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Excercise Jump-Starts response to attacks (NORAD response to 9/11, debunks conspiracy theories)
Aviation Week and Space Technology ^ | June 3, 2002 | William B. Scott

Posted on 08/27/2002 7:13:30 PM PDT by zapiks44

Aviation Week & Space Technology: June 3, 2002

Exercise Jump-Starts Response to Attacks

WILLIAM B. SCOTT/ROME, N.Y., HERNDON, VA., and COLORADO SPRINGS

On-the-fly innovation, backed by excellent training, 'probably saved many lives' when terrorists struck the U.S.

Sept. 11, 2001: "American 11 heavy, Boston Center. Your transponder appears to be inoperative. Please recycle. . . . American 11 heavy, how do you read Boston Center? Over.

Air National Guard F-15s from Otis ANGB, Mass., scrambled in response to the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11. They flew supersonically to New York, then intercepted about 100 aircraft during the next 5.5 hr.

"Watch supervisor, I have a possible hijack of American 11 heavy. Recommend notifying Norad."

At 8:40 a.m. EDT, Tech. Sgt. Jeremy W. Powell of North American Aerospace Defense Command's (Norad) Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) in Rome, N.Y., took the first call from Boston Center. He notified NEADS commander Col. Robert K. Marr, Jr., of a possible hijacked airliner, American Airlines Flight 11.

"Part of the exercise?" the colonel wondered. No; this is a real-world event, he was told. Several days into a semiannual exercise known as Vigilant Guardian, NEADS was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab."

In retrospect, the exercise would prove to be a serendipitous enabler of a rapid military response to terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. Senior officers involved in Vigilant Guardian were manning Norad command centers throughout the U.S. and Canada, available to make immediate decisions.

Marr ordered two F-15 fighters sitting alert at Otis Air National Guard (ANG) Base, Mass., to "battle stations." "The fighters were cocked and loaded, and even had extra gas on board," he recalled.

SCOTT GWILT/ROME SENTINEL Relying on "skin-paint" radar returns, Air National Guard troops at Norad's Northeast Air Defense Sector tried to locate hijacked aircraft after terrorists silenced the transponders.

Marr called Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold, commander of the Continental U.S. Norad Region (Conar), at Tyndall AFB, Fla., told him about the suspected hijacked aircraft and suggested interceptors be scrambled. Arnold, who also heads the 1st Air Force for Air Combat Command, was in his Air Operations Center preparing for another day of the exercise.

"I told him to scramble; we'll get clearances later," Arnold said. His instincts to act first and get permission later were typical of U.S. and Canadian commanders that day. On Sept. 11, the normal scramble-approval procedure was for an FAA official to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and request Pentagon air support. Someone in the NMCC would call Norad's command center and ask about availability of aircraft, then seek approval from the Defense Secretary--Donald H. Rumsfeld--to launch fighters.

Lt. Col. Timothy (Duff) Duffy, a 102 Fighter Wing (FW) F-15 pilot at Otis ANGB, had already heard about the suspected hijacking, thanks to a phone call from the FAA's Boston Approach Control. He had the call transferred to the unit's command post, grabbed Maj. Daniel (Nasty)Nash, his wingman, and started suiting up. Another officer told Duffy, "This looks like the real thing."

"Halfway to the jets, we got 'battle stations,' and I briefed Nasty on the information I had about the American Airlines flight," Duffy said. "About 4-5 min. later, we got the scramble order and took off."

Also an airline pilot, Duffy had a bad feeling about the suspected hijacking; something didn't feel right. Consequently, he jammed the F-15's throttles into afterburner and the two-ship formation devoured the 153 mi. to New York City at supersonic speeds. "It just seemed wrong. I just wanted to get there. I was in full-blower all the way," he said.

Unknown to Duffy, Nash and every commander being notified at the time, American Flight 11 had crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) about the time both F-15s were taking off. America's terrorist nightmare had begun.

