Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 19

6/24/02 | Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 19

[stlnative]

Please keep adding 6/24/02 dated Elizabeth Smart updates to this thread...
Remember to keep checking back to this thread today for
today's developing news on the Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping.

Some people may consider today to be actually day 20, I count 1 day for each
24 hours that have passed since Elizabeth was kidnapped.

Links

Suspect being held by FBI in Smart case in SLC - 6/23/02 10pm
Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 18
Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 17

[OldEagle]

Is that Gallagher or his brother??

[Eddie Haskell]

Is that Gallagher or his brother??

Haha, I was going to post something similar. I immediately thought of Gallagher when I saw this guy's photo.

[restornu]

Tell Mr.Marc Klaus to MHOB and let this community do what they feel is the right way!

[cherry]

simply a veiled attack on our beliefs and our society.

you are an embarressment...

why do you come here if you only want to hear yourself talk?

so any news/gossip/insinuations that go against you or apparently your church are not to be talked about or read I guess

This is an open exchange of ideas here, bud..

there is enough Catholic bashing here that I don't feel very welcome but, you know what, I read every bit of it to learn, to understand , to acknowledge

I will read what ever newspaper I want to..I will listen to any radio or tv show I want to...i will read what ever magazine I want to...and I will then decide for myself what is believable

the way some here are carrying on me thinks that the NE story probably is true....you know," the lady does protest too much"

[restornu]

You would!

[Illbay]

Remember, logic and patience will overcome.

I know you're right, but I am NOT doing well on this one, because of the extreme, raw emotion surrounding this girl's disappearance.

I'm a guy, a big, tough guy who likes baseball, cookouts, lawncare and all the other "guy" stuff connected with livin' in the 'burbs.

But I find myself near tears in dealing with this situation. I have three older daughters, in their twenties, and I have a 12-year-old. I don't even want to deal with the transference to them. I have such a low threshhold regarding violence against children that I can't even deal with reading the stories.

Yes, I guess I do take it personally; I put myself in the Smarts' shoes, and then think "on top of it all, how would I deal with rumors and vicious, hellish gossip by all of Satan's imps, to the effect that I was responsible for it?"

Can you see where I'm coming from?

[Illbay]

First, I SEE no Catholic-bashing here, nor would I condone it for two seconds.

Second, for every diatribe such as yours, I get FIVE FReepmails saying "I agree with you 100% but I can't speak out as you do because I can't take the flames from the gossip-mongers."

So there.

[Eddie Haskell]

I think Susan Smith and Darlie Routier are a lot of the reason why people now assume the family is involved. I tend to give the family the benefit of the doubt in this case, although I thought Tom Smart acted rather odd at times. Thank goodness he's been reined in and other family members are speaking out.

[Boatlawyer]

the way some here are carrying on me thinks that the NE story probably is true....you know," the lady does protest too much"

Is there anything that anyone could say to you at this point that DOESN'T raise your suspicions about the Smarts? I am beginning to think you can probably trace your roots back to the "witnesses" at the Salem witch trials.

Seriously, no one is stifling reasoned debate. It's just that when bald assertions from the NE are accepted as "reason" and are not balanced by cooler heads that the discussion approaches the bizarre.

[Illbay]

As I've said before: It would be thoroughly incompetent of the police not to investigate the family first--which they have done.

That's not my beef. My beef is the concoction out of whole cloth--with a little "National Enquirer" thrown in--of the wildest accusations and innuendo. Also, the assumption on the part of many that the Police aren't even looking into all these leads the "geniuses" here have thought of.

One tiny example: This oft-repeated "sketch artist" farago. I ask this: "How do you know that they HAVEN'T brought in a sketch artist? How do you know they DON'T have a sketch? What if there is a very good reason why you aren't seeing this, or many other aspects of the investigation?"

My assumption is the authorities have enough intelligence and enough competence to do what needs to be done.

Meanwhile any thinking person who cares about this case is well within their rights to be suspicious of anything and everyone. In fact, I'm suspcious as well. But I don't treat my "suspicions" as the baseline for reality, as so many of the most maddeningly deluded--and evil-minded--people on these threads are doing.

[TheBigB]

LOL..that's pretty funny...where'd you find that?

