Fox lobbies Davis to approve immigrant driver license bill

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 8/23/02 | Associated Press

[Tancredo Fan]

Fox lobbies Davis to approve immigrant driver license bill

ASSOCIATED PRESS

August 23, 2002

MEXICO CITY ­ Mexican President Vicente Fox spoke by phone to Gov. Gray Davis yesterday, urging him to approve a law that would allow immigrants to apply for driver licenses in the state.

The law, known as the Cedillo bill after its sponsor, Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, would allow an immigrant applying for citizenship or permanent residency to obtain a driver license.

It was approved by the Legislature and put on Davis' desk just after Sept. 11. The Assembly's chief clerk, E. Dotson Wilson, then pulled the bill, saying it was sent to him by mistake.

"President Fox reiterated the importance that the Mexican government and Mexican residents of California attach to the initiative," the president's office said in a statement.

"Given the importance of a driver's license for thousands of Mexicans in California, President Fox and Gov. Davis agreed to work together to find a way for the measure to be implemented as soon as possible," the statement said.

[Tancredo Fan]

Fox ought to concentrate on fixing his own wretched country rather than trying to dump his unskilled invading hordes off on his neighbors. This is outrageous. War ought to be declared on Mexico.

[Tancredo Fan]

An outraged PING!

[Zathras]

Someone should tell Fox to get out his checkbook...

[NEWwoman]

War ought to be declared on Mexico.

Mexico has already covertly declared war on us. They are silently invading us and replacing our culture and language and draining our resources. They are doing this without guns, but with our own willing politicians and other special interest groups.

[3AngelaD]

What is even more outrageous about this is the loud, offended screams that come from Mexico if the U.S. even suggests a change in their country's domestic policy. Suddenly they're a sovereign nation and we have no right to opine, let alone attempt to influence Mexican government's decisions. The Mexican consuls in cities such as Houston, LA, Phoenix and Chicago are notorious for meddling in U.S. domestic politics and policy -- a no no in any diplomatic situation. They definitely need slapping down. They think because we've let them reoccupy the southwest that they have a say in our laws and culture. Time to hit back.

[Black Agnes]

Gah!

[The Vast Right Wing]

Note to Presidente Fox, You can't lobby Gov. Davis he requires cold hard cash. Donate 1,000,000$ to his campaign and he will gladly do anything you want.

[Weimdog]

I think it's time to tell them to mind their own friggin' business...

http://www.consulmexsacramento.com/

Freep away!

[B4Ranch]

Without guns? Have you checked the Hispanic prison population lately?

I don't think the Park Ranger who died was killed in Arizona would agree "without guns" is appropriate.

[madfly]

ping

[Sabertooth]

Mexican President Vicente Fox spoke by phone to Gov. Gray Davis yesterday, urging him to approve a law that would allow immigrants to apply for driver licenses in the state.

Too bad we Californians don't have the kind of access to Governor Davis that Presidente Fox does.

[usadave]

The time has come for the United States military to invade and occupy Mexico and to set up a modern, efficient, 21st century type of government to replace the corrupt, elitist 19th century type of government that currently exists in Mexico. What is needed is a Marshall Plan for Mexico.

[meenie]

There seems to be a little conflict of law here. The motor voter bill enables all licensed drivers to be registered to vote. Grayout will have to work this out or there will be a challenge to his election.

[NEWwoman]

I don't think the Park Ranger who died was killed in Arizona would agree "without guns" is appropriate.

You're right. I was thinking more on the line of a conventional army overtly declaring war and invading.

[OXENinFLA]

GREAT!!! link here is my short and sweet e-mail.

"How about trying to pay for your own insted of milking money, that you think you deserve from the AMERICAN TAX PAYER!!!! Thank you."

[DoughtyOne]

I don't think it would take US dollars to wake Mexico up economicly. Their own government is the major roadblock to progress.

IMO If corruption couldn't be removed from the system, all the money in the world wouldn't raise the standards of living for the average Mexican.

[Marine Inspector]

IMO If corruption couldn't be removed from the system, all the money in the world wouldn't raise the standards of living for the average Mexican.

Exactly. Fox and his government are the problem and while Fox is better than what they had before, it is not much better.

[hgro]

Fox isn't foxxy enough to get any traction with this crap.

Every illegal, Mexican or other, needed to be herded up and sent back to Mexico that helped them get into our country.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the comments. I agree. And I might add, while Fox makes all sorts of demands on our nation, I see none from our leadership directed at Fox that seek to move Mexico into the 21st century.

Fox's ham handed tactics have gone unopposed. Why is that? Do we have to sell out our complete set of ideals in order to facilitate some magical, mostly illusionary, relationship?

[PBRSTREETGANG]

I have so utterly had it with this pissant Fox that I am likely to vote for the first person that finally puts him in his place.

