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This is why we Homeschool our children
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Posted on 11/14/2002 8:11:46 AM PST by chris_in_nj

NEW YORK — Reading, writing and litigation.

That's the lesson being learned at a growing number of America's public high schools, and it may be shortchanging your teen's education: Parents are now suing teachers and school administrators for failing their children.

"You have students who are failing tests, who are consistently not in class, and instead of experiencing the repercussions of their actions, their parents are suing the school to put them put them back on the cheerleading squad, put them back into school, even though they don't deserve it," the Heritage Foundation's Krista Kafer said.

In Arizona, high school officials allowed a student to graduate after her parents threatened to sue a teacher who failed her for skipping class and substandard test scores.

In Kansas, a teacher was sued for failing a number of students for plagiarism. After receiving no support from the school board, the teacher resigned.

And in Ohio, a student and her mother sued a school district and 11 teachers for $6 million, alleging the school's grading practices unfairly punished the girl for her repeated absences. The case was dismissed, but some say the harm was done.

"Even the threat of a lawsuit can have a chilling effect on a teacher's effectiveness," John Mitchell, deputy director of the American Federation of Teachers, said. "Teachers are the guardians of high standards whether it's academic standards or standards of discipline. So teachers need to be supported as long as they're behaving in a reasonable manner in their jobs."

Educators worry that these suits may force teachers to "dumb down" their curriculum.

And though under state and federal law teachers are protected from most lawsuits, that's not stopping some parents from filing.

"Is that so surprising when we have Americans who see the legal system as a way to make money, to get what they want?" Kafer said. "It's only a matter of time before that filters down to the young and we see this sort of behavior in schools."

Teachers truly are finding themselves between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, they're being told to raise standards by school boards. On the other, parents are asking them not to be too hard on their kids.

In the end, experts say it's the system that suffers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: academialist; educationnews

1 posted on 11/14/2002 8:11:46 AM PST by chris_in_nj
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To: chris_in_nj
What we really need is more pay for our hard-working dedicated teachers, smaller class sizes, and more support for the tolerance curriculum.


</sarcasm>
2 posted on 11/14/2002 8:16:13 AM PST by fishtank
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To: chris_in_nj
Homeschool BTTT.
3 posted on 11/14/2002 8:17:38 AM PST by day10
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To: TxBec; SpookBrat; 2Jedismom
ping
4 posted on 11/14/2002 8:17:47 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: chris_in_nj
Hmmm. Plenty of public school teachers and public school administration are pond scum...this article shows there are plenty of parents of the same mold though. Little Johnny skips school and doesn't study so his grades are low, and the parent sues the teacher/district? sheesh!

As parents we have a responsibility to educate and raise our children how we see fit. That is why we homeschool.

5 posted on 11/14/2002 8:20:34 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: chris_in_nj; *Academia list; *Education News; Home School; First_Salute; ...
indexing

Here are links to various education threads (also containing numerous helpful links)

FReegards

The silence of the lambs: McMillan blasts bureaucrats for destroying public education
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: August 15, 2002; Author: Craige McMillan

Taking Charge: Let's Stop Aiding and Abetting Academicians' Folly
Source: HOME EDUCATION magazine; Published: July-August 2002; Author: Larry and Susan Kaseman

’Open Directory’ --Society/Issues/Education/Education_Reform

Deconstructing Public Education
Source: www.newsmax.com; Published: July 26, 2002; Author: Diane Alden

Specious Science In Our Schools
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: July 9, 2002; Author: Alan Caruba

SYMPOSIUM Q: Is the National Education Association Being Fair to Its Religious Objectors?
Source: INSIGHT magazine; Published: June 10, 2002; Authors NO: Stefan Gleason ////\\\\ YES: Bob Chase

Public Sector Subverting Productive Industry
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: May 16, 2002; Author: Henry Pelifian

History of America's Education Part 2: Noah Webster and Early America
Source: Sierra Times; Published: March 27, 2002; Author: April Shenandoah

