Posted on 06/25/2002 11:45:58 AM PDT by RooRoobird14
Hubby just called to report on his visit to the local Sierra Club office in Phoenix.
He had tried calling many times yesterday, and couldn't get through on the phone lines.
Their office front doors were locked--he kept knocking and knocking until they gave up and let him in (LOL). The office window shades were drawn, and they obviously wanted everyone to think they were closed.
The woman who runs the office is one PISSED OFF bull dyke(not making this up). She was extremely angry that he was "bothering" them. She said she was "too busy" and "didn't have time to talk to people like him."
He asked her how many lawyers the Sierra Club employed, and she refused to answer. He asked her what the Sierra Club was doing to help put out the fires and she said "that's none of your business.". He asked her how much federal (taxpayer) grant money the Sierra Club got this year; she said "I don't have to answer that question."
There was a young man in the office who was actually polite and willing to talk to my hysband, but the B.D. was an absolute b*tch.
While hubby was in the office, the B.D. was replaying recorded phone messages left for them by angry callers. Hubby overhead three of the messages. All three were from enraged refugees of the fire who left f-word-peppered messages. One man (said he lost his home in the fire) said he was going to get even with them, he had a gun, and he'd take his time to get even. The BD was taking notes and muttering about filing police reports.
While I don't support anyone threatening violence on the Sierra Club, I can certainly understand how some of the displaced residents could be completely enraged at this point.
Frankly, I'm glad Governor Hull set off a firestorm criticizing enviro-wacko groups and how their lawsuits have paralyzed the Forest Service in general. The dialogue that's ensuing is a good thing.
Sheesh, I swear these people are armchair environmentalists who have never been in a forest. We hike portions of the AT every summer, and even on foot you really need a trail to navigate the steep, overgrown, heavily wooded mountains of N. Ga and Western NC. You couldn't move anything with wheels on it or weighing more than 100 pounds without a good graded logging road.
These Sierra idiots should get lost in the woods and eaten by a bear.
Actually, yes, some Sierra Club Clymer claimed that smokejumpers were all that was needed to fight a wildfire--on one of the cable news shows (I think it was on Hannity and Colmes on Fox)
If they succeed, that will be their ultimate altar gift to their GOD, Edward Abbey--also a pedophile/alcoholic/misogynist/manic-depressive environmental 'activist'.
If you could hold people liable for this kind of irresponsibility, do you think we'd have all these problems with runaway litigation?
Put another way, do you think the Trial Lawyer's Assoc would allow this sort of check on suing behavior?
Sierra Club is immune, except for public approbrium.
If there was ever a doubt about the existence of God, one trip to that area of beauty would certainly put that question to rest.
Hey! Watch your language! Do you have any idea how many elderly female horses would take offense at that comparisom? :^)
I believe we have a 'Quote of the Day'.
Don't follow your logic, but I saw another post that stated immunity resulted from an Executive Clintoon Order.
I'd like to see it overturned or challenged in court, not simply give in.
Couldn't agree more.
Collins Almanor Forest Produsts
Bitter End Fire
Of the Approximately 900 acres burned, 600 were timbered. The 1990 Bitter End burn was part of the larger Campbell Fire, which burned 131,000 acres in Tehama County in 1990. Except for a few heavily burned areas, most of the impacted CAF lands received a light burn. Only 245 thousand board feet of timber needed salvaging in 1990.
Petunia's note - the national forest lands (not thinned due to enviral lawsuits) were all more heavily damaged than the pulp company's holdings.
I think this is the link.
The President
Executive Order 12986 of January 18, 1996
International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources
By virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 1 and 14 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288 et seq., as amended by section 426 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1994 and 1995, Public Law 103–236), I hereby extend to the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources the privileges and immunities that provide or pertain to immunity from suit. To this effect, the following sections of the International Organizations Immunities Act shall not apply to the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources:
—Section 2(b), 22 U.S.C. 288a(b), that provides international organizations and their property and assets with the same immunity from suit and judicial process as is enjoyed by foreign governments.
—Section 2(c), 22 U.S.C. 288a(c), that provides that the property and assets of international organizations shall be immune from search and confiscation and that their archives shall be inviolable.
—Section 7(b), 22 U.S.C. 288d(b), that provides the representatives of foreign governments in or to international organizations and the officers and employees of such organizations with immunity from suit and legal process relating to acts performed by them in their official capacity and falling within their functions. This designation is not intended to abridge in any respect privileges, exemptions, or immunities that the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources may have acquired or may acquire by international agreements or by congressional action.
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