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Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend
Traditional Values Coalition ^ | 7/30/02 | Traditional Values Coalition

Posted on 07/29/2002 12:16:04 PM PDT by Polycarp



Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend

Date: Monday, July 29 @ 15:01:42 EDT
Topic: Homosexual Agenda


Washington, DC – Urban Legends are extremely difficult to stop once they’ve reached the email circuit or the Internet. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC), for example, still receives thousands of petitions each year from Christians who have been told that Madalyn Murray O’Hair is trying to get all Christian programming removed from TV and radio. Mrs. O’Hair has been dead for many years now, but the petitions continue to reach the FCC from alarmed Christians.

Lou Sheldon
By Rev. Louis P. Sheldon
Chairman,
Traditional Values Coalition

Emails and the Internet contribute to the spread of urban legends, but these information sources are also useful in helping us dispel urban legends. Traditional Values Coalition has recently launched its own urban legend site to debunk misinformation spread by homosexual activist organizations about the nature and prevalence of homosexuality in our culture. Our Homosexual Urban Legend site has just added a new legend that needs to be debunked: The claim that homosexuals are “born gay” and that homosexuality is fixed and unchangeable from birth.

The “Born Gay” urban legend is actually being exposed as false by homosexual researchers themselves. Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, notes that homosexuality is not “purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay.” Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who attempted to find a genetic basis for homosexuality by examining the differences in the hypothalamus between “homosexual” and “heterosexual” males, has written: “I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.”

Therapists who treat men and women struggling with same-sex attractions say that there are several consistent factors that contribute to the emergence of homosexuality: gender confusion in childhood, a failure to internalize maleness, and sexual abuse by a same-sex predator. Dr. Gregory Dickson, whose doctoral thesis is on the relationship between a mother and son in the development of homosexuality, found that 49% of the homosexuals he surveyed said they had been molested, compared to less than 2% of heterosexuals. Other research confirms what therapists have known for decades: Homosexuals are made, not born. And they are frequently “made” by older men who molest them as youngsters.

CLICK HERE Counselor Dr. Robert Hicks, author of The Masculine Journey has some sobering thoughts on the real origins of homosexual attractions: “…In counseling gay men for twenty years, I have not had one yet whom I would say had a normative childhood or normative adolescent development in the sexual arena. More often than not I have found stories of abusive, alcoholic, or absent (physically and emotionally) fathers; stories of incest or first experiences of sex forced upon them by older brothers, neighborhood men, or even friends. I sometimes find these men have been early exposure to pornography….” It is worth repeating: Homosexuals are made, not born.

This may not be good news to hardened homosexual activists who continue to engage in life-threatening behaviors. It should be good news to those men and women who struggle with same-sex attractions but who wish to lead normal lives. Organizations like Exodus International and the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality are available to help free these individuals from same-sex attractions and a sexual behavior that can ultimately kill them.

Christians who oppose homosexuality are frequently accused of being unloving, but there is nothing more loving than helping a person to become free of a life-controlling and self-destructive behavior. How many more patches will be added to the AIDS Quilt before someone says enough is enough: Homosexuality kills.





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To: Always Right
are = aren't
81 posted on 07/29/2002 2:54:23 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: lentulusgracchus
Ping
82 posted on 07/29/2002 2:54:42 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: MoscowMike
and I do think that homosexuals would get a lot more tolerance from society if they were themselves more tolerant of the definition of normalcy

I think you're right, MoscowMike. Don't tell everyone and everyone's children that homosexuality is 'normal' (It isn't.) or that it's 'healthy' (It isn't.). Don't try to get near people's children and influence them in ways parents don't want you to. Don't try to get access in close quarters to people's children (as in the Catholic Church, and as they try to do in Boy Scouts). Don't try to teach gay ideology to parents' kids in school. If all that happened (It won't.), most people would be fine with live-and-let-live.

83 posted on 07/29/2002 2:57:12 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: toupsie
Here I think is where things get interesting.....