How Communist is Public Education?
Source: sierratimes.com; Published:March 22, 2002; Author: Chuck Morse

History of America's Education Part 1: Johnny is in trouble
Source: Sierra Times; Published: March 20, 2002; Author: April Shenandoah

Audit rips Georgia schools' curriculum
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Published: March 11, 2002; Author:JAMES SALZER

Why schools fail: Samuel Blumenfeld warns Bush's education legislation is ineffective
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: March 2, 2002; Author: Samuel Blumenfeld

Public School Isn't Like I Remember It
Source: Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002; Author: Phyllis Schlafly

What Is Lacking In Our Educational System
Source: Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002; Author: Ben Cerruti

The charade of education reform
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: February 2, 2002; Author: Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

American public schools: Working just as designed
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: January 21, 2002; Author: Vox Day

High Schools Fail Thanks To Grade Inflation And Social Promotion
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: December 5, 2001; Author: Vin Suprynowicz

WHY AMERICANS CAN’T READ
Source: Accuracy in Media; Published: December 4, 2001; Author: Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

The Failing Teacher and the Teachers' Code of Silence
Source: CNSNews.com; Published: December 3, 2001; Author: Glenn Sacks

Time for outrage! Linda Bowles reports latest results in America's public schools
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: November 27, 2001; Author: Linda Bowles

Illiterate in Boston: Samuel Blumenfeld explains U.S.'s ongoing reading problem
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: July 20, 2001; Author: Samuel Blumenfeld

NEA - Let our children go!
Source: WorldNet Daily; Published: June 23. 2001; Author: Linda Harvey

COOKING THE BOOKS AT EDUCATION
Source: Accuracy In Media; Published: June 5, 2001; Author: Cliff Kincaid

Why Do Schools Play Games With Students' Minds ?
Source: The Detroit News; Published: April 1, 2001; Author: Thomas Sowell

The Public School Nightmare: Why fix a system designed to destroy individual thought?
Source: http://home.talkcity.com/LibraryDr/patt/homeschl.htm; Author: John Taylor Gatto

Dumbing down teachers
Source: USNews.com; Published: February 21, 2001; Author: John Leo

Free Republic links to education related articles (thread#8)
Source: Free Republic; Published: 3-20-2001; Author: Various

Are children deliberately 'dumbed down' in school? {YES!!!}
Source: World Net Daily; Published: May 13, 2001; Author: Geoff Metcalf {Interview}

Could they really have done it on purpose?
Source: THE LIBERTARIAN; Published: 07/28/2000; Author: Vin Suprynowicz

New Book Explores America's Education Catastrophe
Source: Christian Citizen USA; Published: April 2000; Author: William H. Wild

Deliberately dumbing us down (Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt's, "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America"
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: December 2,1999; Author: Samuel L. Blumenfeld

Deconstructing the Western Mind: Gramscian-Marxist Subversion of Faith and Education
Source: www.petersnet; Published: Winter 1997; Author: Frank Morriss

Littleton Crisis to Government Control

The UN Plan for Your Mental Health


6 posted on 11/14/2002 8:21:37 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: chris_in_nj
Educators worry that these suits may force teachers to "dumb down" their curriculum.

Why don't the public schools just keep the kids home, and MAIL them their diplomas!

It's only a small next step, if absentees can sue for grades.

The parents who support these suits should be declared unfit.

On second thought, No. The parents will be punished when their unemployable offspring live with and off them _forever_.

7 posted on 11/14/2002 8:25:34 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: homeschool mama
What the public schools need is more money. That will fix everything. (More sarcasm)

It's about time people sued the public schools. People have been going to their public schools for DECADES and BEGGING them to simply TEACH THEIR CHILDREN. The schools have turned a deaf ear and said they know better than parents. "We're the experts."

Public schools should all be renamed the HMS TITANIC. They've hit the iceberg, just haven't gone under yet.

8 posted on 11/14/2002 8:26:00 AM PST by Jerrybob
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To: chris_in_nj; newgeezer
Home schooling bump!
9 posted on 11/14/2002 8:27:00 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: homeschool mama
As long as there are lawyers out there to accept cases like this, it will continue to happen.