Almost simultaneous with Marr's call to Arnold at Conar, the same hijack notification was being passed by phone to a Norad command center deep inside Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado Springs, and the joint FAA/ Defense Dept. Air Traffic Services Cell (ATSC) colocated with the FAA's ATC System Command Center in Herndon, Va. (AW&ST Dec. 17, 2001, p. 96).

"NEADS instantly ordered the scramble, then called me to get Cinc [Norad commander-in-chief] approval for it," said Capt. Michael H. Jellinek, a Canadian Forces (Navy) officer serving as Norad command director that morning. He's also director of plans, requirements and readiness at Norad's Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Station. Fortunately, Maj. Gen. Eric A. Findley, another Canadian and Norad's director of operations, was already in the mountain for the Vigilant Guardian exercise. He quickly approved the fighters' launch.

Back at the NEADS Operations Center, identification technicians were sorting thousands of green dots on their radar scopes, looking for American Flight 11. Since terrorists had turned off the Boeing 767's transponder, FAA controllers could only tell NEADS technicians where the flight had last been seen. The NEADS radar screens showed "primary" or "skin-paint" returns, the raw radar pulses reflected from an aircraft's surface.

Ironically, FAA officials only a few months earlier had tried to dispense with "primary" radars altogether, opting to rely solely on transponder returns as a way to save money. Norad had emphatically rejected the proposal. Still, on Sept. 11, Norad's radars were spread around the periphery of the U.S., looking outward for potential invaders. Inside U.S. borders, very few radars were feeding NEADS scopes.

In essence, technicians were half-blind, trying to separate hijacked airliners from thousands of skin-paint returns. At the time, more than 4,000 aircraft were airborne over the nation, most in the northeast sector, which monitors half a million square miles of airspace.

"We were trying to determine which [radar return] was him. But we couldn't get what we needed just from our scopes," said MSgt. Maureen Dooley, a noncommissioned officer in charge (NCOIC) of NEADS' identification technicians. She and other troops were constantly on the phone with the FAA, airlines and others, looking for clues. "If we could get good last-known-positions and tail numbers, that would help the fighters pick out the right aircraft."

"The biggest task was maintaining track continuity," echoed Tech. Sgt. Jeffrey Lamarche, NCOIC of the air surveillance section. Later, his team thought they had spotted a fifth hijacked aircraft. "This fifth guy made an abrupt turn toward a major city--but it was OK. He was told to land there. It sure had our hearts going and adrenaline pumping. We didn't know what he was doing."

Marr capsulized the tense moments: "The NEADS battle managers get the last known location, estimate [Flight AA11's] speed and find a green dot that's not identified. Almost as soon as it's discovered, it disappears. It's 8:46 a.m. A shocked airman rushes from the computer maintenance room saying, 'CNN is reporting that the World Trade Center has been hit by an airliner.' There are no other missing aircraft. As we watch the TV, another airliner shows up on the screen, aimed for the second tower [9:02 a.m.]. The shocking reality becomes apparent. This is no longer 'an accident.' New York City is under attack."

Flying supersonically, the F-15s were still 8 min. from Manhattan when United Airlines Flight 175 smashed into the WTC's south tower. "Huntress," the NEADS weapons control center, had told Duffy his hijacked target was over John F. Kennedy International Airport. He hadn't heard about the United aircraft yet.

"The second time I asked for bogey dope [location of AA11], Huntress told me the second aircraft had just hit the WTC. I was shocked . . . and I looked up to see the towers burning," Duffy said. He asked for clarification of their mission, but was met with considerable confusion.

In Norad's command center, "a bunch of things started happening at once," Jellinek said. "We initiated an Air Threat Conference [call]. We were getting information about other possible hijackings." Telephone links were established with the NMCC, Canada's equivalent command center, Strategic Command, theater Cincs and federal emergency-response agencies. At one time or another, President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld and key military officers were heard on the open line.

Confusion was rampant, but officers and enlisted troops immediately reverted to their professional roles, trying to sort rumor from fact. Findley and his senior staff in the Norad Battle Management Center told each air defense sector to "generate, generate, generate" sorties--get as many fighters in the air as possible.

