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I Have a Bone To Pick with GW Bush

Posted on 11/14/2002 3:44:40 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March

William Safire's editorial today is heating up an important debate. There are two camps: "This is war." vs. "This is Orwellian." I want to open a third camp. "This is ridiculous."

Our borders are wide open. Terrorists could blindside us at will. The foreign threats are much greater than the domestic threats in this war of terrorism. So naturally, we do NOTHING about that. Instead, we strip away our privacies. Sorry. That doesn't fly. If it were truly important to take away our privacy, the borders would have been secured a year ago.

It appears that it is easier to ask us to live in fish bowls than to tell illegal immigrants that we cannot afford to have such loose border control anymore. It appears to be a political calculation. Does that not reduce the lost privacy aspect to nothing but political calculations? Which is more important? Our safety? Or as Dick Morris says it, the 'browning of America'? But hey, the 'browning of America' ends when the borders are secure. Thus, the ridiculousness aspect only grows.

GW Bush is well intentioned, I'm sure. But his political calculations reveal that taking away our privacy can't be all that important, if he isn't willing to tick off parts of the Hispanic community by securing our borders.

This is my suggestion, for what it's worth:

1. First seal the borders.

2. Mention a timeline for this lost privacy. No 'continuation triggers' either. Settle for 4 years of this lost privacy. Then destroy the data of all non-suspects. Only keep data of suspects that is deemed worth keeping by a warrant.

3. Non-citizens can be monitored and that info can be filed at will. Americans generally would like that idea.

4. Put someone in charge other than Poindexter. Why give ammo to the desperate DNC? It makes no sense.

If GW fails to heed this advice, I forsee political havoc. And I will be a part of it.


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To: Darlin'
It seemed to me that the question you posed re: securing borders north and south, plus coastlines seemed a reasonable impossibilty to me as well. But you were looking for 'real' answers. Uh huh.

Well, I think I'll just sit this one out and let you'all work on the micro methods needed to solve a problem that may, at it's root, have a macro solution. Sure beats offering a libertarian non-solution to the inevitable alien invasion that perhaps mirrors the WOD. "It can't be done, but with enough money, we can get it done!" hahaha

81 posted on 11/14/2002 7:58:11 PM PST by budwiesest
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To: budwiesest
Eventually, it always comes back to drugs with Libertarians.

82 posted on 11/14/2002 8:12:49 PM PST by Darlin'
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To: dirtboy
"I offer possibility #4 - this is totally nuts. The feds can't even redesign the IRS computer systems, where 90+percent of the data coming in has a matching key, either SSN or TIN. And they think they can create a massive database, probably on the order of tens of petabytes in scale, that can allow them to wallow through thousands if not millions of data feeds that must be matched without a common linking key, and use data modelling of a sophistication that does not yet exist, to find a couple of terrorist cells, when they couldn't even friggin' run a SQL query on the DC sniper database to determine that they should check out that Caprice that was entered several times?

What the feds need to do is can the crap. Their problem is not a lack of a huge database. Their problem is not a lack of information. Their problem is the stinkin' PC mindset and reliance on technology over old-fashioned human intel, investigation and intuition. They don't need a bigger database. They need an attitude adjustment."

I totally agree. It isn't an issue of technology, it's an issue of application, something that the government doesn't have a record of doing well. I don't expect this to get off the ground in any meaningful way.


83 posted on 11/14/2002 8:23:52 PM PST by alwaysconservative
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To: Deb
. . . would be like questioning THE MOON LANDING!!!!

The moon is landing? Link?

84 posted on 11/14/2002 9:25:58 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
The population has grown by 100 million in 15 years. What percentage of that increase is legal? I don't know...so pick a number. It is a large amount of people. It is too late to secure the borders. Clinton should be shot.
85 posted on 11/14/2002 10:27:12 PM PST by spyone
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Put someone in charge other than Poindexter. Why give ammo to the desperate DNC? It makes no sense.

Sure they're doing everything right, but... they also want to keep Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal in business!

86 posted on 11/14/2002 10:29:10 PM PST by jd777
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
The population has grown by 100 million in 15 years. What percentage of that increase is legal? I don't know...so pick a number. It is a large amount of people. It is too late to secure the borders. Clinton should be shot.
87 posted on 11/14/2002 10:35:24 PM PST by spyone
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To: Deb
I don't think you addressed the sleeper cell problem. As I wrote earlier, the suspects' data base remains, and the tracking. If you can't catch a sleeper cell in four years, by that time those who aren't caught had already figured out how to get around all this tracking anyway. Four years from now, we will have old laws on the books that only hurt innocent people. Yep, this was thought through a bit and discussed with others prior to posting. Otherwise, I wouldn't have had the nerve to post the way I did.
88 posted on 11/15/2002 2:17:14 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: dirtboy
It'll take them four years to settle on a database technology ... that's three years old and one year obsolete.

That's their problem. The war is being fought now. If we can survive without another 9-11 for the next 4 years, then was not needed anyway. And, if it's as important as they say, it will be expedited.

89 posted on 11/15/2002 2:24:24 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: spyone
It is too late to secure the borders. Clinton should be shot.

It's one heck of a mess to be sure. The only thing that spared Clinton was the FBI files. But if they want us safe, first things first.

