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(The Horrors of the new) Oregon Gas laws!
Capitalist Chicks DOT COM ^ | FR Post 9-5-2 | Debbie Brannigan

Posted on 09/05/2002 12:34:41 PM PDT by vannrox

Oregon Gas laws

Debbie Brannigan (Email Author)

I spent most of my life in a suburb of Detroit, MI: the Motor City of America. I've been pumping my own gas for 20+ years now. Imagine my surprise when I went to work in Portland, OR and attempted to fill my own gas tank, only to be told by the 'trained fueling operator' that it was against the law for me to fill my own gas tank. I was not "qualified" to handle class1 flammable liquids!! I thought it was a joke but it’s true. There is a fine of up to $500 if I am caught trying to perform the 'fueling operation' on my own.

ORS 480.315-320

Yep, ORS 480.315-320, that's the one. Check it out on the Oregon State government website: www.leg.state.or.us

The following is taken directly from the text of ORS 480.330:

"An owner, operator or employee of a filling station service station, garage, or other dispensary where class 1 flammable liquids are dispensed at retail may not permit any person other than the owner, operator or employee to use or manipulate any pump, hose, pipe or other device for dispensing the liquids into the fuel tank of a motor vehicle or other retail container."

ORS 480.385, Civil penalty for dispensing law violation:
Civil penalty shall become due and payable 10 days after order: up to $500.

There are 17 declarations listed which try to rationalize this completely irrational law. Too many to list in this writing but here are some of my personal favorites:

ORS480.315

1) The dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids by dispensers properly trained in appropriate safety procedures reduces fire hazards directly associated with the dispensing of Class 1 flammable liquids.

7) Exposure to toxic fumes represents a health hazard to customers dispensing Class 1 flammable liquids.

10a) The significantly higher prices typically charged for full-service fuel dispensing in states where self service is permitted at retail discriminates against customers with lower incomes, who are under greater economic pressure to subject themselves to the inconvenience and hazards of self-service.

11) The increased use of self-service at retail in other states has contributed to diminishing the availability of automotive repair facilities at gasoline stations.

14) Self service dispensing at retail contributes to unemployment, particularly among young people.

And, last but not least.....we can't forget about 'the children':

17) Small children left unattended when customers leave to make payment at self service stations creates a dangerous situation.

No, I'm not kidding: those are all for real. Can Big Brother's elitist agenda be any clearer?

Declaration 7 states that exposure to fumes presents a health risk to customers but what about the 'qualified fuel dispensing operator'? There are no masks, no special procedures and no form of protection from these fumes for the attendant. There is nothing this 'qualified' person does any differently than I would. Exposure to fumes for them is OK, I guess. Why can't I do this myself again?

Declaration 10a is by far the most outrageous: "high prices of full service discriminate against low income customers who are subjected to the inconvenience and hazards of self service."

First off, the keyword here is 'convenience'. Convenience is a luxury, not a right. Oregon lawmakers need to learn the difference apparently.

Secondly, it amazes me that Oregon's legislature would even have the nerve to play the "low income discrimination" card in this argument. The state of Oregon has the highest gas prices in all of the contiguous United States thanks to taxes and restrictions imposed upon it's service stations. Oregon not only demands its gas station proprietors hire full time attendants to pump gas but also imposes a 24 cent per gallon “licensing tax” which is due every month of operation. Of course government employees are exempt from paying this additional tax and may file for a refund on the gas they use. Where is the concern for the low income folks now? The poor of Oregon now pay the highest gas prices in the entire country! Rather than cut taxes and lower prices for everyone, the state of OR has decided it's better to impose the highest taxes and charges for all: including the poor. Typical rhetoric. (ref: ORS 319.020 for licensing tax info)

Declarations 11 & 14 claim that self service stations contribute not only to unemployment but also to diminished availability of service stations. This reminds me of a scene from "Anthem" by Ayn Rand. Prometheus presents his great discovery of electricity to the World Council of Scholars. They tell him it would "wreck the plans of the World Council" by wreaking havoc on the current Council of Candles. When government restricts free market evolution, the result can only be stagnation. Can you imagine life if the government had stepped in to halt the 'diminished availability' of blacksmiths, chimney sweeps, milkmen, 8 tracks tapes, rotary phones, etc, etc. If there is market demand for a business it will survive without intervention.

