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CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents
Insight Mag ^ | Nov. 13, 2002 | Timothy W. Maier

Posted on 11/21/2002 11:50:10 AM PST by Ready2go

CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents Posted Nov. 13, 2002 By Timothy W. Maier

Is it the Ark, or just a piece of rock?

Two years after Insight filed an appeal charging that the CIA withheld documents and imagery concerning the Mount Ararat anomaly in Turkey, the CIA has released two new documents to Insight that indicate the search for "Noah's Ark" reached the level of the White House under former president George H.W. Bush.

The appeal, filed one month after Insight's exclusive story (see "Anomaly or Noah's Ark?"; Nov. 20, 2000), comes on the heels of the CIA's releasing thousands of satellite images, which soon will be available at National Imagery and Mapping Agency Website. It is unclear whether images of Mount Ararat will be included. Insight's exclusive story marked the first time the public was able to see high-resolution photographs of the anomaly, located at 39 degrees 42 minutes north latitude and 44 degrees 16 minutes east longitude. Insight contracted with Space Imaging to maneuver its IKONOS satellite to zoom in on the anomaly. Afterwards, Insight hired a team of scientists and engineers to examine the pictures and to deterimine whether the object in question was man-made or rock. Four of the experts claim it's man-made, two believe it's rock and one says the evidence is inconclusive.

Unfortunately, the release of the additional records does not offer any more proof of what the object might be, but only raises more questions as to why the CIA continues to hold such records as classified.

One of the records released is a 1995 memo from an agent who had a coversation with John Hanford, then a member of Sen. Richard Lugar's (R-Ind.) staff. Hanford apparently recalled a White House meeting under the George H.W. Bush administration in which Robert Gates, then National Security director, showed one of the old images of the Mount Ararat area to various people at the meeting. "Mr. Hanford said that imagery showed something sticking out from the ice and snow — but that it could have been almost anything."

The memo was triggered by a newspaper article that suggested Mount Ararat imagery might be made public under former president Bill Clinton's decision to release historical documents. The CIA agent says in the memo that such imagery "might or might not be included in the declassified materials."

The other record concerned a review the George H.W. Bush administration conducted between 1990 and 1992 concerning Mount Ararat. The record was in response to former CIA director James Woolsey's requesting what it might cost to undertake a more exhaustive review of all the material. At the time, the price was considered too high to do such a search. Woolsey was told it would take an analyst six months to complete such a study. It appears that study never was completed.

Insight still may receive additional records. The CIA has asked other agencies to review specific records for possible release in the near future. In the meantime, Insight is reviewing its options on whether to pursue in federal court images taken by the CIA with its KH-9 remote-sensing satellite in 1973 and its KH-11 satellite in 1976, 1990 and 1992.

Timothy Maier is a writer for Insight. email the author

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To: Investment Biker
Multiply each by 2 and remember that provisions were also needed. Now just assuming 8,000 mammals that means there is just 12 sq ft (3.5 ft x 3.5 ft) for each mammal and provisions for that mammal. In that space would need to be at least 2 amphia, 3 reptiles, 4 birds, 18 worms, plus insects.

Don't forget the dinosaurs.

Yes, someone on here once tried to tell me that the dinosaurs were also on the Arc. Since the world is only 7000 years old and all.

This is probably the biggest reason why I consider the bible a very well written novel. But I guess they do call it "Faith" for a reason.

21 posted on 11/22/2002 9:56:01 AM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Investment Biker
How narrow of you to omit the inclusion of gay animals on the ark. They had a right to be spared, too, so that they could have been able to perpetuate their species..... 8~)
22 posted on 11/22/2002 10:00:08 AM PST by tracer
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To: 1riot1ranger
The CIA guys working on this project continue to agonize over the last remaining Intelligence Collection Requirement, namely: "Define the word 'cubit'"...
23 posted on 11/22/2002 10:04:05 AM PST by tracer
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To: Johnny Shear
Yes, someone on here once tried to tell me that the dinosaurs were also on the Arc.

Dinosaurs probably were on the ark. There ya go.