I am going to get some hot tea from Burger King at lunch today and spill it all over myself and sue them for 100k. I already have found a lawyer in the Yellow Pages that will take the case. /sarcasm

10 posted on 11/14/2002 8:29:40 AM PST by rudypoot
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To: chris_in_nj
read later
11 posted on 11/14/2002 8:29:45 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Jerrybob
bump
12 posted on 11/14/2002 8:30:37 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: rudypoot
naughty naughty :o)
13 posted on 11/14/2002 8:31:17 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: chris_in_nj
Increasingly, home schooling looks like the only option.

It isn't that it is impossible to get a utility-grade education from a public school, IF the parent will be involved in their child's education.

The problem is that you kid will spend most of his time around other kids whose parent(s) is(are) potential Jerry Springer guests. He will learn concepts that young minds are simply not ready for. He will be taught to doubt his sexuality before he even becomes a sexual creature.

And to top it off, you will be allowing a large, self-absorbed bureaucracy into your life and the life of your child.

The morons who can survey the state of public schools and vote for property tax increases (some 2/3rds of the populace) may be irredeemably stupid. New school buildings are becoming architectural masterpieces with every luxury simply because school districts (in Texas) are extremely cash rich.

And even that isn't enough. In the midst of huge revenue windfalls due to massive property value inflation, they are raising tax rates.

Their greed is unchecked and out of control.

I can't do anything about the fools who vote more taxes for themselves to pay for this insanity. But I don't have to put my kid in the middle of it.

14 posted on 11/14/2002 8:38:04 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: chris_in_nj
Two big Democrat supporters, the lawyers and the teachers, eating each other, and the kids are the real victims.

Why isn't it obvious that the only group truly concerned about the education of the children, and not their social programming and feelings, are the big, bad Republicans?

15 posted on 11/14/2002 8:43:30 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: hopespringseternal
Amen!!!
16 posted on 11/14/2002 9:03:34 AM PST by netmilsmom
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Do you have any recommendations of good articles on the anti-intellectualism in schools? I will read all the threads you posted, but that's my main interest, and I'm not sure where to start.
17 posted on 11/14/2002 9:08:31 AM PST by laurav
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To: chris_in_nj
The problem isn't with the idiots who sue it's the idiots who make a judgement in favor of those lawsuits.
18 posted on 11/14/2002 9:09:30 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: chris_in_nj

HSDLA is your lobbyist in Washington reminding the federal government that it has no jurisdiction over home schools and keeping home schooling legal and safe, now and for the future.

19 posted on 11/14/2002 9:23:12 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: chris_in_nj
Educators worry that these suits may force teachers to "dumb down" their curriculum.

HUH? Whuh, huh? Dumbed down? Can they BE anymore dumbed-down?

20 posted on 11/14/2002 9:31:31 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: laurav
Do you have any recommendations of good articles on the anti-intellectualism in schools? I will read all the threads you posted, but that's my main interest, and I'm not sure where to start.

Do a search for John Taylor Gatto and/or Charlotte Iserbyt. That will give you all the info you need.

21 posted on 11/14/2002 9:36:51 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: chris_in_nj
In the end, experts say it's the system that suffers.

You gotta be kidding me.

22 posted on 11/14/2002 9:42:58 AM PST by WriteOn
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To: chris_in_nj
I fear the compulsory, authoritarian, and ineffective public school monopoly on education is the heart of the problem. Whenever people have someone else to hold responsible for their own failings, they will do so -- that is simple human nature. The solution is obvious -- return the full responsibility, including financial, for education to parents and take it away from government.

Democratic government works best when people do things for themselves and their own children -- that is what helps them to become competent, responsible citizens. Churches and other non-profit entities could step in to educate those who are unable to purchase education as they did before state funding of education. We might need tax-funded vouchers for the poorest children on a temporary basis to stimulate the development of more private schools.