90 posted on 11/15/2002 2:28:57 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
There are ways to keep Amazon from tracking you. It will be illegal to keep the government from tracking you. I understand your frustration. I don't want it any worse than it is. In fact, we can turn this into a counter-offensive.
91 posted on 11/15/2002 2:32:25 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: Deb
I hope they didn't shut down Echelon or Carnivore, but since the feds know when the terrorists are talking to each other, we can assume they're still up. Thank God (and no thanks to you) .

Just think though. We had Echelon during the Clinton years, while one of Clinton's flunkies, Kennedy [from Arksansas], was typing raw FBI files into his home PC on the kitchen table. Talk about kitchen table issues!

There isn't any evidence [I know of] that Echelon files were copied by the Clintonista, but in the long run, Echelon and Carnivore will do more harm than good. Smart terrorists will figure out how to bypass them. The not-so-smart will get caught. But those two programs will be around forever, for the next Clinton to plunder.

92 posted on 11/15/2002 2:38:24 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: TomServo
And you really think the feds would do this?

But of course! Don't you?

Bwahahahahaha!

93 posted on 11/15/2002 3:11:35 AM PST by metesky
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To: Deb
Yeah...you tell 'em!!! What we need is more government intuition!!! You're a genius!!! How does it work, anyway? Kinda like "The Think System"?

Even though you're probably just trolling, Deb, I'll answer your question anyway. Remember that FBI agent who wondered why so many Middle-Eastern men were enrolled in flight schools? Intuition, Deb. Something a database will never give you. And remember what happened to her intitiution? It was squelched by middle-level bureaucracy layers in the FBI. Can't offend folks, you know.

That's just one example of street-level smarts being smothered. Likewise, the cops on the street during the DC sniper investigation were apparently doing their job - there were several entries in the sniper database for the Caprice in question. But either no one came up with a query to pull hits on license plates in excess of two occurences (which would remove most of the random background incidents and provide a workable investigative list, instead of just stopping every white van), or no one wanted to see that data, because, in the words of a police source, they were looking for a "white van with white people." Lack of intuition, so you had an investigation driven by bias instead.

Couple these events with a failure to adhere to immigration guidelines (most of the 9/11 hijackers should have been denied visas but the guidelines were overrridden, and Malvo should have been deported), and the immediate problem becomes clear - the feds simply aren't using the tools at hand, nor using the laws they already have. More laws and more tools will not change that fundamental problem.

94 posted on 11/15/2002 5:59:14 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: fone
I no longer find humor in the fact that year in, year out, decade in, decade out our elected officals run this country further and further into the abyss. Can they all be ignorant, or is the payoff(s) just too tempting to resist?

"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day. But a series of oppressions begun at a distinguished period , and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (administrations), too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to slavery."
Thomas Jefferson

About the only thing left to argue about is when it started
95 posted on 11/15/2002 7:46:39 AM PST by steve50
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
. I read this, fuming, thinking about how our borders were left wide open all this time while they plan to keep a record of every email. Every internet message. Every credit card purchase. All manner of things kept on file. Yet our borders are wide open.

I agree we need to get control of our borders, North and South...although how anyone is going to seal our Eastern and Western borders are beyond me...it's extremely easy to pilot a small boat into any part of the east coast. But I think these concerns about privacy are entirely overblown.

Do you ahve any idea how huge one day's database would be, let alone several years? I think your web history and e-mail privacy is secure unless you're plotting to kill the Pres. or blow up embassies. In that case I hope there's a sysytem in place to uncover those messages and track the sender and recipient.

96 posted on 11/15/2002 9:31:35 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Well Said NCLA. Uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration is tearing the cultural fabric of America apart at a breathtaking pace. And yes, the REAL tragedy as America slides into a chaotic, socialist, 3rd world cesspool is the MILLIONS of Americans that sacrificed their life protecting the SOVEREIGNTY and LIBERTIES of this greatest of all nations.

Much as all it takes is a match to burn down a 100 year-old forest, the Beltway crowd of greedy opportunists have, almost overnight, clouded the future of this country by the mass importation of tens of millions of 3rd world peoples that have virtually no concept or connection whatsoever of the constitutional principles, rule of law, and system of governance that made America what it is.

It is staggering how this country has been debased by our insane immigration polices in just a couple of decades. Even more staggering is the number of so-called conservatives that actually attempt to defend or minimize what is going on.

97 posted on 11/15/2002 11:08:06 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Is everyone aware of the fact that the Homeland Security Bill provides for smallpox vaccinations to be forced upon the population when and/or if the government decides it's necessary?

Congressman Ron Paul on Homeland Security

98 posted on 11/15/2002 11:14:46 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Questioning Bush's two-fisted Hitlerian dictatorship is grounds for dismissal around here.

The tide has apparently turned around on that..

99 posted on 11/15/2002 11:16:22 AM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Eva
The borders will not be sealed until the INS and the Border Patrol are completely reorganized. Both agencies have become completely politicized by the left.

I was told by a border patrol agent that they are under orders to make NO arrests. Michelle Malkin confirmed this order in her book.

Um, who's been in charge of the Executive branch of government for the past 2 years do ya think? I heard that it was a Republican..

100 posted on 11/15/2002 11:19:27 AM PST by FormerLurker
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