AT THE TIME, NORAD had 20 fighters on armed alert throughout the North American continent. Only 14 were in the continental U.S. at seven bases; the rest were in Alaska and Canada. Within 18 hr., 300 fighters would be on alert at 26 locations.

Calls from fighter units also started pouring into Norad and sector operations centers, asking, "What can we do to help?" At Syracuse, N.Y., an ANG commander told Marr, "Give me 10 min. and I can give you hot guns. Give me 30 min. and I'll have heat-seeker [missiles]. Give me an hour and I can give you slammers [Amraams]."

Marr replied, "I want it all." NEADS controllers put F-16s at Langley AFB, Va., on battle-stations alert at 9:09 a.m., prepared to back up the F-15s over New York. But the FAA command center then reported 11 aircraft either not in communication with FAA facilities, or flying unexpected routes. At 9:24, the Langley-based alert F-16s were scrambled and airborne in 6 min., headed for Washington.

By 9:26 a.m., the FAA command center stopped all departures nationwide. At 9:41, American Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, elevating tension levels even further. NEADS' Sr. Airman Stacia Rountree, an identification technician, said, "We had three aircraft down and the possibility of others hijacked. We had to think outside the box," making up procedures on the fly. Before the day ended, 21 aircraft across the U.S. had been handled as "tracks of interest."

"We didn't know how many more there were. . . . Are there five? Six? The only way we could tell was to implement Scatana--sanitize the airspace. Get everybody down," said Lt. Col. William E. Glover, Jr., chief of Norad's air defense operations.

Gen. Ralph E. Eberhart, Norad commander-in-chief, was in the Cheyenne Mountain battle center by then. He and his staff suggested, via an open command link, implementing a limited version of Scatana--a federal plan designed to take emergency control of all domestic air traffic and navigation aids. Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta immediately concurred and gave the order to get all aircraft on the ground as soon as possible. That action probably saved many lives, but without unnecessary, paralyzing restrictions of a full Scatana order.

Mineta's decision--and the military recommendation that triggered it--may have been prompted by a few airline pilots reporting terrorists on the radio, talking about other hijacked aircraft. American Flight 77 had hit the Pentagon, and United Flight 93 was being tracked, heading for Chicago or Cleveland, then Washington, prompting the F-16s' scramble.

"We had all of our armed fighters in the air, but needed more," Marr said. Every unit in the northeastern U.S. was loading F-16s, F-15s and A-10s with any armament available, then being directed to combat air patrols (CAPs) over major cities. Soon, Navy F/A-18s, F-14s and E-2Cs--some from two carriers steaming off the East Coast--were flying CAP and surveillance missions over major cities. Ultimately, Navy P-3s and USAF/ ANG C-130s would be pressed into service, using their normal radars to search for intruders.

At Norad, Glover phoned Arnold, telling him Vice President Cheney had given the authorization to shoot down any threatening aircraft in order to save lives on the ground. "We created a free-fire zone over the nation's capital," Arnold said. "Anyone airborne who did not immediately turn away from the center of town, or who did not land, could be shot down."

When someone--possibly President Bush--ordered the military to a Force Protection Condition Delta wartime posture, Norad commanders ordered massive steel doors be closed, "shutting down Cheyenne Mountain for real," the first time in its 43-year history, an officer said. The FBI had warned that a flight originating in San Diego might be hijacked and headed for a target in Colorado. Another rumor referred to a Ryder rental truck full of explosives and driven by "Arab-looking men" targeting the mountain.

"It didn't make sense, but those phone calls were happening," Glover said. Every rumor was treated as a potential threat.

OVER NEW YORK, Duffy and Nash requested that a Maine-based ANG KC-135 tanker--assigned to support 102 FW training missions that morning--be positioned at 20,000 ft. above Kennedy airport. "Then, we worked on intercepting and visually identifying nearly everything that was in the air for the next five hours," Duffy said.

"I treated this as a combat hop from the moment I saw the towers burning, and that made it easier to deal with . . . actions we might have to take," he added.