Self-serve gas stations have not led to higher unemployment rates in other states. Most of those stations are equipped with automated electronic pumps and surveilance. More high tech equipment = more high tech maintenance & sales = more high tech jobs. Hmmm. Oregon has the highest gasoline prices in the country. It also has the highest unemployment rate. Oregon lawmakers claim to be passing these laws in an effort to reduce unemployment and help the low income citizens. Obviously, the opposite effect has taken place. Perhaps it is time to rethink the current strategy?

Oh and the best for last!

Declaration 17: small children left alone while paying for gas poses a 'dangerous' situation. Are children all over the country spontaneously combusting at these self serve stations? What are these children doing.....drinking the gasoline when mom's not looking? I could find no data anywhere to support a higher rate of injury to minors at self service stations vs. full serve stations. A vast majority of self serve stations are equipped with pay at the pump service, so you never have to leave the perimeter of your car. If it does not offer this, drive 1/4 mile to one that does. Don't want to do that: take the child inside with you.

It has not been quite a decade since this law was imposed and already the arguments for keeping it intact are " so many people wouldn't know how to pump their own gas now". So here is yet another law fully enforced and completely ridiculous. It is another step up the government ladder of dependancy, where we leave Liberty and Freedom on the ground below.

Let me end this with a fitting quote from Benjamin Franklin: "People who are willing to give up their freedom for securtiy deserve neither"

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1 posted on 09/05/2002 12:34:42 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Places to visit:
Oregon - Another one off the list.
I bet the gas stations in Vancouver WA will be getting a whole lot more Portland residents buying gas there!

Welcome to the Communist Republic of Oregon!

2 posted on 09/05/2002 12:45:45 PM PDT by Johnny Gage
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To: vannrox
Tar and feathers is a viable form of communication.

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-'66

3 posted on 09/05/2002 12:48:11 PM PDT by Boonie Rat
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To: vannrox
I seem to remember from my improvised munitions class in the Army that a 5lbs bag of ordinary household sugar contains more explosive potiential that 5 gallons of gas. Perhaps the next thing we will see is the grocery clerk being "licensed"?
4 posted on 09/05/2002 12:52:02 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: vannrox
Yes, and it’s been that way for at least 25 years too. I think New Jersey also had a similar law once.

But you can’t fault the legislature for the high fuel taxes. The Oregon voters had their hand in that.

When I lived there 15 years ago, the legislature proposed a $0.05/gal tax to pay for road maintenance. It was to be phased in two cents the first year, two cents the second year, and one cent on the third and final year.

It had to pass by 60% of voters to become law, IIRC. It passed. It turns out that it requires 60% vote to become law, but once it becomes law the legislature can extend it unilaterally. They did. I left years ago but I don’t think they ever reached the third and final year of the gas tax phase-in. They just extended it at two cents the third year, another two cents the fourth year, another two cents the fifth year, etc…

There is no sales tax though – at least when I was there, so she should be grateful.

5 posted on 09/05/2002 12:54:08 PM PDT by Who dat?
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To: vannrox
You know, there are a lot more important things than this to get worked up about.

It's actually kinda nice to have somebody pump your gas and clean the windshield.

And gas prices in OR aren't appreciably different from those elsewhere.

BTW, Ms. Brannigan is completely incorrect when she says it has not been quite a decade since this law was imposed.... It's been that way for at least 30 years.

Sounds like those capitalist chicks need to go back and find something important to PMS about.

