But Officer, I Didn't Do Anything!

Tampa Tribune ^ | Jul 22, 2002 | JIM SLOAN

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Mag ich Ihre Papiere sehen gefalle?..., was die Natur Ihres buisness im Wandhandelszentrum ist?

May i see your papers please ?...what is the nature of your buisness in wall mart?

[dcwusmc]

You would be the decent American to whom you refer? I am not at all sure your family should be any part of the armed forces. You would fit all too easily into the informer mode, denouncing anyone for just looking at you cross-eyed.

You: "Oh, OFFICER, see that woman there? I am SURE she's up to SOMETHING. Could you investigate her please?"

Federal Officer: "Why, sure, Mizz Frying Pan. What tipped you off?"

You: "Well, it was that surly look she cast at me as I cut her off in traffic. She MUST be up to something!"

BTW, my 81-year old mother doesn't care if I use MY computer! Neener, neener, neener.

[varon]

Outragous. Intolerable. Rediculous. Abusive.

I live near there. And I'm not pulling over for this BS.

Two men are driving through Texas when they
get pulled over by a Texas Ranger.
The cop walks up and taps on the window with his nightstick.
The driver rolls down the window and WHACK,
the cop smacks him in the head with the stick.
The driver asks, "What the hell was that for?"
The cop answers, "You're in Texas son. When we pull you over,
you better have your license ready when we get to your car."
The driver says, "I'm sorry, Officer, I'm not from around here."
The cop runs a check on the guy's license, and he's clean.
He gives the guy his license back, walks around to the passenger side
and taps on the window.
The passenger rolls down the window and WHACK,
the cop smacks him on the head with the nightstick.
The passenger asks, "What'd you do that for?"
The cop says, "Just making your wish come true."
The passenger asks, "Making what wish come true?"
The cop says, "I know that two miles down the road you're gonna say to
your buddy, 'I wish that asshole would've tried that shit with me!'"

[Mr_Pacific]

"Why was I stopped."

"Am I under arrest?"

"See ya."

[Fred Hayek]

In Houston, Texas, I was driving to work in Sugar Land (Fluor) at rather early hour in the morning -mostly to run some computer database when the network was not loaded down. Some beater car pulled up behind me with some sad excuse for wig-wags (alternate flashing headlights, the timing looked like the bozo was working some switches). The vehicle looked like nothing in the regular HPD inventory. I did not pull over for the vehicle. I found out later that the bozo was not HPD, and I was correct not to pull over for such a vehicle. The it is also correct to pull over into a public place, such as a gas station or a convenience store, a legit police officer might not like it at first.

Of course Houston had a problem for a few years of home invaders posing as police officers, FBI, or DEA agents, with sometimes rather convincing looking phony uniforms (especially when they're rushing the house)

[RightWhale]

That doesn't get it. It doesn't say who the owner might be, and it sure isn't any Joe who happens to stray onto the land. The battle is practically lost, and has probably been lost since the Mining Law of 1872. See United States vs Gratiot and United States vs Gear. That is subsurface estate although surface estate have a similar history in the sense of ownership. Note also that rights do not imply ownership although vice versa might be true.

[Triple]

Do you think it is right for them to be in uniform and driving their Police Cruisers if they are off-duty and in fact moonlighting?

NO.

If they are truly off-duty, should they be charged as civilians impersonating an officer?

I think a policy change by the police chief, not a criminal case is in order. I recommend administrative discipline for those that fail to comply, which may ultimately include firing.

Clear enough? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Triple]

Your 100 does not make a lick of sense.

You think the founding fathers had a major problem with those who did not have the utmost respect for authority?

PSSSST - These were the same people who wrote the 'Declaration of Independence'.

[RightWhale]

The 8th Commandment, the 4th Amendment, the 5th Amendment. That's it. That's the legal basis of all property rights, and it's not explicit. ius and dominium are the names of the game. Since the Christians tossed the Law of Moses, that leaves just the 4th and 5th Amendments. There is precedent in Roman law and English Common law, but it is the body of law, that is, case-law that has defined the situation we are now in.

As to rights, they are not granted but acknowledged, and only after they are asserted. So go ahead and assert your rights, no one will do it for you. Then you find out whether the state will acknowledge your rights. Seems like the state is not in a mood to acknowledge at this time; and maybe never will be again. The momentum is going the other way.

[USA21]

PoliceState

[maxwell]

``With the cooperation of state troopers, the state is allowed to pull people over just to seek information.''

Yeah, but are folks legally required to render that info?

[CJ Wolf]

The government can order you off the street at any time because they own it and you don't.

Thus with that power do they not also own you?

[RightWhale]

do they not also own you?

No doubt some people associated with government think so. They talk and act like they do.

[gitmo]

In other words, the people of the government, by the government and for the government?

[RightWhale]

Do you think it's headed there, or is it there already?

[riley1992]

If it was a random search, I would have felt better.

God, you are one scary human being.

[adx]

If I'm seeing this correctly, that "off-duty" officer is carrying his sidearm openly. Is that legal for them to do that off-duty? I always thought that when they're off-duty, it had to be concealed. Chapter 790 of Florida Statutes doesn't make that clear. Does anyone here know?