We now have over 100 years experience with a mandatory, Government school monopoly and the results are in: it has failed students and society and is responsible for weakening every civic virtue needed for a people to be able to govern themselves. It is time to dump government schools and for citizens to take back this very important activity. Tocqueville wrote about how citizens cooperating to take care of this type of need was the real engine of democratic governance.

23 posted on 11/14/2002 9:43:20 AM PST by politeia
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To: homeschool mama
As parents we have a responsibility to educate and raise our children how we see fit. That is why we homeschool.

Ditto!

24 posted on 11/14/2002 9:48:42 AM PST by cruiserman
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To: laurav
Start with John Holt's books.
25 posted on 11/14/2002 9:50:11 AM PST by cruiserman
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To: laurav
Here's some additional information
Lexington Institute

NonPartisan Action For a Better Redding

Quality of Education Commentary, Opinion, and Book Reviews

I will read all the threads you posted, but that's my main interest, and I'm not sure where to start.
There are HUNDREDS of links (within links) in my reply #6. There are articles that address the anti-intellectualism in schools. The book, "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" (Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt's, is an enormous tome of information on this country's education chaos.

Though I cannot, at the present time, locate my web link for the 'Writings of Robert (Bob) Holland", his articles on education's conditions are recommended. He is now affiliated with the Lexington Institute. It would be worthwhile exercise to do an internet search for his articles.


26 posted on 11/14/2002 9:54:21 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: chris_in_nj
Teachers truly are finding themselves between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, they're being told to raise standards by school boards. On the other, parents are asking them not to be too hard on their kids.

We homeschool, even though hubby has been a public high school teacher for 37 years. He'll be retiring in 2 years, if he can hold out that long. He teaches US and world history. The school district has dumbed down the books over the years like you would not believe. The current world history book devotes 70 pages to anything prior to 1600 and 500 pages for everything after. There are more words devoted to the attire of Louis XIV than there are to the Reformation. The US history book is just as bad. It is called something like The Americans ... From Reconstruction to Today. 10% of the book devoted to Civil War and before; 90% to Reconstruction and forward.

Last year he was in a protracted argument with the administration over the grade EARNED (earned, mind you!!) by one girl in his class. She EARNED a B+, primarily because she turned in a project late because she was on a long weekend skiing trip. Her parents demanded that she be allowed to do extra work to bring her grade up to an A. It was ugly, and in the end, she got her A.

27 posted on 11/14/2002 10:16:48 AM PST by RightField
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To: homeschool mama
Blessings and more blessings upon you and all homeschoolers.
28 posted on 11/14/2002 10:34:15 AM PST by Hila
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To: biblewonk
'Educators worry that these suits may force teachers to "dumb down" their curriculum'

... faster than they otherwise would have.

29 posted on 11/14/2002 11:35:19 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: fishtank
I think we need to divide into two countries, liberal and conservative. We are hopelessly divided and we might as well admit it and move on.
30 posted on 11/14/2002 12:35:16 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Slyfox
You don't really want an answer to that. Some of were actually able to read when we came out.
31 posted on 11/14/2002 2:10:24 PM PST by sparkydragon
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To: Gorzaloon
parents will be punished when their unemployable offspring live with and off them _forever_.

No, they'll do just like their parents and get a check from the government containing money taken at gunpoint from you and I.

32 posted on 11/14/2002 2:15:00 PM PST by MrB
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To: RightField
Funny, I know of something like that that happened to someone I know. She turned in her project a day late, and was told that there were no exceptions, but finally convinced the teacher to grant an exception because she missed more than half the class (and therefore was technically absent) because she slept in late. This was so that she could be in the top 12 of our class.
33 posted on 11/14/2002 2:19:33 PM PST by sparkydragon
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To: sparkydragon
We tried. Now look what's happened.
34 posted on 11/14/2002 2:20:21 PM PST by sparkydragon
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To: chris_in_nj

35 posted on 11/16/2002 7:25:51 AM PST by day10
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To: chris_in_nj
Bump for later...
36 posted on 11/17/2002 9:18:54 PM PST by multitaskmom
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