[Marine Inspector]

Personally, I think Bush and Fox have some side deals going.

[Tacis]

Don't understand the issue. Immigrants can and do apply for and obtain driver's licenses! It is the illegal criminals who break into our country and steal our resources who are not allowed to obtain the rights and priveleges of those who are here legally. Maybe Fox is taking some of the drugs that his military trucks across the border for the Mexican drug lords who are the true rulers of Mexico.

[DoughtyOne]

It certainly makes you wonder doesn't it.

[grania]

The law, known as the Cedillo bill after its sponsor, Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, would allow an immigrant applying for citizenship or permanent residency to obtain a driver license

I don't understand this issue. Wouldn't that driver's license be de facto citizenship if it didn't identify the bearer as a citizen of another country? Couldn't they go to another state and get jobs, loans, and housing and no one would know they weren't citizens? Wouldn't it make becoming a citizen less important? Seems like what you could end up with is some corrupt DMV people handing these licenses out to whomever they wanted.

Come to think of it, does a person have to speak and read English to get a US driver's license? If not, why not?

I would hope any illegals that try to get a license are deported...probably not, huh?

[healey22]

I expect this kind of behavior from criminal DemoRATs, but the Republicans are just as bad of late. There seems to be no end to the pandering of criminals who violate our laws by either party to attain illegal votes for power and not for what is in the best interest of Americans. I am no longer blindly supporting the Republicans, my vote come election day will go to the candidate who openly opposes the massive illegal and legal immigration policy that my children will be literally paying for until they die. So things are not looking to good for the Republicans to keep me voting with them.

Republican U.S. Senate Candidate from Texas Supports Non-Emergency Healthcare for Illegal Aliens

[Tancredo Fan]

Fox isn't foxxy enough to get any traction with this crap.

This guy is the Duke of Leech. This sponge ought to be trying to suck up to some other corrupt nation. similar to his own. It's a good thing that the American public can't get their hands on this menace.

Every illegal, Mexican or other, needed to be herded up and sent back to Mexico that helped them get into our country.

Well said. Let's get to it.... after we close down all those Mexican invasion stations (consulates) and boot those vile fifth-columnist employees out of here.

[Travis McGee]

bttt

[kstewskis]

BTTT!!!

And while we're at it, let's get the proverbial can of RAID and spray out these parasites.

[PRND21]

War ought to be declared on Mexico.

Your drum is wearing out.

[PRND21]

...replace the corrupt, elitist 19th century type of government that currently exists in Mexico.

Why not worry about our corrupt elitist 18th century gubermint?

[InvisibleChurch]

it's odd to see the president of a country trying to get rid of his own citizenry...maybe fox ought to be at work making mexico a decent place to get a job

[bok]

Your state is a trend setter and the nation as a whole depends on the border states to protect the nation's borders. We are truly a lost nation the way some people think about this issue. Oh don't worry about the illegals and how dare you speak about these harmless undocumented people, they're just making a wage and sending it back home to mexico and every other country.

[FreedomFriend]

You think the invasion has been bad up until this point, imagine how much larger it will get when illegals are given drivers licenses.

Given that the illegal invasion in California and much of the country has come from our neighbor to the south, and being the Mexicans are considered "Hispanic", I think that it is only fair to show general graphic displays of the invasion.

For the following pictures, you will need to know what each color represents. Thus, here is the key.

1990
Beige 0.0%-16.6% Hispanic
Yellow 16.7%-33.2% Hispanic
Green-Yellow- 33.4%-53.0% Hispanic
Olive Green- 53.3%-75.2% Hispanic
Forest Green- 75.5%-100.0% Hispanic

2000
Beige 0.0%-18.5% Hispanic
Yellow 18.6%-36.2% Hispanic
Green-Yellow 36.3%-55.6% Hispanic
Olive Green 55.7%-76.4% Hispanic
Forest Green 76.4%-98.4% Hispanic

Check out the size and scope of the invasion as it has manifested itself over the years in the LA area, and compare each LA area from 1990 to 2000.

LA Central 1990


LA Central 2000


LA East 1990


LA East 2000


LA Southeast 1990


LA Southeast 2000


LA North 1990


LA North 2000


LA West/Far West 1990


LA West/Far West 2000



Given that the numbers are slightly differentiating, the contrast between 1990 and 2000 is somewhat weakened. However, despite the number variation, the contrasts can clearly be seen.

[FreedomFriend]

the contrasts can clearly be seen

That should have read, "the contrast can clearly be seen".

[FreedomFriend]

One more thing to note. Look how not only has the percentage changed and spread from 1990 to 2000, but you can tell that the population has exploded in many areas, as the size of many census tracts are significantly smaller. Thus, that means that the invasion has spread, as well as has been huge in numbers.

[FreedomFriend]

Thus, that means that the invasion has spread, as well as has been huge in numbers.