6 posted on 09/05/2002 12:56:42 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: vannrox
I hate to tell Ms. Brannigan this but, this Gas Law is not new.
In fact, it is at least 30 years old. And just about every year, some group get a referendum put on the ballots to do away with this stupid law, and every year the voters vote it down. Another reason why I no longer live in Oregon.
7 posted on 09/05/2002 12:57:13 PM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money
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To: vannrox
Yea, yea, yea. Politics and all that crap aside, it is nice to have someone pump the gas, clean the windshield, check the oil and tires. It reminds me of the old days when the word "service" in "service station" had meaning.

Last Saturday I cracked up when I saw a bride, in full wedding dress, at a gas station pumping her own gas. Oh, for the good old days, when the winters were milder, summers cooler and everyone I knew, including me, was younger.

8 posted on 09/05/2002 12:57:34 PM PDT by Random Access
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To: vannrox
In Oregon, we don't have to get gasoline on our hands. We don't have to get out of our cars in the rian and snow to go inside and pay the bill. And we don't pay any more for gas than those who do.
9 posted on 09/05/2002 12:58:19 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: vannrox
I think it's the law in New Jersey, too.
10 posted on 09/05/2002 12:59:04 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: vannrox
Do they follow you home and fill your lawn mower for you?
11 posted on 09/05/2002 1:00:34 PM PDT by rwfok
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To: vannrox
I have a friend that owns a gas station along I-5. He absolutely hates Oregonians that come in and get mad because he does not run out and fill up for them. They have to be instructed on how these complicated dispensing devices operate.

Does lack of freedom spawn laziness or vice-versa?

12 posted on 09/05/2002 1:01:08 PM PDT by EricT.
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To: Who dat?
I think New Jersey also had a similar law once.

The law is still in effect in New Jersey.

13 posted on 09/05/2002 1:06:36 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: vannrox
Of course the real question is how much extra tax is Oregon paying to train "fuel dispensing experts"?
14 posted on 09/05/2002 1:12:31 PM PDT by walkingdead
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To: Random Access
In the old days you had the freedom to choose between Self Serve or Full Serve, that's the point.
I travel from Washington to The People's Republic of Fruits and Nuts from time to time and nothing irritates me more than not being able to pump my own gas.
15 posted on 09/05/2002 1:15:48 PM PDT by triggerhappy
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To: vannrox
NJ has a similar law : guess what ?

We pay less for gasoline and get something that ( occasionally ) resembles service !

16 posted on 09/05/2002 1:22:03 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: vannrox
10a) The significantly higher prices typically charged for full-service fuel dispensing in states where self service is permitted at retail discriminates against customers with lower incomes, who are under greater economic pressure to subject themselves to the inconvenience and hazards of self-service.

This is the one that got me. So everyone pays a premium for Full service which hurts the poor more because they have less money and have no choice. Those people in Oregon who put this in place are complete idiots.
17 posted on 09/05/2002 1:29:06 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: triggerhappy
As a resident of Washington, I make sure that everytime I have to drive through Oregon, I do the following:

When southbound on I-5, I gas up in Vancouver, WA.

When northbound on I-5 (coming from California), I just gas up in Yreka.

I get to enjoy the fast service of pumping my own gas, paying at the pump, and scooting on out ASAP, and prices are generally lower.

On the few occasions when I failed to plan well ahead, I had to stop at an Oregon station, and it's always a pain in the butt. One time, there was only one attendant trying to pump gas on 8 stations, and it was busy... the poor fella is running around and he really did a lousy job keeping track of who was first. I had to wait about 10 minutes (no, I'm NOT kidding), but had little choice because I was running on fumes (I was about 10 miles from the Idaho border and thought I could make it... but decided I better not chance it).

I got out of my car, opened the gas tank, had my card ready to pay, even put the pump in my car. But that's all I could do... all the guy had to do was come over and actually pull the handle, lock it in place and then move on... I'd done everything else for him, but squeezing that trigger is the one thing I couldn't do.

Heaven forbid I actually initiate the process that begins the flow of gasoline! I don't know if a swarm of police, or black helicopers, would descend on me... But still, just putting the pump in my tank raised a few eyebrows among the local Oregonians who have been brainwashed the past few years...