[Boatlawyer]

Can you see where I'm coming from?

This subject makes us address our worst fears. The safety of our children violated in our home. We're talking bottom rung of Pavlov's hierarchy of needs. People deal with this kind of stress in many ways.

I become very analytical and lose tolerance for those who aren't. Some people "whistle past the graveyard" by developing theories to assure themselves in can't happen to them, and look for distinctions in the victim's lifestyle to reinforce that notion. That's where alot of the ham-handed theories here arise. "It couldn't happen to me because I'm not MORMON," or "I would NEVER forget to set my burglar alarm," or, if there are no obvious differences, then they resort to "there must be secret depravity involved." The last one works best because it titillates AND reassures at the same time. This is the modus of the National Enquirer, by the way. As I said on an earlier thread, if Ed Smart had been a big burly he-man, they would have found "investigators" to say he was violent and secretly beat his wife and children.

You seem to be frightened by the notion that Yes, Virginia, it COULD happen to you, perhaps because you are of similar background to the Smarts, or perhaps are more astute.

At any rate, railing against moronic comments is only making you sick. Try to understand where these comments are coming from.

And remember that old saying about faith. For the faithless, no explanation is possible. For the faithful, no explanation is necessary.

[Vinomori]

This is just muck-raking. I pray that the Smarts sue the bejeebers out of 'em after this is over, just as Carol Burnett did a few years back.

What do you base the "this is just muck raking" opinion on? If what they reported was not, as they reported, evidence found on computers and in the homes, and not, as they reported, given to them by verifiable sources within law enforcement, then I hope they get the Carol Burnett treatment, too. There's a lot of hoping going on, though.

[Rad_J]

I wrote it yesterday. It's funny how people are quick to attack the family but not Elizabeth. They wont stoop that low, LOL. The worst Elizabeth has gotten is that maybe she ran off with a boyfriend.

Hey, but she is the victim! And the rest of the family isn't? I do think it is odd that many of the flyers around town say Non-Family abduction. What's the point?

[TheBigB]

I can't figure out what's getting these folks like illbay and boatlawyer so bent out of shape. All I've seen are people discussing ideas that maybe seem a bit far-fetched, but certainly aren't "hellish". And like I keep saying, until the real truth is known, speculation is just as valid as anything else. I never even saw any National Enquirer story becuase I don't read the thing. But if comments like "small-minded, petty guttersnipes" and "Satan's imps" are what boatlawyer considers reasoned debate, then his analytical skills aren't as sharp as he thinks they are (and he apparently thinks that he ranks just below Scalia when it comes to analysis). They remind me of those campus liberals who are so determined to stop any ideas they disagree with from being put in the public square that they'll go to any lengths--including personal attacks--to stop them. hey guys, if you have other ideas, let's hear them, rationally. I've heard a lot more nastiness from you two than any others you seem to be attacking.

[TheBigB]

I dunno. :) In the past 24 hours we've seen two outsiders being questioned...Ricci and Edmunds. The police have said Edmunds has been ruled out, so that leaved Ricci, who seems likely. But if...if...he is ruled out as well, then what?

[Vinomori]

I'm telling you, my fellow Saints on this (and related) threads: What you see here with posts like "twigs'" here, is simply a veiled attack on our beliefs and our society.

What's refreshing about most of your "fellow saints" is that they understand differences of opinions and do not interpret a questioning of an individual with a challenge to an entire religion. People are trying to sort through what's factual and what's relevant, and everyone I've heard from here has a single goal of trying to SPEED the solution of this crime so that the girl Elizabeth is safe. To introduce the element of religious persecution into this discussion is more than a little bizarre. Look to "fellow saint" Utah Girl for a more rational and sane interpretation of people who disagree with your opinions.

[philomath]

Pavlov's hierarchy of needs

Maslow, perhaps?? (just had a Pavlovian response to type this while drooling and, well, it had to be done)
p.s. respect for your comments and analysis found on these threads....

[Boatlawyer]

LOL!!! You're right, I guess I got too big for my britches!!

[philomath]

too big for my britches

i see you relaxing in a nice pair of swim trunks on your boat; don't need no stinkin' britches....