Duffy estimated the F-15s intercepted and escorted about 100 aircraft, including emergency, military and news helicopters, plus dozens of private pilots who were unaware of the attacks. Some had seen the smoke over New York and decided to investigate. Nash said the F-15s flew "low-and-slow" to intercept helicopters flying at 500 ft.

When the KC-135 exhausted its fuel load and had to depart, a KC-10 arrived to support the F-15s. Another two Eagles from Otis ANGB joined the first two, flying CAP over New York. Duffy and Nash were directly over the north WTC tower when it collapsed. When they finally returned to Otis, they had been on CAP about 5.5 hr.

Above Washington, F-16s flown by crews of the 119th FW from Fargo, N.D.--which had been pulling Norad alert duty at Langley AFB--were prepared to shoot down United 93, if it came toward the capital city. Instead, passengers rushed the terrorists, causing the Boeing 757 to crash in southwestern Pennsylvania.

MAJ. PHILIP J. MCCARTHY, a weapons controller at NEADS, located an AWACS crew in the southeastern U.S. on a training mission and arranged to reposition it in the Northeast. "We wanted D.C. as the primary area for AWACS, but also wanted him to look into New York," he said. In the confusion of the all-aircraft-grounding, someone told the AWACS to go back to Tinker AFB, Okla., its home base, but McCarthy was able to convince the crew to stay.

At the Herndon ATSC, Col. John Czabaranek and a growing staff of USAF Reserves--many reported, unasked, to help with the crisis--had become a critical communications node, shuttling information among the FAA, Norad, air defense sectors, the White House, Secret Service and other agencies. During the day, ATSC helped organize fighter escorts for Bush's Air Force One. The President was in Sarasota, Fla., when the attacks occurred, but was quickly taken to Barksdale AFB, La., then to Offutt AFB, Neb.

At one point, the Secret Service wanted to get Bush into Cheyenne Mountain, protected by tons of granite, yet well-connected to his staff. However, advisers convinced him that he should "remain visible to the public," an officer said.

"We received tasking from the Secret Service . . . to follow the President and protect him," Conar commander Arnold said in Lockheed Martin's Code One magazine. "We were not told where Air Force One was going. We were told just to follow the President. We scrambled available airplanes from Tyndall and then from Ellington [AFB] near Houston, Tex. . . . We maintained AWACS overhead the whole route."

Late in the day, after NEADS confirmed a suspected hijacked airliner from Madrid, Spain, had turned around and was on the ground, Air Force One was cleared to return Bush to Washington. NEADS and the Herndon cell also organized fighter escorts for Attorney General John Ashcroft and other national leaders when deemed necessary.

WHILE ALL MILITARY units responded quickly and professionally on Sept. 11, "citizen soldiers" were typically first on the scene. Air National Guard and Reserve units were called initially, simply because many of them were easier to contact without going through a long, tortuous chain of command. Since then, outmoded procedures have been altered to ensure faster reactions from all units.

"The responsiveness of the Air National Guard [and other] units called into action--and how quickly they all came to the defense of the United States--was phenomenal," said Col. Clark F. Speicher, NEADS vice commander. "Within a couple of hours, many of these units went from normal training to generating armed combat air patrols over many U.S. cities. There may have been a lot of different [armament] configurations out there, but so what." Fighters typically carried Aim-9, Aim-7 or Amraam missiles, and 20-mm. ammunition.

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I found this article while looking through some blogs. I thought it was very insightful. I looked for it after reading an article in this months Vanity Fair about a 9/11 widow who says the defense department could've been able to shoot them down. She came across as very naive to me. She seemed to think that in the push of a button we could destroy or neutralize the hijacked plane threat. My dad works for Lockheed, and says it's not nearly that simple.

First, the jet pilots need to know where their target is. As this article points out, the hijackers turned off the transponder, so the pilots only knew where the plane was last seen.

Secondly, it is not policy that any hijacked airplane should just be shot down right away. That would be a truly barbaric and even state-sponsered-terrorism polcy. At first, we had no idea if this plane was going to crash or where it was going to crash. The jets' intention was to bring the plane down, and, as a last resort, shoot it down.