That should have read, "Thus, that means that the invasion has spread, and that it has been huge in numbers".

[gunnedah]

I havent seen the stats but will bet you the same tendancy applies throughout the rural south and southwest today.The mexican population is being brought in to do the farm day labor because Americans themselves will no longer apparently do it and you can call it what you wish but it is slavery being perpetuated all over again.In the coming years the Mexican population will be the same as your African- American population is today.
African-Americans have a complaint but is should be with those who became wealthy off of their labor,white indentured servants were treated better than them but not much.Most of the white indentured servants were never really freed and given what they were promised or contracted for.They always had to do their buying and dealings with the so called companies that brought them here and in the long run they were taken advantage of just as the black population. This is all a class issue regardless of what most people think and it still goes on today but the average white has his head buried so deep in the sand he doesnt see it.This also is a reason you have your Jesse Jacksons,Farakans and the like.American corporations dont mind paying them because they keep their people in line so to speak.The black leaders play the game the same way the white ones do and that is why it is to their advantage to keep the majority of the population un-educated.These things are class issues and race is used to inflame and divide and to keep the truth from coming out.

[flamefront]

How did you get those maps? (Some do not show up.) I went to http://factfinder.census.gov/

BTW recall that the 1990 and 2000 had differing definitions of what 'hispanic' included which has lead to a bias toward an overemphasis people identifying as hispanic when they did not in 1990.

[robertpaulsen]

Yeah, it sounds like they're jumping the gun. We could end up with a wave of immigrants applying for citizenship, getting a driver's license, voting, and never becoming a citizen.

You want to work here? Get a work visa for a set period of time, pay taxes on your earnings, then go home at the end of your visa and take your newborns with you. You want a drivers license? Use your own. That's what I do when I travel to a foreign country.

What in the heck is the big problem here?

[Texas Mom]

Drivers license.. motor voter. Hummmm the dems just might like this.

[grania]

Assemblyman Gil Cedillo, would allow an immigrant applying for citizenship or permanent residency to obtain a driver license

What the heck is "permanent residency" anyway? If someone is going to be here permanently, shouldn't they be citizens? If they can't be citizens, shouldn't there be a date when they go home? Is just another way around the laws?

I ask you, TF, because you seem to have more information about this outrageous stuff than anyone else.

But, please, if anyone knows about this, fill us in.

[Thommas]

This is indeed the crux of the matter. Any illegal who "applies" for citizenship will automatically head for the DMV and acquire not only the Driver's License but, thanks to the Evilcrats, a voter registration card. This means not just thousands of new votes for the vile DemocRATS, but millions.

I'll never forget one recent, hot afternoon standing in line for some DMV transaction when I noticed the rather large group of immigrant's standing in line for Licenses. What made the group stand out was the foreign language chatter eminating and the louder voice of an interpreter trying to quell the hubub. Into this mix arose the English voice of a woman accompanying the interpreter who was having her instructions relayed to the dozen applicants. The gist of the instructions was to find the voter registration form, put down one's name, use a supplied address, and check the box registering one as a "Democrat."

Methinks we have lost the war.

[Tancredo Fan]

"..these harmless undocumented people.."

That's right. They just come here to do the work Americans won't do....like this.

They wouldn't hurt a fly.

(The border should be land mined, really.)

[FreedomFriend]

Sheesh. They may have a time limit on links. Hang on.

[Tancredo Fan]

Was this photo taken inside a roach motel? LOL!

[Texas_Jarhead]

I hope there comes a day when politicans who legislate against their own people in favor of illegal activities and illegal immigrants will be held accountable.

[Jennikins]

The time has come for the United States military to invade and occupy Mexico and to set up a modern, efficient, 21st century type of government to replace the corrupt, elitist 19th century type of government that currently exists in Mexico. What is needed is a Marshall Plan for Mexico.

I think we already have a Marshall Plan in place for them here in California. Everything is paid for and provided for them. The costs are socked to us in the form of ever increasing taxes and bond measures.

Mr. Bush is implementing a plan that has been in process since his his daddy said the words " New World Order" and "the thousand points of light" on the evening news. It did sound foreboding at the time, and it has come to pass.

[Jennikins]

Thommas, sadly I agree, We HAVE lost the war.

[Lion's Cub]

Mr. Bush is implementing a plan that has been in process since his his daddy said the words " New World Order" and "the thousand points of light" on the evening news. It did sound foreboding at the time, and it has come to pass.

You are correct, except you need to broaden out the players a bit. The dims are just as culpable. The US was ursuped by the aristocracy right under our noses and sold out by the ruling class for promises of increasing power in the one-world government. The entire Senate is a closed aristocracy now, and the House is rapidly becoming one. The betrayal of America has seeped down into the governorships and is rapidly consolidating at the local levels.