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Pro-life is not the Same as Pro-GOP
The Newark Star Ledger ^ | 11.17.02 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 11/17/2002 5:09:55 PM PST by Coleus

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:38:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Every time there's an election in New Jersey these days, the Republican Party finds itself caught in the middle of a loud and very public battle between the pro-lifers and the pro-choicers. The result is pro-Democrat.

Is there any chance of this ending soon? I doubt it. The problem here is that many people mistakenly assume that the pro-life movement is a natural outgrowth of conservative philosophy and that it therefore belongs in the Republican Party.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Free Republic; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; benny; catholiclist; conservative; forrester; liberal; libertarian; life; marietasy; matheussen; mcgreevey; mulshine; newjersey; nhs; nj; njrtl; paul; paulmulshine; prolife; republican; sprint
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To: Happygal
So many women were lied to and manipulated. I don't always fault the women who "choose" abortion. Their lives are irrevocably changed, and always for the worse. When they make this "choice", they are often without moral or emotional support. The so-called fathers want nothing to do with the new baby, their families may not support an unwed mother, they may think that their financial circumstances are so dire that they can't even fathom living themselves, let along supporting a baby.

We must support these women and help them make the right choice -- for LIFE -- and be there when they do.

My father told my mother to have an abortion, and when she didn't he up and left the country. I thank God that my mother didn't abort me, I thank God that her parents supported her (not always the case, especially in the sixties), and I thank God for my mother, who raised me on her own even when it wasn't easy.

Women need to love themselves first. If they love themselves, they can and will love their unborn child.

God bless your friend, and I hope she makes peace with God and herself.

41 posted on 11/18/2002 11:09:46 AM PST by Gophack
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To: Polycarp
I'm seriously looking at the Constitution Party.

Here's a PA link.
42 posted on 11/18/2002 2:09:38 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
I go along with you most the way. However, there are people who are Democrat and liberal; but they are unabashed pro-lifers! One example: The late Gov. Casey of Pennsylvania. There also is/was a web-page that is the liberal version of "Rightgrrl". It is called, I think, "Leftout".

It is a page that otherwise pretty much liberal, except they are strongly pro-life. Then, there are Republicans that are conservative in other ways, but are strongly pro-abortion! But I do believe that between Republicans and Democrats; the Repubs. have the most pro-life people.
43 posted on 11/18/2002 4:47:15 PM PST by dsutah
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To: Polycarp
A foundational respect for human life is a necessity if we desire to maintain any semblance of the Freedoms that made this country great.

You have hit the nail on the head.

44 posted on 11/18/2002 6:54:45 PM PST by Faith
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To: Coleus
at that moment, the right-to-lifers chose to attack the conservative Republican to the benefit of the liberal Democrat. Keep that in mind the next time someone tells you the pro-life movement is conservative

This is silly. G-d forbid the people of NJ get a pro-life GOP candidate, like they did with Scott Garrett, who won overwhelmingly against his nauseating opponent Ann Sumers.

As Rick Shaftan expressed so well in a recent article, the GOP continually fails to take advantage of the large Catholic vote in NJ. Lautenberg's open support for unrestricted partial-birth abortion is appalling. Yet, despite consultants like myself, who tried to urge Forrester's hapless CM Bill Pascoe to attack Lautenberg on this, he would not do so, thus missing out on rallying the huge and activist NJ pro-life vote.

45 posted on 11/18/2002 7:04:30 PM PST by montag813
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To: wimpycat
"The secret to the winning back of hearts and minds to the respect of human life is semantics. The pro-"choice" crowd succeed in their agenda by word games, all designed to dehumanize the unborn..."

This is always the way. Hitler didn't jump up one day and say "Let's kill all the Jews" and have the German reply "Good Idea!" Step by step and bit by bit the Jews were made to seem less than equal, less than German, and finally less than human. After that it was easy to contemplate their destruction.

The real irony in the abortion issue is that women have abortions because they feel they have NO choice. I've known women who've had abortions because their own parents refused to help them. I've known women who are already mothers who've had abortions because their husbands would not work with them to "manage with" another child. I knew one women, whose family was very well off tell me that if she'd had her child she was fairly sure "they both would have ended up on welfare". I'm fairly sure her parents never knew about that situation.

