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A Burning Desire, A Critique of the Sierra Club Public Lands Fire Management Policy (1999)
Self | 1999 | Mark Edward Vande Pol

Posted on 07/11/2002 10:13:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie

A Burning Desire

© 1999 by Mark Edward Vande Pol, all rights reserved.

If environmentalists were left to their own devices, do they have a better way to manage wild-lands? Criticisms by environmentalists about private enterprise are so ubiquitous it is high time to critically analyze of one of their proposals. How often are their plans submitted for scrutiny, peer review, or an EIR? The sad part is that it is so easy to do. The cited text is reprinted off the Sierra Club web site.

Public Lands Fire Management

Sierra Club Policy: Public Lands Fire Management URL:http://www.sierraclub.org/policy/conservation/fire.asp

Sierra Club Board of Directors March 17-19, 1989:

(Yep, this is the current policy, adopted immediately AFTER the Yellowstone Fire.)

1. Fire is a natural, integral, and valuable component of many ecosystems. Fire management must be a part of the management of public lands. Areas managed for their natural values often benefit from recurring wildfires and may be harmed by a policy of fire suppression. Long-term suppression of small wildfires may build up conditions making occasional catastrophic conflagrations inevitable."

Recurring fire is a natural occurrence in the West, unless people have suppressed fire for sixty years. That process of suppression has been harmful. The fuel load is not at a ‘natural’ level. It will not result therefore in a ‘natural’ fire. ‘Inevitable’ implies, ‘It is too big a problem and too much potentially harmful work to do anything to mitigate’. It is inferred that nobody is responsible for a conflagration if it happens because it’s ‘natural’. If the fuel level was forced by human activity, does ignition absolve those who had a choice of the time of ignition and the composition of the fuel?

2. Every fire should be monitored. Naturally occurring fires should be allowed to burn in areas where periodic burns are considered beneficial and where they can be expected to burn out before becoming catastrophic. Human-caused fires in such areas should be allowed to burn or be controlled on a case-by-case basis.

Note the prejudice toward unplanned fires. They want monitoring but not planning. Are they crazy? They just said that catastrophic fire was ‘inevitable.’ Who is going to be responsible for determining whether it will go out by itself or progress to a catastrophe on a case-by-case basis? Weather in the mountain regions of California is highly changeable, localized, and unpredictable. Are they going to get everybody together for a meeting before they decide while the fire builds? Who controls the fire if the only plan for ignition is that there should be no plan?

If this policy is adopted,

And, most important,

One could go on. It’s easy.

3. In areas where fire would pose an unreasonable threat to property, human life or important biological communities, efforts should be made to reduce dangerous fuel accumulations through a program of planned ignitions. New human developments should be discouraged in areas of high fire risk.

What is an "unreasonable threat" and how is that determined and by whom? If there has been sixty years of fire suppression then a threat to biological communities seems highly likely. Note no mention of exotic species abetted by fire. If it is an "unreasonable threat" to property, we should just burn it anyway? Note they talk of planned ignitions only when it’s dangerous and an unreasonable threat. I guess they want the conflagrations with loss of life and property to be "human error" or some other piece of PR that advances the cause. Why won’t they allow someone to chop up the excess fuel, get it on the ground, away from structures and prime botanical specimens and then light it?

Where is there not a high fire risk in the West? Do they mean there should be no more new development? If they do they should tell their Democratic Party masters. Real estate and development interests are among the biggest Democratic donors in California politics.

4. When fires do occur that pose an unacceptable threat to property or human life, prompt efforts should be undertaken of fire control.

Whoever was monitoring and didn’t put it out fast enough when the wind changed is at fault if that house burns down or the people die. How do you allocate sufficient equipment for all those unplanned fires? God forbid if, during the fire season, that equipment might be fighting a fire somewhere else they didn’t plan one. It had better be a "prompt" response!

Prompt enough to absolve the misbegotten progenitors of a plan like this?

"Go to a large remote area with a high fuel load, interspersed with homes, with minimal water available. Don’t touch any of the fuel. Start and contain a series of small fires (it would take thousands of them) without a single one getting out of hand. If they get out of control, put them out REALLY fast!"

On whose insurance policy?

