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Former Michigan Militia Leader's Home Raided
clickondetroit.com WDIV Channel 4 in Detroit ^ | 11/7/2002

Posted on 11/07/2002 6:07:19 AM PST by mostlyundecided

Former Michigan Militia Leader's Home Raided
U.S. Marshals Find Guns, Ammunition Inside
Posted: 8:27 a.m. EST November 7, 2002
Updated: 8:48 a.m. EST November 7, 2002

U.S. Marshals raided the home of a former leader of the Michigan Militia Wednesday night.

Federal authorities went to the Dexter home of Mark Koernke (pictured, left) to serve a warrant for illegal use of radio equipment. Inside they found a stash of guns and ammunition, Local 4 reported.

Koernke is currently in custody on other weapons charges.

Federal authorities believe that weapons they seized Wednesday night belong to Koernke and not his family. He could face new federal firearms charges if the weapons belong to him, the station reported.


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KEYWORDS: federal; firearms; koernke; michigan; militia; raided; seized; weapons
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FYI, I'm not up on weapons laws, what kind of firearms would cause federal charges? Unlicensed? Wonder what he was doing with the radio that was illegal. With free speech it shouldn't be something he said, right?
1 posted on 11/07/2002 6:07:19 AM PST by mostlyundecided
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To: mostlyundecided
I think shortwave broadcast is licensed, so I assume that's what he has. I'm sure some FReeper will clear it up. I assume he's already a felon since he's not allowed to own firearms.
2 posted on 11/07/2002 6:19:43 AM PST by m1911
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To: mostlyundecided
In any case, the unlicensed equipment was just a cover. "After we found the radio, we just happened to notice the firearms in the safe under the floorboard beneath the couch as we were leaving!"
Ok, I don't know what really happened, but a good paranoid fantasy always starts my day out right!
4 posted on 11/07/2002 6:21:55 AM PST by m1911
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To: mostlyundecided
Former Michigan Militia Leader's Home Raided

OK, so now how about raiding the homes of the other militia leaders (Al Qaeda cells and sympathizers) who also live in Michigan (can you say "Dearborn"?)

5 posted on 11/07/2002 6:27:18 AM PST by Salvey
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To: Dan from Michigan
What's the truth up there in Michigan?
6 posted on 11/07/2002 6:31:09 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: m1911
Oh, I see he had a radio and firearms. How Stalinesque.

I can just see the Marshalls riding around in a panel van with a radio direction finder on top, homing in on the State Kriminal.

7 posted on 11/07/2002 6:31:27 AM PST by Justa
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To: Salvey
OK, so now how about raiding the homes of the other militia leaders (Al Qaeda cells and sympathizers) who also live in Michigan (can you say "Dearborn"?)

sorry....racial profiling

8 posted on 11/07/2002 6:32:19 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: mostlyundecided
start raiding mosques and islamic training centers ...thousands of them in the US ...
look under their floorboards....
In Vietnam one of Mr. Charles favorite hiding places ...Pagodas...any place off limits..is a good place to hide stuff...
9 posted on 11/07/2002 6:46:08 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Justa
Typewriter?

Mimeograph?

10 posted on 11/07/2002 6:48:13 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: mostlyundecided
"U.S. Marshals raided the home of a former leader of the Michigan Militia Wednesday night."

If he is a prior felony, then being in posession of firearms would be illegal.

"Inside they found a stash of guns and ammunition"

Just how does the law define the word stash?

Do the firearms and ammo in my Sentinal brand gun safe constitute a "stash"??

I cringe at the use of the words stash and stockpile

Other than that, the article is inconclusive.

11 posted on 11/07/2002 7:04:57 AM PST by aeronca
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To: mostlyundecided
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that certain elements of the American militia movement are linked with Middle Eastern terrorism. (I know little of Mark Koernke or his beliefs.) The anti-Jewish rhetoric of some militia groups, particularly those with white separatist or Anglo-Israel leanings, is very similar to that heard from the militant wing of Islam. Both the white separatist/Anglo-Israel crowd and the Muslim militants see "world Zionism" as their common enemy. There is some evidence that suggests that Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols had connections with Middle Eastern terrorists. Some have speculated that the "John Doe II" seen with McVeigh was a Middle Easterner. As I recall, both McVeigh and Nichols were associated with militia groups in Michigan.

