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Lots of Lawyers Mad at [Bill] O'Reilly
FoxNews ^ | Thursday, July 25, 2002 | Bill O'Reilly

Posted on 07/25/2002 12:23:41 PM PDT by Michael2001

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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It's all about the money. I'm sure there are some fine lawyers out there, but I lost respect for many after the OJ trial.
1 posted on 07/25/2002 12:23:41 PM PDT by Michael2001
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And your plan to protect the innocent? Personally, I'm completely fed up with lawyers being agents of the court and doing everything under the sun except defending the rights of their clients. It's taken hold especially well in the family court system, where men pay tens of thousands of dollars to lawyers who cheat them to death and receive praise from the courts for doing so. It seems to me that if someone, even Bill O'Reilly wants to live in a different type of system, North Korea, Iraq, and China for example are just a plane ride away.

That's my talking points memo.
2 posted on 07/25/2002 12:43:13 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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What if the lawyer doesn't know whether the client is guilty? Most lawyers won't ask, at least not directly.
3 posted on 07/25/2002 12:46:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Michael2001
Right on the money!!!

Is it any wonder that these parasites supported Clinton and continue to support the Democrat party almost exclusively? Is it any wonder that this was the career that came most naturally to Bill and Hillary?

Lawyers are only supposed to preserve the rights and legal protections that a client (host) has coming to him/her, not create a situation that obscures or bypasses their guilt. Helping a criminal, admitted or guilty by reason of evidence, makes you an accessory to the crime in my opinion.

4 posted on 07/25/2002 12:47:10 PM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: RogerFGay
I recently had to deal with a bankruptcy court trustee. What a nightmare. The guy even got nasty with my lawyer.

It was a property jointly owned that was the problem. We finally managed to make a deal but I was forced to stop and settle. For a mere 13 grand he was willing to sue me and drag me to court for an adverse proceeding.

Funny thing is that the only remaining asset left of the debtor was the half equity in this house. Which basically was just enough to pay the court fees, the trustee fees, the lawyer fees, the accountant fees to settle the debtors estate..ect.

The creditors never got a cent.

So basically this TRUSTEE ( wrong name for these cretin lawyers) fought me for his paycheck.<p

5 posted on 07/25/2002 12:48:01 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: Michael2001
"There's no way on earth I could represent someone I knew to be guilty, and there's no way I would pervert the Constitution to justify that."

And if every lawyer acts in that fashion, there's no way that "someone" could find a lawyer and exercise his Constitutional rights under Article 6. Therefore, charge dismissed.

6 posted on 07/25/2002 12:54:21 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: SpinyNorman
Helping a criminal, admitted or guilty by reason of evidence, makes you an accessory to the crime in my opinion.

I should clarify that: I mean that helping a criminal avoid the punishement they are due, particularly with regard to child molesters (pedophilia is currently incurable), should be considered criminal in itself. Obviously, acting as a client's counsel would not in itself be construed as "helping" per se, but actively and knowingly acting to help the client (host) avoid justice should be condemned.

7 posted on 07/25/2002 12:57:38 PM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: Dog Gone
What if the lawyer doesn't know whether the client is guilty? Most lawyers won't ask, at least not directly.

Sorry, Dog, but, in most cases, they know, no matter what their client says. That's why there are so many pleadings.

O'Reilly's got a point: OJ Simpson is guilty as hell of two murders, and the scumbag Johnny Cochran used race to prejudice a jury. And Cochran KNEW he was guilty.

Criminal defense attorneys are quickly joining their brethren in the class-action category as the bottom-feeders of society.

8 posted on 07/25/2002 1:00:53 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Dog Gone
What if the lawyer doesn't know whether the client is guilty? Most lawyers won't ask, at least not directly.

Sorry, Dog, but, in most cases, they know, no matter what their client says. That's why there are so many pleadings.

O'Reilly's got a point: OJ Simpson is guilty as hell of two murders, and the scumbag Johnny Cochran used race to prejudice a jury. And Cochran KNEW he was guilty.

Criminal defense attorneys are quickly joining their brethren in the class-action category as the bottom-feeders of society.

9 posted on 07/25/2002 1:00:53 PM PDT by sinkspur
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And your plan to protect the innocent?

Uh...the truth?

10 posted on 07/25/2002 1:03:54 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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Uh...the truth?

OK. From now on we'll just tell the criminals to tell the truth. After that, we'll know that everyone who pleads innocent must be.
11 posted on 07/25/2002 1:08:21 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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12 posted on 07/25/2002 1:12:17 PM PDT by Consort
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To: alisasny
So basically this TRUSTEE ( wrong name for these cretin lawyers) fought me for his paycheck.

Yep.
13 posted on 07/25/2002 1:13:52 PM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
OK. From now on we'll just tell the criminals to tell the truth. After that, we'll know that everyone who pleads innocent must be.

Pay attention, will you?

Your question was, "And your plan to protect the innocent?" Not "And your plan to protect the criminals who lie about being innocent?"

14 posted on 07/25/2002 1:14:51 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: OBAFGKM
O'Reilly wrote: "You know, we often make decisions in this life. There's no way on earth I could represent someone I knew to be guilty, and there's no way I would pervert the Constitution to justify that."

It's a choice. What would you do?

15 posted on 07/25/2002 1:27:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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Dismiss the charges, I suppose. If he can't have counsel, then he can't be tried in a U.S. court. Says so in the Constitution.

What would you do?

16 posted on 07/25/2002 1:30:36 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: Dog Gone
What if the lawyer doesn't know whether the client is guilty? Most lawyers won't ask, at least not directly.

Approximately 90% of all defendants who appear in court are guilty of the crime for which they are accused. Every lawyer in America knows this.

18 posted on 07/25/2002 1:32:29 PM PDT by jpl
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To: sinkspur
There's no way I could defend a guilty client, other than in trying to plea bargain the case. I suppose that's why I didn't go into criminal defense law.

From a purely theoretical standpoint, even a guilty person is entitled under our system to force the prosecution to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. If the prosecution can't do it, then the defendant is not guilty, regardless of the fact that he committed the crime.

Since that is the case, the accused is entitled to a vigorous defense, which includes attacking the credibility of prosecution witnesses. That's the way it is, and it's not completely fair to attack the lawyers who are doing the job they are hired to do.

There is one bit of consolation to all this. It is a big gamble for the guilty person to demand a trial. If he is found guilty, he will almost certainly get a much tougher sentence than if he had plea bargained.

Most ethical defense attorneys will advise their client of that fact, which is one reason that 99% of clients plead guilty without a trial.

19 posted on 07/25/2002 1:35:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Michael2001
The Truth should be the ultimate objective for both prosecution and defense. Perversion of the Constitution, indeed.
20 posted on 07/25/2002 1:37:41 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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