5. In areas included in or proposed for the National Wilderness Preservation System, fires should be managed primarily by the forces of nature. Minimal exceptions to this provision may occur where these areas contain ecosystems altered by previous fire suppression, or where they are too small or too close to human habitation to permit the ideal of natural fire regimes. Limited planned ignitions should be a management option only in those areas where there are dangerous fuel accumulations, with a resultant threat of catastrophic fires, or where they are needed to restore the natural ecosystem.

Name a place in California that has NOT been altered by fire suppression. Limited ignitions only where it is dangerous? Where the threat is catastrophic? Minimal exceptions? The purpose of a plan should be to restore a natural fire balance. How are they going to get it done that way? Is this the best the Sierra Club can do?

6. Land managers should prepare comprehensive fire management plans. These plans should consider the role of natural fire, balancing the ecological benefits of wildfire against its potential threats to natural resources, to watersheds, and to significant scenic and recreational values of wild lands.

Is there a basic problem with sitting in an office writing a plan and not being out in the field dealing with the problem according to established forestry principles with which most of the wilderness managers are familiar? In my engineering experience, we discover the inefficacy of such plans as soon as we start to implement them. Not only that, but if you are too busy not planning the ignition, there are simply too many interactive variables for which to account. Relative humidity, temperature, wind, and fuel moisture content ALL radically change the way that a fire progresses. It sounds like a plan that is too complex to be realistic. Deal with the FUEL first, then plan the ignition.

Now it IS possible to have a plan if you intend to ignite it under conditions known to be controllable and non-destructive. That might be possible, and in fact should be done.

Note the idea of fuel mitigation prior to a fire doesn’t even get discussed. They want scenic considerations taken into account? If the forest isn’t healthy it won’t stay scenic. It won’t be too scenic after any kind of fire. Not too many people will want to camp there for a couple of years at least, especially after one of those ‘unavoidable’ conflagrations (there is an awful lot of dust). Why should that even be a consideration when it comes to ecological health?

7. Methods used to control or prevent fires are often more damaging to the land than fire. Fire control plans must implement minimum-impact fire suppression techniques appropriate to the specific area.

You don’t get to fight conflagrations exactly the way you would prefer. The minimum impact is not to have a conflagration at all.

8. Steps should be taken to rehabilitate damage caused by fighting fires. Land managers should rely on natural revegetation in parks, designated or proposed wilderness areas, and other protected lands. Where artificial revegetation is needed, a mixture of appropriate native species suited to the site should be used.

How big would a nursery have to be in order to revegetate the acreage of all likely conflagrations to be started by unplanned ignitions? It should have all the local genotypes of plants in adequate quantity for all of the areas subject to serious fire risk ready to go. While they are at it, they should also collect all the necessary local insects, amphibians and other animals and provide them their specially selected diet. How many horticulturists, entomologists, and animal behavior specialists are we going to need? Keep them from cross breeding or contamination by humans while you are at it!

Conflagrations are a serious risk to biodiversity. It is better to plan not to have them.

9. The occurrence of a fire does not justify salvage logging or road building in areas that are otherwise inappropriate for timber harvesting. Salvage logging is not permitted in designated wilderness areas or National Park System units.

It justifies anything but have a way for somebody to cover some of the horrific cost of clearing, replanting some of those natives, and assuming the risk of lighting it on fire! It might even help to offset some of the cost of monitoring and assisting the reestablishment of various native species, and keeping out the pests. Oh, but the government can thin as long as they don’t sell logs! Then in the next breath they tell you that they don’t have the "funding". Meanwhile somebody logs somewhere else to provide the wood. The real reason they won’t allow thinning in advance is that it is not directly under their control.

Nobody knows how to solve problem of a sixty-year fuel load in an area infested with pests and exotic species optimally in all of the circumstances as exist. NOBODY. Government certainly does not have the resources to do it. Government does not have all the local knowledge to manage all of the controlled burns needed. On private lands, they don’t know where the water is, they don’t know where the roads are, the patterns of breezes, they don’t know the site-specific information that only a landowner can. Indeed, government is in the way.

It doesn’t have to happen this way!

If we were to reduce the fuel risk by removing some of the fuel prior to the burn we could manage these fires. The problem is that it would cost a lot of money. That means it won’t get done. Somebody could make some money to pay for at least part of it by selling logs. This can be done with less impact than that inevitable conflagration. God forbid, these people just can’t bring themselves to admit that an occasional stump might be preferable to a conflagration. The stump will break down in about 20 years and we can start over with a fire management plan that is similar to what they propose.