Suppose you were a leader of a Muslim terrotist organization trying to disrupt the United States. Your main native born allies are American blacks who have become Black Muslims. (Given John Muhammed's access to large amounts of cash and frequent travel, I suspect that he was recruited into the network of Middle Eastern terror.) Yet, with the exception of a handful of converts like Jose Padilla or John Walker Lindh, Islam has not significantly penetrated the white and Hispanic communities. The most natural ally for the Middle Eastern terrorists among whites would be disaffected white racists and anti-Semites who are enthralled with conspiracy theories that paint powerful Jewish interests at the center of webs of worldwide intrigue. Their theories are basically the same as those espoused by radical Islam, having the same roots in such late 19th Century works as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. For these white racists to ally with the non-Aryan Arabs is no more contradictory it was for the Nazis to ally with the non-Aryan Japanese.

I am opposed to governmental restrictions on private ownership and possession of firearms and radio equipment. I recognize that the Feds regard the militia groups as the primary enemies of the State and have dealt with them far more harshly than they have with Muslim terrorists, eco-terrorists, or minority group militants. However, this raid on the home of an already imprisoned militia leader may be prompted by legitimate national security concerns.

12 posted on 11/07/2002 7:05:59 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: mostlyundecided
While I don’t know the specifics of this case, I will say that in general it is illegal to operate radio transmitting equipment without a license from the FCC. There are a few limited frequency bands available for unlicensed transmissions, but by and large, most of the spectrum is allocated to licensed users only. Unlicensed users are a source of frequent complaints to the commission, and I suspect that this is what triggered the investigation. E-bay is full of used commercial equipment for sale, all of which is illegal to use on any frequency’s that the owner/operator is not specifically authorized to operate on. Without strict enforcement of these regulations, we run the risk of the entire RF spectrum turning into Citizens Band Channels 1 through 40.

Depending on the service, standards for allowable speech vary widely. The standards for allowed speech are very strict for the Public Service, Amateur, Aeronautical, and Marine Services bands. More lenient standards are inplace for the Broadcast Services and commercial land mobile services. No standards for speech exist for the telecom (Cellular and Cord Less telephone) service, and all speech is allowed. Incidentally, the Citizens Band service was also tightly constrained along these lines, but the commission failed to regulate conduct on these frequencies, and it degraded into Chaos.

13 posted on 11/07/2002 7:11:04 AM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: mostlyundecided
FYI, I'm not up on weapons laws, what kind of firearms would cause federal charges? Unlicensed?
DIRECTLY from the story we have:
Federal authorities went to the Dexter home of Mark Koernke (pictured, left) to serve a warrant for illegal use of radio equipment.
WHY are you bringing up the subject of 'firearms charges'?
16 posted on 11/07/2002 7:55:45 AM PST by _Jim
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To: Fred Mertz
Koernke is the local militia nut ball. A sign along the road in his front yard "advertises" his radio broadcasts. The sign has been there for years - it's no big secret. A couple of summers ago, the cops chased him all over the township because he fit the description of a suspected bank robber, and because his son happened to be near the bank at the time of the robbery. Seems like the cops are always looking for some reason to pick on him.
17 posted on 11/07/2002 8:02:07 AM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: m1911
I think shortwave broadcast is licensed,
ANY transmitting requires meeting rules as set forth in the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations, specifically, the 'FCC rules and regs') and may require proper licensing AND requires the use of 'Type Accepted' equipment.

Many of these 'militia types' have taken to using Amatuer HF radios to do their own 'broadcasting' just above or below the 40 Meter Amatuer band - this band has good propagation characteristics and a minimal antenna (simple dipole) and a 100 Watt radio can achieve surprising results ...

Most of these would-be pirates wanna immitate Alex Jones and his *legal* (although insane) broadcasts on 6890 KHz.

The difference here is - Alex legally purchases his airtime from WWRB ...

18 posted on 11/07/2002 8:04:26 AM PST by _Jim
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To: MrNeutron1962
While I don’t know the specifics of this case, I will say that in general it is illegal to operate radio transmitting equipment without a license from the FCC.

There are two, no, three exceptions:

1) FRS radios - when they meet type acceptance *as* RFS radios

2) CB radios

3) Emergency situations

(This is aside from normal, low-power, Type-accepted, transmitting devices like RC cars and boats, wireless key-locks, etc)

19 posted on 11/07/2002 8:07:44 AM PST by _Jim
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To: aeronca
"Inside they found a stash of guns and ammunition"

A .22 revolver, a 12ga shotgun, and a few boxes of shells.

20 posted on 11/07/2002 8:13:14 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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