a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association.

"While some have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees only a 'collective' right of the states to maintain militias, I believe the amendment's plain meaning and original intent prove otherwise," Mr. Ashcroft wrote.

Critics accused him of kowtowing to the gun lobby and of undermining federal prosecutors by endorsing a legal view 180 degrees away from what has been official Justice Department policy through four Democratic and five Republican administrations.

At the time that Mr. Ashcroft wrote the letter, it was unclear whether he was expressing his personal view or stating a new policy position for the government. That question was mostly answered last November, when he sent a letter to federal prosecutors praising an appellate court's decision that found "the Second Amendment does protect individual rights" but noting that those rights could be subject to "limited, narrowly tailored specific exceptions."

That opinion by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals went on to reject arguments from Texas physician Timothy Emerson that a 1994 federal gun law was unconstitutional. The law was intended to deny guns to people under judicial restraining orders.

"In my view, the Emerson opinion, and the balance it strikes, generally reflect the correct understanding of the Second Amendment," Mr. Ashcroft told prosecutors.

Mr. Emerson appealed to the Supreme Court, putting the Justice Department in an awkward position. Although the government won its case in the lower court using the old interpretation of the Second Amendment, Mr. Ashcroft had switched gears by the time the case reached the high court.

Mr. Olson's court filing on Monday urged the Supreme Court not to get involved and acknowledged the policy change in a lengthy footnote. Mr. Olson also attached Mr. Ashcroft's letter to prosecutors.

Mr. Olson made the same notation in a separate case involving a man convicted of owning two machine guns in violation of federal law. In that case, the government also won a lower-court decision endorsing a federal gun-control law.

The Justice Department issued a statement Tuesday night saying its latest comments reflect the Attorney-General's position in the November letter to prosecutors.

"This action is proof positive that the worst fears about Attorney-General Ashcroft have come true: His extreme ideology on guns has now become government policy," said Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which promotes gun control.

Mr. Barnes noted that other federal appeals courts and the Supreme Court have not found the same protection for individual gun ownership that the 5th Circuit asserted in the Emerson case.

The Supreme Court last ruled on the scope of the Second Amendment in 1939, when it said the clause protects only those rights that have "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well-regulated militia."


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To: spqrzilla9
An astute observation. Thanks.

[The People and Senate of Rome?!?]


Jump over here.
61 posted on 05/08/2002 1:35:47 PM PDT by kitchen
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To: Destructor
You must be reading a different thread than I am....
62 posted on 05/08/2002 1:37:59 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Recovering_Democrat
OK, OK. ;) I mean lately, though.
63 posted on 05/08/2002 1:45:41 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: stands2reason
Well, if they are posing as Constitutionalists, it will all come out in the wash.
64 posted on 05/08/2002 1:50:12 PM PDT by Hard Case
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To: The Old Hoosier
Can any one tell me when the assault rifle ban is up for renewal? I think that will tell us more than anything else as to where Bush stands
65 posted on 05/08/2002 1:50:28 PM PDT by texicano
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To: Patriotman
From the lead article:
The Supreme Court last ruled on the scope of the Second Amendment in 1939, when it said the clause protects only those rights that have "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well-regulated militia."

That is a reference to United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), which can be found here: United States v. Miller.

The case is very far from being a gun control freak's license to regulate our weapons possession. The case upheld a law against individuals possessing sawed-off shotguns, but only because they were not military weapons. Among the significant things it says are these:

The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. "A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline." And further, that ordinarily, when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.

66 posted on 05/08/2002 2:02:16 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
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67 posted on 05/08/2002 2:07:29 PM PDT by stand watie
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To: agitator
we MAY finally be at the point of getting some odf thew un-constitutional laws OFF the books! be of good cheer

for a FREE dixie,sw

68 posted on 05/08/2002 2:09:07 PM PDT by stand watie
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To: OldFriend
chuckie may be on his way OUT! i'd be glad to show him, teddy & all the other fascists/liberals/socialists the DOOR!

for dixie,sw

69 posted on 05/08/2002 2:10:53 PM PDT by stand watie
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To: stands2reason
No, just there are some marxists on this forum that are posing as constitutionalists in order to crush the Republican Party. I'm sorry, you may not like it, but it's the truth.

Care to back up tht statement? Got anyone in mind?

70 posted on 05/08/2002 2:11:16 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Patriotman
"...official Justice Department policy through four Democratic and five Republican administrations."

WOW!! I had no idea the Executive Branch had been misinterpreting the Second Amendment that long.

SHEEEESH!! Good for the Bush Administration, though...MUD

71 posted on 05/08/2002 2:12:15 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Brownie74
the USSC did tell us that in a decision >50 years ago! it's just been IGNORED since then!

for dixie,sw

72 posted on 05/08/2002 2:12:21 PM PDT by stand watie
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To: Patriotman
This is wonderful news,BUT!The part of this that says,"certain TYPES of firearms that can be possesed"leaves the door wide open to continue the semi-auto ban and ban others as well!
73 posted on 05/08/2002 2:16:03 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Patriotman
Olsen and Ashcroft have stated how Ashcroft feels....and yet Olsen is telling the court not to test the principle now in the cases he wrote arguments for.

So......nothing will change, apparently....it is possible that nothing will be said, and the 'law of the land' will continue hold sway thru 4 Democratic administrations and 6 Republican administrations (adding the current Bush admin to the list of do-nothing Republican admins, after all)

75 posted on 05/08/2002 2:28:47 PM PDT by Rowdee
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To: Eagle Eye
1. Not here, no way, and 2. yes, I do. One is already gone.
76 posted on 05/08/2002 2:29:42 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Buck Turgidson
I don't know if he actually said he would support an extension of that rotten, unconstitutional piece of crap. But I do know that he is in favor of AW bans; he published that opinion on his website during his campaign for pres. We need to 'educate' the man and LEAN ON HIM VERY HARD and also lobby the rotten miscreants in Congress to allow the law to sunset.
77 posted on 05/08/2002 2:34:36 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: The Old Hoosier
Think on this: even Reagan did not reverse this policy.
78 posted on 05/08/2002 2:52:33 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: 45Auto, The KG9 Kid
It really is true you people can NEVER see anything that Bush does as a positive.
79 posted on 05/08/2002 2:58:35 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
Again, you people can't ever see anything as positive, but only see a conspiracy to screw conservatives.
80 posted on 05/08/2002 2:59:39 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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