Anyone I've ever personally known who has had an abortion could well have, with FAMILY SUPPORT, afforded to have their child. This is why, although I have urged my daughter not to have sex until she is married, I have also repeatedly assured her that no matter what the circumstances, if she is ever pregnant she should come to me and I will help her. I always knew I'd have my parents support, and when my husband let me down, they did step up to the plate. They don't call an unplanned pregnancy "trouble" for nothing, but if you can't count on your family in times of trouble who can you count on?
46 posted on 11/18/2002 7:52:52 PM PST by jocon307
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To: montag813
There are 3 million Catholics in NJ. I have a link above to Rick Shaftan's article. We all tried to get Forrester to change his way but he was steadfast in his RINO/liberal views. Well, Forrester and Pasco learned the hard way, that's what they get for listening to Tom Kean.
47 posted on 11/18/2002 8:49:58 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
If I am, for example, an unborn baby, I have to ask exactly what service the government is providing by permitting mommy to kill me.
48 posted on 11/18/2002 9:05:40 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite
Free Decapitation and dismemberment, welcome to the human race and a woman's right to choose, with Liberty and Justice for all, except the unborn.
49 posted on 11/18/2002 9:17:15 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
Please see #25 ... even if the Constitutional Party could get a president elected, they would have to have enough Congressional support to get anything done. But we know the third party presidential candidates cannot get elected in a typical election cycle, so voting for one of them is to empower the democrat votes since most third party votes are more like republican sympathies than despotic democrats.
50 posted on 11/18/2002 9:20:30 PM PST by MHGinTN
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Yea, I know. I'm still a republican county committeeman, so it won't be for a couple of years, I'm just looking around. I think it would be a good idea just to "threaten" our republican leaders of our district and tell them that we are going to join the 3rd-party if they don't change their ways. For instance, today they just voted for the smart-gun technology, even though it hasn't been invented yet. Many republicans were too afraid of the issue and "abstained" from voting--a bunch of capons in my book.

51 posted on 11/18/2002 9:38:42 PM PST by Coleus
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To: grania
I'm waiting for the PBA ban as well. Pro-lifers are growing just a wee bit weary of supporting the Pro-life candidates and getting nothing in return. Mark my words, if this Congress fails to get a bill banning Partial Birth Abortion to the President in the next two years, Republicans are going to face a huge price at the polls. Heavy conservative (read: Prolife) turnout at the polls will dissipate and the conservative tilt in this nation that manifested itself on November 5th will recede, mainly because Prolifers will collectively throw their hands in the air and wash themselves of Republicans altogether. I hope this new Congress heeds the message.
52 posted on 11/19/2002 7:22:01 PM PST by Prolifeconservative
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To: Prolifeconservative
Our President is pro-life, and our numbers are growing in America. As Governor Seward stated of slavery over one hundred years ago, this is an "irrepressible conflict." Life will be sacred in this country.

As far as New Jersey is concerned, I'd expect better. They let Democrats demagogue the issue. I was an admirer of Bret Schundler, and felt he was a rare leader with excellent future prospects, but his handling of the abortion issue was abysmal. All he did was hide behind the Pope. It isn't the point Bret. It isn't even a religious issue. It is a moral issue, and a wide variety of people were anti-slavery.

Nothing is surer to me that there will come a day when all children will be welcomed into this world.
53 posted on 11/19/2002 8:34:35 PM PST by republicanwizard
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To: Coleus
This is a crock. It is a Constitutional and conservative notion to defend the defenseless and preserve individual rights, especially those that are least able to defend themselves. Liberals act as though they corner the market regarding defending the 'defenseless', when nothing could be farther from the truth.

"It was a huge miscalculation and should serve as a warning that endorsement by the Republican Pro- Choice coalition is the kiss of death for a candidate."

54 posted on 11/19/2002 8:41:51 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Polycarp
Well stated.
55 posted on 11/19/2002 8:43:59 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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With the exceptions of Nixon, Ford and (most likely) Dole, had he been elected. Even Reagan got skunked. On the whole, you're correct.
56 posted on 11/19/2002 8:50:37 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: AFPhys
Amen-right-on-the-money-bump! Based on your posts, you're growing on me!
57 posted on 11/19/2002 8:53:31 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Coleus
It's worthy of a good, long look and activism if you're so inclined.
58 posted on 11/19/2002 8:54:49 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Coleus; MHGinTN
The GOP could easily create a set of circumstances to make themselves irrelevant in national politics and a party such as the Constituion could rise mightily in an election cycle or two. Bob Dole almost did it single-handedly...
59 posted on 11/19/2002 8:58:40 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Prolifeconservative
Amen. That's the reality.
60 posted on 11/19/2002 8:59:33 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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