Finally, she thinks that our intelligence department had to have heard something about this. For all its bluster, no intelligence agency is perfect (Even the KGB had several double agents, as did our CIA). As the bin Laden tape showed, the hijackers themselves didn't know what their target would be or when they would hit them until the morning of the 11th. Therefore, it could be said that it's impossible that the hijackers ever boasted what they were going to do, where, and when before 9/11.

Another thing she said that was interesting, though, is that while Bush was in the Florida classroom, after Andy Card told him of the second plane striking the towers (in that famous photo), Bush remained in classroom speaking with the children for about the next half-hour until leaving. Anyone know whether this is true or not?

1 posted on 08/27/2002 7:13:31 PM PDT by zapiks44
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To: zapiks44
To the best of my recollection, Bush left a few moments after being informed about what was going on in NY. He left pretty quickly. I'm sure the Secret Service was anxious to get him in the air and away from any possible danger, and the Secret Service are responsible for Bush's movements that day. (Remember how some of the duller lights in Congress just about said that he was running scared?)
2 posted on 08/27/2002 7:28:17 PM PDT by thegreatbeast
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To: zapiks44
No, I think he left right after and someone else finished the speech/presentation. It was very quick, as far as I can remember.
3 posted on 08/27/2002 7:30:44 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: zapiks44
Thanks for posting this. It shows, in dramatic fashion, how professionally the military responded that day, even though they were reacting on the fly.

Also an airline pilot, Duffy had a bad feeling about the suspected hijacking; something didn't feel right. Consequently, he jammed the F-15's throttles into afterburner and the two-ship formation devoured the 153 mi. to New York City at supersonic speeds. "It just seemed wrong. I just wanted to get there. I was in full-blower all the way," he said.

I can only imagine the heart-throbbing intensity this guy was going through.

4 posted on 08/27/2002 7:35:27 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: zapiks44
>>Bush remained in classroom speaking with the children for about the next half-hour until leaving.<<

Semi-True.

He was notified of the first, and was deeply shocked.
When he was notified of the second he was again deeply shocked. However, he calmly finished his story to the children, got up and left--the reasonable course of action as you do not want the president jumping up and running out of the room.

Bush's face tells it all--no way did we know what was to happen that awful day. No way.
5 posted on 08/27/2002 7:35:43 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: thegreatbeast
Also, early on after the attack we were given to believe that our air response to multiple hijackings was woefully late, confused and ineffective. Is this an attempt to color the picture more favorably?
6 posted on 08/27/2002 7:42:33 PM PDT by thegreatbeast
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To: zapiks44
Addendum:

There's one part of this article, though, that doesn't make sense to me. It says that F-16s took off from Langley AFB at 9:30 am. I know that Langley AFB is very close, if not a "suburb" of Washington DC. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:41 am. That leaves 11 minutes when there were armed F-16s in the air over Washington. Why did they not shoot the plane down? (Or at least attempt to intercept)

7 posted on 08/27/2002 7:47:26 PM PDT by zapiks44
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To: zapiks44
You bring up four important points:

1) The hijackers knew turning off the transponder was key, as it is vital to air traffic control;

2) The decision to shoot down a civilian aircraft can only be made at the highest level--witness the consequences of incidents such as the July 3, 1988 accidental downing of the Iran airbus by the USS Vincinnes;

3) Indeed there were intelligence hits--but they were as needles in a haystack, individual clues in the thousands analysed daily, compounded by lack of interagency communication;

4) Bush being removed to a place of safety was procedure for the Secret Service who feared an Attack on Principal--part of any orchestrated attack--and the destination of Flight 93 may have been such.

8 posted on 08/27/2002 7:49:17 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: zapiks44
BTTT
9 posted on 08/27/2002 8:05:14 PM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: thegreatbeast
No, I believe this is just presenting a clear picture of what really happened after the emotion of the moment. Remember, I believe it was Peter Jennings who implied that by President Bush not immediately returning to Washington, he was proving how he just didn't measure up to the job.