The Clean Air Act must be amended to minimize impact on controlled burning plans. When we have wild fires with unplanned ignitions there is air pollution. If it is a wild fire they call it smoke instead. When we don’t plan the ignition (as is proposed in the majority of cases by the Sierra Club) we have no choices about the atmospheric conditions that minimize the air pollution impact of the smoke. When we have conflagrations, the recovery time greatly increases. There is more erosion from the runoff and subsequent water pollution of the lakes.

The Sierra Club plan is a good one if only if you had forests in a primeval condition, but they have not been primeval for a very long time. The problem with the Sierra Club plan is that the ideal circumstances upon which it presupposes hardly exist. To assume that the forests will return to primeval condition, or even benefit from hands-off management after species have been selected for fire response by anthropogenic means for 10,000 years is beyond mere stupidity.

For a political organization of the size and power of the Sierra Club, to demand that the solutions be ideal when the situation precludes that possibility is either psychotic or represents an agenda having nothing to do with forest management. It’s offensive. They should look at the size and scope of the fires this year and be ashamed. The response has been one of denial and blame.

It’s time they were held accountable. Clinton Executive Order - 12986 exempted ALL members of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources from civil liability. The Sierra Club is a member. That EO was a TOTALLY unconstitutional violation of 14th Amendment equal protection.

George Bush should rescind that EO, now.

Mark Edward Vande Pol is a medical device engineer, author, and hobbyist in habitat restoration science. He has no interest in commercial logging. His book: Natural Process: That Environmental Laws May Serve the Laws of Nature details the adverse environmental impact of political and legal ecosystem management. He proposes an alternative, free-market environmental management system capable of evolving an objective pricing system for ecosystem resources. This article was adapted from a piece of flotsam that didn’t fit in the book. You can send your complaints to Contact@wildergarten.com or order a copy at http://www.naturalprocess.net.


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To: All; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave
WASHINGTON, THE STATE THAT ALLOWED FOUR YOUNG FIREFIGHTERS TO PERISH DUE TO THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT

It was a year ago yesterday that this happened. Visit my profile page to see a memorial to these four young people.

41 posted on 07/11/2002 5:31:31 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: Spunky; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; madfly; farmfriend; Shermy; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Black Agnes; ...
Please go to Spunky's home page for the grim reality of the Enviral nazis re the death of the four young fire fighters last year.

Spunky, you should email this to the brave republican congressmen who tacking the a$$es of the Club Sierra Nazis and other envirals to the barn door before it burns down.
42 posted on 07/11/2002 5:37:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; Spunky
Spunky, follow these links:

Ignorance Making You Ill? Cure It!

43 posted on 07/11/2002 5:43:06 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: c-b 1
Pong!
44 posted on 07/11/2002 5:47:40 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: forester
Did I miss anything?
45 posted on 07/11/2002 6:29:40 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: nunya bidness
More thoughts on the topic, along with a smoking gun.
46 posted on 07/11/2002 6:50:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Glutton
This story is truly acrid.
47 posted on 07/11/2002 6:53:01 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I have worked on many wildland fires, and know more about them then many people. I know that the problem of the removal of fire as part of the ecosystems our forest are was due to the public's fright at severe fires near the start of the twentieth century.

Many prescription burns (slash burning) I have worked on were only allowed after the stae or federal officials were reasionably assured by the weatherman that the winds would be blowing the smoke the right way, thus we have another political component in regards to our forest fire fighting policy: If the smoke makes tax paying voters unhappy, try to pretect them from it bothering them.

We all have to suffer a little bit if fires burning out light fuels making things as smokey as the first explorers to this land found it.

Private industry, and local, state, and federal governments also need to stop defering or not doing the vast amount of stewardship work there is to do in forest; much of which involved reducing fuels that are a hundred hours or less, (fuels often are graded this way, and it refers to dry-out time.)

I see everyone taking pot-shots and posturing to hurt everyone else on this issue. In fact, we all own a little of the blame for how we have removed fire from it's rightful place in forest ecosystems, and when the retoric cools off some, maybe we can all put the blame-game aside, roll up our sleeves, and work to make and keep healthy the forest we all love - and fight over so much.

Thanks for the bump.