It's sad when politicians decide to treat us all like idiots.

And yeah, on a trip in NJ last year, I did the same thing, gassing up in NY and Deleware on my trip through the wonderful "Garden State" (which was odd... looking around, NJ seemed more like the "concrete and asphalt state", but then I was trapped on the NJ turnpike for about 2 hours to go 5 miles).

Curiously, my friends from Oregon seem to have no problem whatsoever pumping their own gas when they go out of state.

18 posted on 09/05/2002 1:38:10 PM PDT by MPB
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To: aimhigh
But can you pull into a gas station, get your gas, and be on your way in less than 60 seconds? Doubt it.
19 posted on 09/05/2002 1:40:07 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: vannrox
Many people in Oregon were put out of work in the 70s when the lumber industry collapsed. The gas law helped them stay employed in their own communities.
20 posted on 09/05/2002 2:05:30 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: vannrox
Yup. Just got back home to Idaho after spending Labor Day weekend in the Baker City, OR area. Extremely annoying and frustrating to pay more for gas and have someone else pump it for me. Waited at 3 gas stations before someone came out to pump the gas. Too bad all that nice scenery is wasted in OR.
21 posted on 09/05/2002 2:34:18 PM PDT by cruiserman
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To: Random Access
No, the law states that they will only pump your gas! It says nothing about the "attendant" washing the windshield, checking the oil, etc. They are usually to busy walking, not running, around to the other cars to fill them up also.

If your in a hurry forget it. I was raised in Washington and was trained earlier on how to pump my own gas. This is nothing but and never has been anything but a JOBS program in the state with the highest unemployment in the US. Unfortunately I had to live in that state from 4/2000 until 6/2002.

Don't forget about the wonderful bottle bill law. You are forced to pay 5 cents deposit on pop and beer. Then the store owner installs return machines. These machines are the "great equalizer" of the masses. They are filthy, sticky, and stink, but ALL must use them to return their empties. It is my opinion that these machines are also rigged to reject a certain number of cans, which enables the store to make a nice extra little profit. The cans must be in pristine condition so the machine can scan the UPC mark, therefore you can't crush them. This then forces a person to dedicate a large portion of their garage to hold the bags of empties before returning them.

And if that is not bad enough, the return machines are programmed to accept all brand name items and only the store brand items. This means that if you buy Safeway brand pop, you can't take it back to Albertsons and vice versa.

I purposely would buy my beverages in Washington and throw them in the trash to the utter horror of my co-workers.

Oregon makes me want to puke!!!
22 posted on 09/05/2002 3:31:12 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: vannrox
(The Horrors of the new) Oregon Gas laws!

It has not been quite a decade since this law was imposed...
Ten years is new?
23 posted on 09/05/2002 3:42:03 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: MPB
If you are filling your tank up in Yreka you are an idiot. The current price in Yreka is $1.85 per gallon. Thirty miles north in Ashland Oregon, the price is $1.43 per gallon. You obviously have more money than brains. I live in Yreka and I buy my gas in Oregon.
24 posted on 09/05/2002 4:37:57 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: vannrox
Coming soon to Oregon...

"Section 1. An owner, operator or employee of a supermarket, grocery store, convenience store or other dispensary where human food consumeables are dispensed at retail may not permit any person other than the owner, operator or employee to use, manipulate or fill any shopping cart, shopping basket, shopping tote bag or other device designed for containment and/or transportation of said human food consumeables.

Section 2. All persons entering the premises of any supermarket, grocery store, convenience store or other dispensary of retail food consumeables, shall, at all times, be in possession of a pacifer, and said pacifer shall be prominently displayed by placement in the mouth of such person. If any person is not in possession of said pacifer they shall be required to suck their thumb, but only if they first receive a one-day exemption pass from said retail establishment before entering said establishment."


25 posted on 09/05/2002 5:03:18 PM PDT by handk
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To: Tax Government
The gas law helped them stay employed in their own communities.

Comunisim or Socialism??

It IS one or the other.


Stay safe; stay armed.


