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How Liberals Win The Talk Show Wars
http://www.toogoodreports.com ^ | Tuesday, August 13, 2002 | Allan C. Stover

Posted on 08/13/2002 7:25:19 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

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To: Young Werther
When I say sloppy, I mean that it is a turn-off to sit there wanting to hear an answer, only to have someone interrupt the guest. Conservative hosts do it as well, only not as blatantly one-sided as liberals. The only way to get a liberal host to be polite is to have him/her interview a liberal guest. However, I have heard some conservative hosts interrupt conservative guests, as well as liberal ones. It makes me want to yell for them to shut up and let them finish.

Donahue conducts his interviews in the same manner as his old talk show; he introduces a topic, asks a question of someone with whom he disagrees, and will change the subject in the middle of the person's reply. He is also very smarmy when he interrupts. He would be better off just to come out and say he doesn't think the person's opinion is worth anything.

41 posted on 08/13/2002 9:12:29 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: dalereed
You have 3 choices in life and can change your mind which one of the 3 you want to follow at any time. #1 Bust your ass and make something of yourself. #2 Indenture yourself to a #1 for your basic necessities. #3 Lay down in the street and die.

It's amazing how well that parallels my own favorite slogan: "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way".

Whenever progress (of any sort) is impeded, it's almost always due to people who won't lead, won't follow, and won't get the hell out of the way.

43 posted on 08/13/2002 9:20:17 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: guitfiddlist
I wish I could argue with liberals as well as you do. I get too mad & blow up early on & then I stomp off. I know the right things to say but I can't get them out.
44 posted on 08/13/2002 9:24:26 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: RLK
The American public has been raised on nearly 40 years of being presented with psychotics on TV as entertainment and social commentary/activism, going back to the Abbie Hoffman Bill Kunsler days of the 60s, and recent generations have internalized the mode of thinking.

Right on the money, RLK. Let's consider the political talk shows: Hannity & Colmes, Bill O'Reilly, Crossfire, The McLaughlin Group.....(pretty much name your show). Most (if not all) of them relies on crazed, loud, emotional content to attact viewers. Long gone are the days of Buckley's Firing Line, where people discussed the important issues of the day rationally, sanely, and politely.

45 posted on 08/13/2002 9:39:24 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Great article and all too true. Another thing the libs do is to spout off a list of lies and distortions in a filibuster. The conservative will usually pick one lie to debate, leaving the impression to those viewers who are less informed that the rest of the lies and distortions must be the truth.

And conservatives are usually more polite debaters and hesitate to talk over or try to out-shout their liberal opponents. To a liberal, whoever shouts the loudest, wins.

46 posted on 08/13/2002 10:11:46 PM PDT by bjcintennessee
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To: Jack-A-Roe
The last TV news anchor of any depth or integrity was Howard K. Smith. He retired 30 years ago. I have to ask what people such as Margaret Carlson and Eleanor Clift are doing editing magazines or on talk shows. They more properly belong in mental institutions. We live in an age of insult television where rating are achieved by antagonizing the public. We now have people in their 30s who have grown up in it and have adopted the mentality. They consider mature intelligence a strange form of disease.
47 posted on 08/13/2002 10:25:57 PM PDT by RLK
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To: edger
Didn't God tell us to be wise as serpents, and gentle as doves?
48 posted on 08/13/2002 10:35:24 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Didn't God tell us to be wise as serpents, and gentle as doves?

Yes he did i had forgotten that which i had learned so many years ago thanx for jogging an old brain into working again

49 posted on 08/14/2002 3:17:03 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Paul Atreides
Yes that is Donahue's shtick. In fact I'm sure he doesn't really care about any intelligent discussion of a particular subject. The conservative opponent is there to be a sock puppet or a stooge for Donahue's rantings about the evilness of conservatives and/or Republicans and to promote the particular liberal "crisis" issue of the moment. Donahue is the worst by far. But other liberals aren't much better. They know that to attract viewers, great theater is needed. And since many women fall for the emotional "I care, and you don't" style of liberal debating technique, this approach has worked well for liberals for many years....until recently that is.

My mother, sisters, and in-laws are prime examples of Democrats who react positively to appeals to emotion rather than logic. They have no facts and do no reading on a particular subject. They simply repeat the latest liberal sound-bite. They do not like to have the cold water of hard facts splashed in their faces.