There has been a pile of emotional hyperbole thrown about regarding this day of attrocity. Now the facts are coming out, and we just don't look as bad as the media and left who have us look. Combine that with the heroism of the folks on Flight 93 and you see why the towelheads have been taking a low profile. They stuck their dick in a fan and found out it was running and the blades weren't soft rubber!

10 posted on 08/27/2002 8:18:16 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: zapiks44
I know that Langley AFB is very close, if not a "suburb" of Washington DC

Nope. Langley is a suburb of DC. Langley AFB is on the southern end of the state, near Norfolk.

11 posted on 08/27/2002 8:19:32 PM PDT by LouD
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To: zapiks44
Nash said the F-15s flew "low-and-slow" to intercept helicopters flying at 500 ft.

I'll bump to that! Wow... imagine the look on the faces of those helicopter pilots!
12 posted on 08/27/2002 8:20:18 PM PDT by adaven
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To: Redleg Duke
Remember, I believe it was Peter Jennings who implied that by President Bush not immediately returning to Washington, he was proving how he just didn't measure up to the job.

Jennings sneered at Bush repeatedly, insinuating cowardice.

It is for such excrescence that Jennings has been told on national television, "No one likes you."

13 posted on 08/27/2002 8:21:44 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: zapiks44
And just where did this little non-sequitur come from???

Another rumor referred to a Ryder rental truck full of explosives and driven by "Arab-looking men" targeting the mountain.

Huh? Was this spliced into the article just to see if anyone's reading, or what???? Beam me freaking up, Scottay!

SAM_PAINE'S ULTIMATE BOLD-FACED PREDICTION: The calls for Bush to "spell out the case for invading Iraq" will be answered with a block-buster revelation that OKC was indeed masterminded by Iraq, but not covered up by Clinton...just "missed."

14 posted on 08/27/2002 8:28:26 PM PDT by sam_paine
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To: zapiks44
Remember too...this military is down sized, under funded, and dismally traiined...thank Klinton for that. relying on ANG and Reserve Forces is a sad mistake (no discredit to them, but look at the indecision and lack of clear reactive authority and control...too many channels, too many echelons and too few trigger pullers to be effective.)

I served 27 years in today's military and saw it become soft, "PC", lose all direction other than career ism, and become a less mighty force than we tend to portray...time for change and some mean ass killer instinct to replace the fat cats and echelons of folks one has to encounter before making a decision to empty a waste basket.

The article says it clearly..."give me an hour"...we will not have an hour next time! "Too few aricraft and personnel" (sic)...wake up America...these enemy lunatics m,ade the statement and mission quite clear...they intend to kill us and destroy our way of life!

Sadly, with a hollow miliyary (as we have now) we are feeding them ample opportunity and ammunition!
15 posted on 08/27/2002 8:29:35 PM PDT by NMFXSTC
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To: zapiks44
It's over 150 miles from Langley to DC (Langley is southeast of Williamsburg, much closer to North Carolina than D.C.

At mach 1, that flight takes over 11 minutes.
16 posted on 08/27/2002 8:31:48 PM PDT by jae471
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To: zapiks44
Great heart-stopping article. Thanks for posting it. In the permenant file for sure.
17 posted on 08/27/2002 8:34:16 PM PDT by fone
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To: jae471
Thanks for clearing that up.
18 posted on 08/27/2002 8:35:57 PM PDT by zapiks44
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To: NMFXSTC
The article says it clearly..."give me an hour"...

That bothered me. Why would it take 30 minutes longer to put AMRAAMs on than Sidewinders?

19 posted on 08/27/2002 8:38:19 PM PDT by jae471
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To: jae471
"Weekend Warriors", my friend...God love 'em, but nothiing replaces the 24/7 active duty military personnel.
20 posted on 08/27/2002 9:21:08 PM PDT by NMFXSTC
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SAM_PAINE'S ULTIMATE BOLD-FACED PREDICTION: The calls for Bush to "spell out the case for invading Iraq" will be answered with a block-buster revelation that OKC was indeed masterminded by Iraq, but not covered up by Clinton...just "missed."