If there is a "gay gene" and it can be identified then women (couples) will be able to learn in utero the future proclivities of their unborn child. If they decide that they do not want a gay child they can then exercise their "right to choose" and abort. (This is NOT an endorsement of abortion...it is a statement based on current legal reality). Within a generation the numbers of gays in America would drop significantly...putting them on the endangerd species list.

How long do you think it would take for the gay-left to declare this sort of abortion as discriminatory...and therefore illegal? The left would be painted into a beautiful lose/lose corner. If an unborn "gay" has rights that we must protect then the whole argument for the woman's "right" to chose, that is that the unborn are not people yet, collapses. Where do the NOW people put themselves? How does the next Dem Senatorial or Presidential candidate keep them both happy?

The beast will devour itself.

84 posted on 07/29/2002 3:03:24 PM PDT by wtc911
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To: MAWG; yendu bwam
"... kids are being taught explicitly about homosexual sex practices (including anal sex). This has occurred in our public schools..."

Documentation here

85 posted on 07/29/2002 3:06:15 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: uncbob
"What always amazed me about homosexuals especially in the movies is how they could play love scenes with women ( Rock Hudson etc )"

It always seemed to me that certain actors, among them Rock Hudson, Raymond Burr, and Cary Grant behaved slightly strangely around women characters in their films and t.v. shows and were oddly unconvincing in love scenes, if any. This was long before I ever even heard rumors about those actors. Now, I know why they were unconvincing.

86 posted on 07/29/2002 3:07:02 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: MoscowMike
Actually Normal deviancy from the norm is not some word play, but a legitimate statistical concept.

For example, the average height for men is 5'9".
That means guys who are 7 feet tall is a normal deviancy from the norm, as are thoses who are 4'6". Because based on a normal destribution curve you will always have some who deviate from the norm in the extremes. But that these deviancies exist is not unexpected or unnatural.

Born or made, I don't think it makes a difference. As long as they keep it private I don't think it's anybody else's business.
87 posted on 07/29/2002 3:08:30 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: mille99
The argument over whether it's nurture versus nature accomplishes nothing. I believe there probably is a genetic component associated with male gayness but of course that's probably a matter of degrees given how that's expressed. There are bisexuals for example that have no problem switch hitting. Is that genetic or environmentally induced? I don't think it matters. The reason it seems to matter is because the argument is made that since one is born that way it's normal and hence the clincher of the argument, the behavior must be acceptable as normal. I think there's probably a genetic predisposition for pedophilia but no one is arguing that it should be an acceptable alternative lifestyle, but give it time. Alcoholism probably involves a similar predisposition but I don't see members of DAMM(drunks against mad mothers) attempting to get lanes set aside on the freeway for their use only. I had a sister who brought forth the proposition that homosexuality couldn't be inborn because then it would have to be accepted as normal. Of course she was often known for such non-sequitars. What Gay activists want us to do is commit similar non-sequitars. And, by any measure they seem to have been quite successful!
88 posted on 07/29/2002 3:08:58 PM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: OBAFGKM
Hmm. Perhaps Rock Hudson was not bothered playing a heterosexual love scene because he was secure in his sexuality.

Well then I guess all the rest of the Homosexuals that aren't problemed by playing love scenes with the opposite sex can sign up for the lead parts if Holywood ever decides to do a Bestiality flick since they are so secure with their sexuality
90 posted on 07/29/2002 3:10:09 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: madg
Attractions (such as sexual orientation), on the other hand, can be exclusively involuntary. I understand what you are saying and you make a good distinction; however, attractions, like tastes, can be developed through exposure and experience. Serial murderers were not born that way nor were they probably born with the "attraction" to murder. They probably had certain genetic tendencies that made them more susceptible. Add to that negative life experiences and you have yourself a murderer.

I know that's an extreme example. I am just saying that "attraction" can develop. As far as being "voluntary," I couldn't say. It very well may not be all that voluntary. I cannot identify with it enough to form any judgement whatsoever on that.