50 posted on 08/14/2002 3:41:52 AM PDT by driftless
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To: SickOfItAll
And we own talk radio and the internet. So that leaves them with what, 10% of the political talk audience?
51 posted on 08/14/2002 4:39:43 AM PDT by gitmo
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To: Bernard Marx
This report leaves out one of the most important liberal "debating" tactics. They interrupt incessantly when conservatives are talking, disrupting the flow of thought. But if anyone tries the same thing on them they have a snotty retort at the ready. Conservatives, being considerate, usually yield.

Indeed. Another excellent point. The conservative's manners are used against him/her. What I do when a DemoRat tries this, is to block out what they almost frantically throw out to interrupt me, and maintain a continuous stream of thought and logic to end up with a punch line that sticks it right in their craw. It buffs their brain. They usually forget all their silly protestations and interruptions since their usually is no coherence to what they were yapping out during the development of my argument.

But I don't stop there, I give them a quarter note beat to let my hopefully devastating conclusion sink in...(such as "and so any fool can see that Democrats are guilty in spades of all the things they accuse Republicans of")..then I nuke them as sanctimonious hypocrites.

The key point is to maintain a strong sense of internal rhythm and trust that they are NOT cooperative fair play debaters. Don't give them a chance to pot shot at you. And take the fight to the wasteland of THEIR backyard.

52 posted on 08/14/2002 5:37:59 AM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: Paul Atreides
I think we're in agreement. Wanna fight about it?
53 posted on 08/14/2002 7:17:53 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: RLK
Analyze him in front of millions while he whines and rages in indignation.
54 posted on 08/15/2002 1:38:47 PM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Mortimer Snavely
Analyze him in front of millions while he whines and rages in indignation.

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I'd never be able to get a word in over his bellowing. If things didn't go his way, the mike would be cut off and the tape would be edited.

I might begin the discussion by talking about how Mr. Sensitivity left a wife and kids to play around and end up with the stupid loud-mouthed slut he's taken up with. The program would be cut off and if he took physical measures I'd put him in a wheelchair for the remainder of his life.

55 posted on 08/15/2002 8:30:37 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Paul Atreides
Not to mention him quoting parts of the thoroughly discredited David Brock. Those are Ann's words BTW.
56 posted on 08/15/2002 8:35:56 PM PDT by Lx
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Am inclined to agree.
57 posted on 08/15/2002 8:47:51 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Selara
You're exactly right. A couple longtime friends of mine are old style democrats from way back when. During the election fiasco last year they wanted to talk.

They started the same thing -- rapid fire about 20 different points, and then when I tried to respond, they cut me off, interrupted, and so on, over and over.

I patiently explained to them that complex issues can't always be reduced to 10 second sound bites, and that if they wished to debate, if they really did want to talk, then they would have to follow some sort of rules that we can all agree on -- I explained that "you have the floor" for example, means that they can talk, without interruption to address the issue at hand, and I would have the same courtesy in turn.

"Liberals" today will not stand for reasoned debate, just censorship, and failing that, shouting down, ad hominem attacks or other juvenile behavior. That anyone takes them seriously today is frankly scary and a reflection of how far our values as a society have slipped.

That's one beef I have with the talk shows -- they let the guests yell and scream and interrupt. Sickening.

58 posted on 08/15/2002 8:53:14 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: 88keys
Good article!

Especially the section "Keep The Argument Emotional" . That's why "Victimology" is such a religion for Liberals. This is never more obvious than during the pathetic Weepathons that the Dems stage every 4th summer (also called "National Conventions") in front of their adoring, weepy sycophants (also known as "TV Journalists").

I got a good chuckle yesterday at an article in the local paper that quoted an emotional Democrat who was accusing his opponent in the local primary of unfairly running an "emotional campaign". Well, like, DUHHH!

In our heavily Republican county, there are many races with no Democrap challengers, and in fact there was only a single contested Demo primary this year (5 or 6 on the GOP side, though). So the Dem powers-that-be in this county were quite naturally unenthused when contemplating the considerable amount of work and overhead required to conduct a county primary just for one single race.

So they called the 2 candidates into the proverbial Smoke Filled Room to flip a coin to decide the anointed one, with each candidate promising to abide by the result. The coin was flipped and the Demo woman lost to the Demo man.

Well, it turns out the woman broke her promise and ran in the primary anyway. Both of course claimed the right to sit on the Holy Altar Of Victimhood. He was the victim of her broken promise, and she was the Victim of despicable back room power brokers who tricked her into agreeing to the coin toss! The bottom line? She did a much better job of portraying an abused victim than he did, so she won the primary.

What a crock! How pathetic! How Democrat! Highly entertaining yet pathetic.

59 posted on 08/15/2002 11:27:41 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: nutmeg
bttt
60 posted on 08/24/2002 7:54:36 PM PDT by nutmeg
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