Sam, I've been saying for weeks that the whole disinformation campaign is going to swirl around into an amazing case of "Let's get the bastard".

Bush is still mad, but he's not going to let that get in the way of doing the job right.

Check out my theory on this thread where I seem to have agitated a few America haters...

21 posted on 08/27/2002 9:24:12 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: zapiks44
Nice article. Thanks for posting it.
22 posted on 08/28/2002 1:01:21 AM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: jae471
>>The article says it clearly..."give me an hour"...

That bothered me. Why would it take 30 minutes longer to put AMRAAMs on than Sidewinders?<<

I am sure there are USAF weapons-loaders out there than can answer this, but. . .
AMRAAMs, like all live weapons, are stored in the weapons dump. It takes time to load a weapon on a truck and transport it to the flight line. You do not race with live ammo, especially with a sensitive weapon systems like the AMRAAM, as their internal guidance systems and radar components would be jarred out of whack. (Hi-G flight doesn't bother them because G's are not like dropping and bouncing). In addition, once you up-load the AMRAAM you have to conduct system checks to make sure the darned thing is loaded right and will function. You don’t want an AMRAAM firing off and in dogfight mode, flying for miles and miles and miles (a heck of a lot more miles than an AIM-9), just looking for any target because it’s internal systems were messed up and are not responding to radar feeds from the launch aircraft.

AIM-9's are less complicated and less heavy and easier to move around, load, and system check. They also have a much shorter range.

The fact that the USAF was willing to load live weapons and start CAP's without going through the usual dick-dance approval process says a lot about individual initiative.

Imagine the confusion, the "we don't know exactly what is going on" environment, and yet, the USAF was working hard and fast to respond WITHOUT the usual paperwork approvals and ponderous executive decisions. Just try and get any state or federal bureaucrat (FBI, for example) to do something out of regs--won't happen.

Our nation was under attack and the services responded wonderfully, demonstrating courage to act as necessary.
23 posted on 08/28/2002 7:55:05 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2
I think of it as the equivalent of the sailors and sodiers at Pearl Harbor who used any means neccesary to break into the weapons and ammo lockers within 5 moinutes of the Japnese attack.
They didn't need the orders, they needed the .50 ammo and got it.
24 posted on 08/28/2002 4:37:19 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: rmlew
You got that right.
25 posted on 08/28/2002 5:28:02 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: zapiks44
Sorry, your info is incorrect. Langley AFB is located outside Newport News, Va, some 200 odd miles away from DC. You are perhaps thinking of the city of Langley, Va, where the CIA headquarters is located...

the infowarrior

26 posted on 08/29/2002 12:09:11 AM PDT by infowarrior
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To: LouD
Yes it is located next to Hampton Va. just about do east (8 miles as the bird flies) of historic Williamsburg. Which would make it about 165 miles too DC.
27 posted on 08/29/2002 7:38:35 AM PDT by cav68
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To: NMFXSTC
"Weekend Warriors", my friend...God love 'em, but nothiing replaces the 24/7 active duty military personnel.

Actually the article says outright that the Reserve and Guard units responded faster than the active ones, and were less bogged down by regulations (can you say, "CYA," the golden objective of today's officers and NCOs?)

Since the 1960s most of the burden of continental air defence has been carried by the Air National Guard. Clinton was a disaster for the military, but in this particular case he, and the Guard, are innocent.

It takes longer to load missiles than guns because of (1) differing storage requirements and (2) more complex load/handling procedures. And that difference is the same regardless of how many days a year the crewmen serve on duty. When the officer quoted the responce times of The Boys from Syracuse (as they were known pre-PC), he was actually praising them.

By the way, it takes a Russian air defence unit longer to load missiles than guns,and longer to load radar-guided missiles than simple heat-seekers. And I guarantee that they can't upload and launch planes in 10, 30 and 60 minutes for guns, heat-seekers, and radar-homing missiles.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

28 posted on 08/31/2002 7:23:05 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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