91 posted on 07/29/2002 3:10:27 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: mille99
Your comparison of inter-racial heterosexual relationships to relationships where men stick their sexual organs in another mans anus is offensive. The notion that inter-racial marriage is as deviant as homosexual sex is laughable. Why don't you flag some black freepers and see what they think of your warped comparision.
92 posted on 07/29/2002 3:11:23 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: RAT Patrol
Do we know what causes lying?...promiscuity?...addiction?...selfishness? or positives like diligence?...honesty?...monogomy?... on and on and on we could go. All behavior is a combination of genetics, environment and choice. That is no excuse, however.

Exactly. The problem with these "bio-robot" explanations is that they are designed with the purpose of giving people an excuse for bad behavior.

93 posted on 07/29/2002 3:17:34 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: madg
I beg to differ, madg. I don't make the case that all homosexuals have these traits - only that many studies I've seen show that many of them do. On the molestation issue, many, many reports and studies and articles I've seen have shown that a very significant percentage of homosexual men were molested as teenagers. (And most are not going to tell you if that was the case.) And it makes sense. If a young man, as his sexuality is developing and cohering, and before he has significant interaction with girls, is coerced or persuaded or enticed into homosexual activity, it would seem likely that that would influence heavily his further sexual behavior. Neural pathways are set down. Beahavioral patterns are established. And again, I've known some 8 or 9 homosexual men in my life reasonably well, and they all had serious issues with their fathers. Three I know were molested as teenagers.
94 posted on 07/29/2002 3:25:52 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Polycarp
I can agree with what you said about some men who sound effeminate, but have a wife and kids. We had a couple of high school teachers who fit this description. They had feminine mannerisms, and a feminine way of talking, but were married men with children. There was never any scandal about them and their male students.

Now I realize that some will be in the closet about it, especially since they were in that high school 26 yrs. ago. Coming out of the closet simply wasn't done! If they were gay, most people didn't know about it! There were also female teachers who talked tough, and were scarier than these two male teachers were. We had a female gym teacher who sounded like an old drill sergeant she had a gravely voice! She didn't look masculine, not particularly. But this lady was married with about 5 or 6 kids!

I've had a few teachers who I suspect could have been gay, but I never would have asked anyone about it, even out of curiosity. I didn't know if one of them could be a family member, or aquaintence, it might get back to them, and they would be insulted. They wore plain, almost masculine clothes. Their hair was very, very short, and their voices sounded deep. But at the same time, I've seen women that looked very feminine, sounded feminine, and were known, or suspected lesbians; so you never know!
95 posted on 07/29/2002 3:26:15 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: RAT Patrol
I know that's an extreme example. I am just saying that "attraction" can develop.

I agree.

96 posted on 07/29/2002 3:26:57 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Truthsearcher
Howdy

I understand the concepts of probabilities and statistics, but you misappy them.

We do not have a gaussian distribution of sexual orientation with everyone distributed between greater degrees of heterosexuality and greater degrees of homosexuality.

If this were the case your position might have some merit, if this were the case everyone with 51% of their sexual liasons occurring with members of the opposite sex and 49% of their sexual activity occurring with members of the same sex, or were sexual preferences differentiated in this fashion, then the liberal attitude on homosexuality would be representative of the human condition.

But that is wrong, there is not a continuum of sexual preference, or to be scientifically accurate, no evidence exists to substantiate your theoretical construct.

There are people who are not defective in their sexual orientation, and there are people who are defective in their sexuality.

There are people who are normal, and those who are deviant.

97 posted on 07/29/2002 3:27:33 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: Truthsearcher
As long as they keep it private I don't think it's anybody else's business.

Agreed, but a huge number of homosexuals do anything but.

98 posted on 07/29/2002 3:29:18 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Polycarp
Then again there’s always the homosexual by choice who wrote this. Biology my ass! It can’t anecdotal because if you’re born that way.
99 posted on 07/29/2002 3:39:36 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: yendu bwam
Mouth... thin upper lip, large distance between nose and lip
Hips...very narrow hips.
100 posted on 07/29/2002 3:40:01 PM PDT by Vinnie
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