48 posted on 07/11/2002 7:08:46 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: Glutton
Private industry, and local, state, and federal governments also need to stop defering or not doing the vast amount of stewardship work there is to do in forest; much of which involved reducing fuels that are a hundred hours or less, (fuels often are graded this way, and it refers to dry-out time.)

How can they do that when they get sued nearly every time they try? Who brings those suits? Who sponsors those groups? EarthJustice ring a bell?

I see everyone taking pot-shots and posturing to hurt everyone else on this issue. In fact, we all own a little of the blame for how we have removed fire from it's rightful place in forest ecosystems, and when the retoric cools off some, maybe we can all put the blame-game aside, roll up our sleeves, and work to make and keep healthy the forest we all love - and fight over so much.

If you have read my work, you know that I have made exactly that commitment. This is no potshot. It is a body blow at an arrogant batch of urban lawyers who have never picked up a Pulaski in their lives.

No, it is time for these thugs in the Sierra Club to OWN the damage that they have done, and it isn't just fire. IMHO it is their aversion to herbicides abetting weeds excaping containment. In addition, it is the way they have driven production offshore, and impoverished landowners who would do that maintenance if they weren't putting EVERY AVAILABLE DIME into legal battles with idiot wack-jobs who don't know what they are talking about, and you DO know what I mean.

No, the shoe fits. These people have thrown every single hateful term in the book at landowners who didn't deserve it. The have witlessly abetted the investors who funded the very NGOs who fund EF! so that THEY could make bigger bucks on those offshore investments.

I hate to break it to you, but that is why those investors have poured BILLIONS into environmental NGOs every year. So now you know why Pew (SUNOCO) gave $100 million to the Tides Foundation alone.

49 posted on 07/11/2002 7:25:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hmmm, It seems I forgot to ping you, Ernest. I don't know if you saw this.
50 posted on 07/11/2002 11:45:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I had been pinged I think, but I had been busy and done nothing more than skimmed it!

I still need to spent a lot more time on what you have in the thread, But this :

It’s time they were held accountable. Clinton Executive Order - 12986 exempted ALL members of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources from civil liability. The Sierra Club is a member. That EO was a TOTALLY unconstitutional violation of 14th Amendment equal protection.

Is Big to me! I didn't know that!

51 posted on 07/12/2002 12:01:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One has to wonder how Congress or the President can think that they can exempt anyone from civil liability law. If they don't like the risk of frivolous suits, do something about risk or fix the tort system.
52 posted on 07/12/2002 12:04:43 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
This comes from the Sierra Club's Arizona site, while fires were raging:
Sierra Club Sweating AZ Fires! (my title)

We should all work together promote healthy forest management and encourage the Forest Service to invest in fire prevention through thinning the forests near communities, where these activities will do the most good. With scarce dollars and millions of acres of smaller dense trees, the top priority should be to focus on thinning forests closest to communities (within 1/2 mile of structures, according to the experts) and on homeowners clearing away brush and wood from next to their houses and freeing their roofs of twigs and needles.

Very few forest thinning projects have been appealed, let alone litigated. Nearly a year ago the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, looked at all 1,671 Forest Service fire prevention projects on the national forests and found that
only 20 had been challenged by industry, recreation, individual or environmental interests. WRONG
Only one was in Arizona near Flagstaff, and all the parties reached a compromise. The Forest Service is simply not being stalled on fire prevention by citizen groups; their controversies come from continuing to log the few remaining fire resistant, old growth trees for timber sales.

Please take a moment to write and let your voice be heard. Don't forget to keep your letters brief (200 words or less is best) and be sure to include your name, address and a daytime phone number. Thank you!


53 posted on 07/12/2002 8:17:39 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
They are still lying. It would be fun to know how to hack that site.
54 posted on 07/12/2002 8:38:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
They should have their 501-c status investigated.
55 posted on 07/12/2002 9:19:58 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly; *Enviralists
Thanks for the ping, suprised this hasn't already been indexed.
56 posted on 07/13/2002 12:10:42 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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bttt
57 posted on 07/14/2002 4:37:25 PM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
bttt
58 posted on 07/15/2002 9:14:33 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
Mega-bump!!!!
59 posted on 07/15/2002 4:18:59 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: madfly
Mega-bump!!!!
60 posted on 07/15/2002 4:18:59 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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