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California: Republicans force Anti-SUV bill to be sent to governor
KFI AM640, Los Angeles | July 11, 2002

Posted on 07/11/2002 4:02:12 PM PDT by John Jorsett

Just heard a live interview with Republican Bill Campbell on KFI AM 640 in Los Angeles. He reported that the Republicans in the legislature have forced anti-SUV bill AB1493 to governor Davis' desk. This gives Davis 12 days in which to sign or veto the bill. Democrats in the legislature had been bottling up the already-passed bill in order to head off a potential initiative challenge from opponents. Had they succeeded in delaying passing the bill to Davis until the legislature adjourned, opponents would not have had enough time to gather the 420,000 signatures necessary to get a recission initiative on the November ballot, and would have had to wait until March of 2004. There may still be insufficient time, but this move by Republicans may give opponents enough leeway to mount a successful signature-gathering campaign. Democrats want to keep the initiative off the November ballot because those pushing it are sure to mount a vigorous campaign, and Democrats think that it will damage Davis' chances at reelection, as well as their own electoral prospects.


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KEYWORDS: calgov2002; california; davis; environmentalist; sportutility; suv; whackos
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To: Grampa Dave
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

GOOD FOR YOU! (Yes, I'm YELLING!)
61 posted on 07/11/2002 9:31:36 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: M_Man
I'm guessing that the Dems are putting pressure on the Lame Duck Gov to veto this thing.

No pressure required- like I said on 7/1, I think this is a setup by the Dems for Grey to veto, so he can save the day for the "California family" and salvage his deeply troubled campaign.

7/1 post here

Heck, I could write the commercial he'll create from this slick maneuver. "When the California legislature acted irresponsibly in passing anti-SUV legislation, Governor Grey Davis stepped in and promptly vetoed the measure to keep the SUV affordable for the California family. Grey Davis- protecting Californians."

Excuse me while I go BARF!

62 posted on 07/11/2002 9:33:06 PM PDT by Rockitz
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To: Rockitz
I think this is a setup by the Dems for Grey to veto, so he can save the day for the "California family" and salvage his deeply troubled campaign.

I'm afraid that's wishful thinking. Davis will sign it (in fact he's already announced that he will) because vetoing it would totally p!ss of his liberal base. He's already having problems keeping liberal Democrats lined up behind him. Green Party candidate Peter Camejo is pulling about 5% at this time. Big-time liberals and environmentalists and Hollywood stars pushed heavily for AB 1493. They made it a make-or-break litmus issue for Democrats, who still had to resort to desperate subterfuges to pass it with the minimum 41 votes in the Assembly.

Davis is boxed in good on this one. He must and will sign it, but the consequences could cost him his re-election.

63 posted on 07/11/2002 11:09:20 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: nimc
I hope your Fordasaurus has that big ole Diesil engine.

The sight of that Dump Gray Vote Green Sticker on your Fordasaurus will cause Rats and Enviralists to have complete breaks with reality.

You need to come up with something like this:

SAVE SUVS! DUMP DAVIS!

64 posted on 07/11/2002 11:09:39 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Schatze; Rockitz
Rockitz: Fortunately, I think you're wrong - Davis desperately needs to solidify his base, which is looking very seriously at the Green. This article, from a couple of weeks ago, shows how disenchanted the Left is with Gray Davis. They even had the nerve to say that Simon, however evil he may be, could hardly have done a worse job!

If Davis vetoes this bill, the Liberal media will slaughter him, and rightly so. To give you an idea of the stakes as senn from the left, here's the Weekly's take on the issue. As you can see, they believe this is an initiative that could revolutionize California, just as the electric car mandate of a few years back did. (What? You say it didn't? This is the same kind of feel-good, no substance issue, and I strongly suspect it will enjoy the same fate even if we don't manage to have it reversed).

Schatze: I believe those ideas were written out of this bill in an effort to make it more attractive to moderates. Frankly, in the end, I think the bill is completely toothless and worthless, and will become a complete no-op by 2009 regardless of what happens. I have expressed this view several times in threads relating to the bill, and so far I have not heard anyone agree ... or disagree.

D

65 posted on 07/11/2002 11:28:01 PM PDT by daviddennis
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To: daviddennis
here's the Weekly's take on the issue

We ought to capture that article. I think what is a toothless bill the National Democratic Party can use to beat on the Republicans in 2002 and 2004. We need to defeat it even though it seems that it is so far off that it is of no consequence!

66 posted on 07/11/2002 11:35:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: daviddennis
You are correct in saying that the bill has been amended to make it more "moderate", but there is one factor that is key: the new bills gives CARB the right to determine what manufacturers must do to sell their cars in California. While they can not outright ban SUV or increase gas taxes as the original bill enabled them to do, they can impose strict requirements on manufacturers before a car can be sold in California.

