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FAA says it had 11 other suspect planes on Sept. 11
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Posted on 08/12/2002 12:50:43 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
And how many terrorists lost their nerve? Were any plans aborted due to take-off delays?
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posted on
08/12/2002 12:53:51 PM PDT
by
Shermy
To: Sub-Driver
Airports became jammed with the unexpected aircraft, yet there were no mishaps, he said. This actually says alot about the efficency and skill of the air traffic controllers in this country.
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posted on
08/12/2002 12:53:51 PM PDT
by
jae471
To: Shermy
We will never know. {:-{
To: Shermy
There was an article on FR a few weeks ago about a plane that was scheduled to take off from Dallas/Fort-Worth that had four Arabs on board. The take-off was delayed for a few minutes for normal delay reasons, but it was enough to keep it grounded (It was scheduled for a 9ish EST take-off.) The article said that the Arabs quickly left the plane and were never found.
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posted on
08/12/2002 12:57:10 PM PDT
by
jae471
To: Sub-Driver
I've often wondered about this, and if any of those grounded planes "might have been". I recall a news story from that week, of a west-bound plane that I think landed in St. Louis and five guys disembarked, never to be seen again.
Does anyone else know what happened with any of these stories?
To: ElkGroveDan
I've been waiting and waiting for news about other planes. I also remember talk on that day about other planes and middle eastern passengers disembarking. But I don't know any more than the little bit I remember. I'd bet money that there were a handful more, and being called back to land is what stopped them.
Remember the two guys on the train in Texas that day? There WAS a little hinting around that THEY might have been in another hijacked plane that was recalled. And of course, the feds just let them go.
To: ElkGroveDan
Does anyone else know what happened with any of these stories?I've always believed that we got off lucky on Sept. 11.
The terrorists signed their own death warrants as well as those of Saddam Hussein and militant Islam.
Ask any arab or muslim "if good defeats evil" and then tell them to wait a few years. They might want to reconsider their religious affiliations!!
To: ElkGroveDan
I've often wondered about this, and if any of those grounded planes "might have been". I recall a news story from that week, of a west-bound plane that I think landed in St. Louis and five guys disembarked, never to be seen again. I suspect you are thinking of a real episode, but your conclusion is wrong. There was a plane from Boston, I think, that was grounded in St Louis. There were arabs on board but they didn't disappear. They got off the plane and took a train to their destination which I believe was San Antonio, Texas. They were met by police and FBI at their destination (I don't recall how the FBI was alerted to them) and were arrested when a search of their luggage revealed cash and box cutters and hair dye. There were even rumors that they had shaved their body hair.
They were held without charge for many months and eventualy the FBI cleared them of suspicion. They might have been deported afterward, but I don't think there was any link established to any of the hijackers or any terrorists, despite extensive FBI probes of their finances and phone calls, etc.
See Sources: Texas train suspects not tied to attacks for details.
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:11:22 PM PDT
by
clamboat
To: clamboat
Looks like I got some of the details wrong. They weren't Arabs, they were Indian. And they were on a flight out of Newark, NJ, not Boston, MA. And they were never released and are still be helpd on immigration and credit card fraud charges. So the feds didn't "just let them go" at all. They did clear them of involvement with the hijackings or terrorism though.
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:15:49 PM PDT
by
clamboat
To: ElkGroveDan
I remember. They had thousands in cash, fake credit cards, box cutters and hair die. They entered a guilty plea to credit card fraud and will walk shortly.
Same story with Moussaoui's OKC roommate that the FBI and Secret Service connected to the OKC bombing and WTC 1993, Menepta will walk in about 5 months after pleading guilty to a weapons charge.
Same with the Muslim terrorists connected to the murder of Katherine Smith(she was burned alive with gasoline in one of the Muslim's car) in the Memphis drivers license scam, they all plead and were released with time served, except the unlicensed plumber Hammad who had a work pass for the WTC days before 9-11.Hammad said he was there working on the sprinkler system for a non existent company called Denko Mechanical. Interestingly, the FEMA report explaining why the towers collapsed concluded a major factor was that the sprinkler systems were disabled. Go figure.
Hammad's sentencing hearing is this month in Memphis, he has been out on bail, I am sure he will show up so he can be released for time served on bail. He never did explain why he needed a TN license since he already had a drivers license.
Meanwhile I hear Martha Stewart maybe looking at some hard time.
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:22:45 PM PDT
by
honway
To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I've always believed that we got off lucky on Sept. 11.You're not the only one. If I recall correctly, wasn't there (for lack of a better word) "intelligence" which had heard about terrorists planning to hi-jack commercial jets to be used as suicide bombs, but instead of 4 planes the original plan was for about a dozen planes to be the number that the terrorists were shooting for? It would be almost poetic if the one thing that saved the Sears Tower and TransAmerica building was the typical flight delays that everyone who flies frequently often complains about.
I do have to give the air traffic controllers their due for how they were able to get all of those thousands of planes out of the sky and onto the ground as fast as they did, and without any accidents in the process. I wonder how different things might have been if Reagan had not fired all of those air traffic controllers when they went on strike in the 80's.
To: Shermy
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:31:01 PM PDT
by
piasa
To: Orangedog
The original 911 plan seems to have its roots in a foiled plot in the Philippines in which Mohammed Yousef had been involved. Some on FR call it Project Bojinka, named after a company which the terrorists had used for financing, I believe. The Philippines plot called for 12 passenger planes. The terrorists did a test run using an aircraft in the Pacific and ended up killing a Japanese passenger. They didn't carry oput their actual multiplane plot because their plot was discovered by Philippine police while they were searching one of the plotter's apartments during the investigation of another crime.
Singapore Bomb-Plot Suspect Helped Run Terror Firm
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:40:55 PM PDT
by
piasa
To: Sub-Driver
And our pilots are still unarmed. Wonder when the next group of planes will rain down on us? I guess we'll be the International Darwin Arward all time winners!
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:48:47 PM PDT
by
Musket
To: Sub-Driver
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:49:20 PM PDT
by
jae471
To: honway
I had never heard about the sprinkler system being disabled. Is there any theory about how that happened?
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:58:38 PM PDT
by
Aria
To: Aria
I had never heard about the sprinkler system being disabled. Is there any theory about how that happened?An airplane smashed into each tower.
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posted on
08/12/2002 1:59:42 PM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: Musket
And our pilots are still unarmed. Yep, and our Airports still don't profile arab men, and our Borders are still wide open! Go figure...Blackbird.
To: Orangedog
I do have to give the air traffic controllers their due for how they were able to get all of those thousands of planes out of the sky and onto the ground as fast as they did, and without any accidents in the process. I wonder how different things might have been if Reagan had not fired all of those air traffic controllers when they went on strike in the 80's.Reagan was right in canning them. Some government jobs just shouldn't be strike-sensitive. Imagine if PATCO has triumphed and Sept. 11th was in the middle of an ATC system strike, with management personnel operating the ATC system. Disaster would have been an understatement.
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