26 posted on 09/05/2002 5:16:04 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: Eaker
50 years ago my uncle pumped with a cigi danglin' from his mouth & a loaded double barrel behind the cash register, never had no trouble.

23 cents/gallon.

27 posted on 09/05/2002 5:35:47 PM PDT by norraad
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To: rwfok
Do they follow you home and fill your lawn mower for you?

A gasoline powered mower in Oregon? LOL.

28 posted on 09/05/2002 8:34:37 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: norraad
You were paying way too much for your gas.

I was paying 13.9 cents a gallon in Los Angeles 50 years ago.
29 posted on 09/05/2002 8:52:51 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: vannrox
Was just down there about a month ago visiting the daughter who attends college there. We pulled up to a gas station and my husband was ready to get out when the daughter shouted "Stop, you are not allowed to pump your own gas."

They are a bunch of nuts in Oregon, but who am I to complain, here in Washington we are not far behind.

30 posted on 09/05/2002 9:07:10 PM PDT by Vicki
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To: dalereed
Your right, that was a 60's price.

But the gas is cleaner now.

A big up modern refinery puts less in the air than a "modern" trash to fuel plant(thanks wacko greenies, oh, your so smart).

31 posted on 09/05/2002 9:31:22 PM PDT by norraad
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To: vannrox
It has been this way for some years now..... what happens when LIB's (ie: RATS) get a hold of a state.
32 posted on 09/05/2002 9:35:35 PM PDT by Phyto Chems
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To: Tax Government
The lumber industry didn't collapse! It was forced from the region by the green logic. I hope those who don't fight the greens and fight to take America back, never again get a REAL JOB. The lunatic left moving towards socialism/communism needs lots of trained fuel dispenser attendants. I left the region because of the left....and am fighting greens currently, in taking back America for REAL AMERICANS.

Screw Oregon's stupid pump law.

33 posted on 09/05/2002 10:11:10 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: vannrox
I guess diesel is not considered a problem here in Oregon if you pump it yourself, as I do it on a regular basis. I moved here from Californicate in 1976 to get away from the idiots around me, traffic, drugs etc. I realize that Oregon has just a big of problem now as Californicate but for the big part it was the the influx of people from Calif that has caused the problems in Oregon. I seen this happen in a small town over run with retired Calif people saying "that's not the way we did it in Californicate". I was born and raised in Calif and sometimes are appalled at some of the things that are going on down there now. I asked a Oregionian once about this gas pumping thing and he said it was originally brought up to the legislature by "some" people from Californicate. I will stay here and pump my own diesel at $1.32 a gallon thank you. Plus I can fill the tank instead of having some young person pull the nozzel out and still have 2 or 3 gallons to go to fill the tank.
34 posted on 09/07/2002 8:14:50 AM PDT by NW Viking
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To: genefromjersey
Ummm... You pay less than neighboring states for gas because NJ has a lower gas tax. You would pay even less for your gas if you had the option of self serve.

I have found during my occasional travels through New Jersey that you do not get any additional services such as windshield cleaning or oil check. (Not that that would be a justification for mandatory full serve even if you did get those services.) In fact you sit around waiting for the one or two attendants servicing 10 cars to get to you. If you want to get faster service, then begin to pump the gas yourself (pretending not to know that it is full serve) and watch the attendant come sprinting over to you yelling that you are not allowed to pump.

35 posted on 09/07/2002 10:23:23 AM PDT by Drop the Vernacular
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To: Drop the Vernacular
....& reply with subtle ex'ass'peration when he pulls the nozzle out o'your hand,

"it's a Derby!"

36 posted on 09/07/2002 3:36:14 PM PDT by norraad
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To: Who dat?

this law was enacted in 1951. I'm trying to find the reasoning behind it. The story is that a careless smoker pumping gas blew up himself & a family in an adjacent car. I lived in the DC metro area for almost 15 years, and was quite adept at pumping my own gas without blowing anything up...


37 posted on 04/13/2005 9:28:51 PM PDT by rudepenguin
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