What this means is that either the price of cars will increase because manufacturers will comply with new rules and pass the cost of compliance on to the consumer, or there will be fewer automobile choices to consumers.

I'll need to look at the bill again -- I have read it -- because I'm sure that there's something else insidious in there, otherwise they wouldn't be pushing so hard for it when the public is obviously opposed to it.

67 posted on 07/11/2002 11:57:08 PM PDT by Gophack
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To: John Jorsett
index bump
68 posted on 07/12/2002 12:04:24 AM PDT by Kay Soze
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To: Lancey Howard
Bump, You may be right! I think I heard them say that they were from the N.J-N.Y. area>

They have been quite effective out here, They got 240,000 voters in Orange County,(CA.)to nominate a write-in candidate to run against a pedophile judge who was on his way to an un-contested election in our last primary.

They also did a remote from condidit's office and nearly got arrested, they love to raise h3ll with the political buffons in our target rich environment!

69 posted on 07/12/2002 12:44:35 AM PDT by Not now, Not ever!
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To: dalereed
"The small minority finally accomplished something!"

It's not the small minority who is accomplishing something. It's a small minority within the majority of people who have been sitting back while legislators force their narrow views down their throats.

70 posted on 07/12/2002 5:03:20 AM PDT by klgator
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To: Euro-American Scum
At this rate, Simon won't have to mount much of a campaign. Just keep his mouth shut and let Governor Doofus self-destruct.

How did you get a peek at Simon's campaign strategy book???

71 posted on 07/12/2002 5:48:52 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Lancey Howard
I hope they are as effective in California as they were in New Jersey.

Yep, that is the same John and Ken. So far, they have gotten a pedophile (alleged) judge unelected (though he was running unopposed on the ballot and most people had no awareness of his house arrest for molestation until they started their media campaign)and been the major force behind getting the Demos' stupid soda tax idea thrown into the garbage.

I was there for their sendoff yesterday: they took 50 SUVs, driving through the night from Orange County to Sacramento (8 hours of driving) to the Capitol steps in Sacramento for their show today. The SUVs, minivans, and trucks were all decorated with messages for Davis. The Assemblyman (R) and two state Senators (both R) who appeared on yesterday's show all thought this kind of stunt will REALLY GET to Gray. Let's hope they get lots of press for this.

72 posted on 07/12/2002 5:56:30 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; nimc; All
SAVE SUVS! DUMP DAVIS!
73 posted on 07/12/2002 6:43:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Gophack; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Some points: I would normally say that something as transparent and futile as this bill shouldn't save Davis from the anger of the Left, but for some reason the Left loves the bill. I have to believe they simply haven't done the hard thinking I have that reveals that, in reality, it's a paper tiger likely to have little to no effect.

D

74 posted on 07/12/2002 7:30:03 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: M_Man
Interesting point. If so, the Dems may be divided on this.

Checking out http://www.wedrive.org, it was 41 Dems, no GOP that voted for this bill. One Dem voted against it and several Dems did not vote or abstained.
75 posted on 07/12/2002 9:24:27 AM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: John Jorsett; NEWwoman
Knowing the dims and the media, they will portray this now as a "republican backed" or "bi partisan" measure.
76 posted on 07/12/2002 10:45:21 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Lancey Howard
If I am not mistaken, "John and Ken" are the same "John and Ken" who had a very popular radio show in New Jersey about twelve years ago, and who were instrumental in the tax revolt which ultimately resulted in the ousting of the liberal Democrat incumbent, Jim Florio, when he ran for reelection as governor. He lost to challenger Christie Todd Whitman.

They are the very ones. They were talking about this on their show yesterday, and were quite proud of it.

77 posted on 07/12/2002 1:39:04 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: daviddennis
Fortunately, I think you're wrong ...

Maybe I'm giving the Dems too much credit? You must admit that it would, however, be politically brilliant to sacrifice this bill for Grey's reelection. I hope I am wrong, because this is the kind of thing that, despite all the cr@p he's pulled, could bring him through on election day and I think that deep down inside he knows it. That's the scary part. His career is over otherwise.

78 posted on 07/13/2002 7:53:23 AM PDT by Rockitz
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To: dpwiener
He signed it. You were right. I was wrong. Fortunately, this is the last nail in Davis' coffin as far as the governor's race is concerned and for that we can all be thankful.
79 posted on 07/22/2002 7:37:40 PM PDT by Rockitz
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To: Rockitz
He signed it. You were right. I was wrong. Fortunately, this is the last nail in Davis' coffin as far as the governor's race is concerned and for that we can all be thankful.

You're overly optimistic. It might be a nail (but not the nail) in Davis' coffin, if Simon knew how to use a hammer.

80 posted on 07/22/2002 10:28:02 PM PDT by dpwiener
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