CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents

Insight Mag ^ | Nov. 13, 2002 | Timothy W. Maier

[Johnny Shear]

Multiply each by 2 and remember that provisions were also needed. Now just assuming 8,000 mammals that means there is just 12 sq ft (3.5 ft x 3.5 ft) for each mammal and provisions for that mammal. In that space would need to be at least 2 amphia, 3 reptiles, 4 birds, 18 worms, plus insects.

Don't forget the dinosaurs.

Yes, someone on here once tried to tell me that the dinosaurs were also on the Arc. Since the world is only 7000 years old and all.

This is probably the biggest reason why I consider the bible a very well written novel. But I guess they do call it "Faith" for a reason.

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How narrow of you to omit the inclusion of gay animals on the ark. They had a right to be spared, too, so that they could have been able to perpetuate their species..... 8~)

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The CIA guys working on this project continue to agonize over the last remaining Intelligence Collection Requirement, namely: "Define the word 'cubit'"...

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Yes, someone on here once tried to tell me that the dinosaurs were also on the Arc.

Dinosaurs probably were on the ark. There ya go.

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1 cubit = approx. 18 inches

[Dog Gone]

Finally, many animals that are considered different species may have developed from a single pair on the ark. For example, Asian elephants and African elephants are different species, but they may have descended from a single pair of elephants on the ark. This is true for almost all species of vertibrates.

I find it interesting that many people think Noah took two dogs, for example, onto the ark. Yet today, just a few thousand years later, we have Chihuahuas, Great Danes, Poodles, Mastiffs, and weenie dogs. These same people do not believe in Evolution.

[Investment Biker]

Actually, the story commands Noah to take two of each species. The numbers given were based upon the actuals number of species IDENTIFIED today. Not a guess

[Bobby777]

like many horses, many dog breeds were created by humans ... they selected traits and created the breeds by controlling the mix ...

[AppyPappy]

But you have no idea how many were on the Ark. You are guessing.

[Investment Biker]

One can still have faith and think that the Old Testament is a collection of stories meant to explain to man the the meaning and history of his relationship with God.

[Bobby777]

Yet today, we have Chihuahuas, Great Danes, Poodles, Mastiffs, and weenie dogs.

Publication date: 09/17/2002

A dog is not a dog is not a dog

BY NICKY RUBENSTEIN Special To The Examiner

The American Kennel Club (www.AKC.org) currently recognizes about 150 different dog breeds, and the International Dog Association -- "Fédération Cynologique Internationale" (www.FCI.be) -- lists more than 400 of them.

Most of these breeds, as we know them today, have existed for less than 130 years, which is when the first kennel clubs were created in England, the United States, France, Belgium and Canada. Kennel clubs define the standard for each breed, which includes a description of the purpose of the breed, desired temperament, body proportions and wither (shoulder) height, coat types and colors, and many other details that distinguish one breed from any other.

http://www.examiner.com/ex_files/default.jsp?story=C0917ANINAL9w

[Investment Biker]

"For example, Asian elephants and African elephants are different species, but they may have descended from a single pair of elephants on the ark. " You say this as though it is accepted scientific and reglious fact that animals descend from one another. Yet the book of Genisis directly contradicts your assertion with God having created each animal. Further science would assert that the divergence of Asian Elephants and African Elephants occoured much longer than the time frame you are suggesting.

With regard to insects the story does not include an exemption for insects. Two of each animal was to be put upon the Ark.

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I find it interesting that many people think Noah took two dogs, for example, onto the ark. Yet today, just a few thousand years later, we have Chihuahuas, Great Danes, Poodles, Mastiffs, and weenie dogs. These same people do not believe in Evolution.

Your comments are quite uninformed. Despite 1000s of years of selective breeding (which is altogether different from "evolution by natural selection") there is still only one species of dog. All the varieties you have cited are "breeds".

Most or all of the 100s of breeds of dog are acknowledged by biologists to have been developed during historic times, i.e., within the last several thousand years. As another poster has said, the AKC says most breeds are less than 150 years old.

This is true of all domesticated animals and plants.

Another fact you may be unaware of: pure breeds of dogs when released to the wild, and allowed to interbreed with other dogs, produce offspring with less specialized characteristics (ie, mutts) within a few generations. In other words the changes produced by selective breeding are not permanent, ie, not evolution.

[DoctorMichael]

Agreed!

As an semi-experienced mountain climber, I don't quite understand the problem with THIS. The three biggest excuses are:

1) Ark is high on a big mountain. Ridiculous! If my memory serves me right its been estimated to be at 12,000 ft. This is not very high at all. I did weekend vacation climbs in the Sierra Nevadas in Calif. at 14,000 ft, just for fun.

2) The area of the mountain is hard to get to and the ark is hard to find. Anyone ever hear of Global Positioning Satellites. In addition, an expedition was just completed by the National Geographic Society that surveyed the ENTIRE NORTH FACE OF MOUNT EVEREST (thats 25,000 to 29,000 ft for those who don't know), looking for the body of George Mallory and his climbing partner lost in 1923!!!!!!!!!! They found his body too!

3) Its a dangerous, terrorist-infested area. Completely stupid. How many terrorists have you heard of hanging out on a glaciated slope at 12,000 ft.

This whole controversy is no controversy at all and is beginning to bore me................but it does make good grist for Art Bell.

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Forwarding to undoubdtedly grateful folks in Langely....

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OK. Now, tell me, then -- what is an ark??

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You have failed to properly recognize that PUGS make up an entire species of their own, and an exalted one at that..... 8~)

[Sloth]

Pointless. If it was a miraculous occurrence, trying to quantify it is silly. If God wanted to fit the planet Jupiter in the watch pocket of my blue jeans, He could do it. But it would be fruitless trying to calculate the difficulty involved... it's like asking where all the water came from, or where it went.

[Aquinasfan]

One can still have faith and think that the Old Testament is a collection of stories meant to explain to man the the meaning and history of his relationship with God.

True, although many different ancient cultures have transmitted tales of a great flood. There are many possible explanations for the stories.