24 posted on 11/22/2002 10:06:01 AM PST by far sider
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To: tracer
1 cubit = approx. 18 inches
25 posted on 11/22/2002 10:07:43 AM PST by far sider
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To: far sider
Finally, many animals that are considered different species may have developed from a single pair on the ark. For example, Asian elephants and African elephants are different species, but they may have descended from a single pair of elephants on the ark. This is true for almost all species of vertibrates.

I find it interesting that many people think Noah took two dogs, for example, onto the ark. Yet today, just a few thousand years later, we have Chihuahuas, Great Danes, Poodles, Mastiffs, and weenie dogs. These same people do not believe in Evolution.

27 posted on 11/22/2002 10:16:17 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: AppyPappy
Actually, the story commands Noah to take two of each species. The numbers given were based upon the actuals number of species IDENTIFIED today. Not a guess
28 posted on 11/22/2002 10:23:32 AM PST by Investment Biker
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To: Dog Gone
like many horses, many dog breeds were created by humans ... they selected traits and created the breeds by controlling the mix ...
29 posted on 11/22/2002 10:24:04 AM PST by Bobby777
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To: Investment Biker
But you have no idea how many were on the Ark. You are guessing.
30 posted on 11/22/2002 10:25:54 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Johnny Shear
One can still have faith and think that the Old Testament is a collection of stories meant to explain to man the the meaning and history of his relationship with God.
31 posted on 11/22/2002 10:25:57 AM PST by Investment Biker
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To: Dog Gone
Yet today, we have Chihuahuas, Great Danes, Poodles, Mastiffs, and weenie dogs.

Publication date: 09/17/2002

A dog is not a dog is not a dog

BY NICKY RUBENSTEIN Special To The Examiner

The American Kennel Club (www.AKC.org) currently recognizes about 150 different dog breeds, and the International Dog Association -- "Fédération Cynologique Internationale" (www.FCI.be) -- lists more than 400 of them.

Most of these breeds, as we know them today, have existed for less than 130 years, which is when the first kennel clubs were created in England, the United States, France, Belgium and Canada. Kennel clubs define the standard for each breed, which includes a description of the purpose of the breed, desired temperament, body proportions and wither (shoulder) height, coat types and colors, and many other details that distinguish one breed from any other.

http://www.examiner.com/ex_files/default.jsp?story=C0917ANINAL9w
32 posted on 11/22/2002 10:30:34 AM PST by Bobby777
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To: far sider
"For example, Asian elephants and African elephants are different species, but they may have descended from a single pair of elephants on the ark. " You say this as though it is accepted scientific and reglious fact that animals descend from one another. Yet the book of Genisis directly contradicts your assertion with God having created each animal. Further science would assert that the divergence of Asian Elephants and African Elephants occoured much longer than the time frame you are suggesting.

With regard to insects the story does not include an exemption for insects. Two of each animal was to be put upon the Ark.
33 posted on 11/22/2002 10:39:56 AM PST by Investment Biker
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To: Dog Gone
I find it interesting that many people think Noah took two dogs, for example, onto the ark. Yet today, just a few thousand years later, we have Chihuahuas, Great Danes, Poodles, Mastiffs, and weenie dogs. These same people do not believe in Evolution.

Your comments are quite uninformed. Despite 1000s of years of selective breeding (which is altogether different from "evolution by natural selection") there is still only one species of dog. All the varieties you have cited are "breeds".

Most or all of the 100s of breeds of dog are acknowledged by biologists to have been developed during historic times, i.e., within the last several thousand years. As another poster has said, the AKC says most breeds are less than 150 years old.

This is true of all domesticated animals and plants.

Another fact you may be unaware of: pure breeds of dogs when released to the wild, and allowed to interbreed with other dogs, produce offspring with less specialized characteristics (ie, mutts) within a few generations. In other words the changes produced by selective breeding are not permanent, ie, not evolution.

34 posted on 11/22/2002 11:01:01 AM PST by far sider
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To: usurper; Ready2go; All
Agreed!

As an semi-experienced mountain climber, I don't quite understand the problem with THIS. The three biggest excuses are:

1) Ark is high on a big mountain. Ridiculous! If my memory serves me right its been estimated to be at 12,000 ft. This is not very high at all. I did weekend vacation climbs in the Sierra Nevadas in Calif. at 14,000 ft, just for fun.

2) The area of the mountain is hard to get to and the ark is hard to find. Anyone ever hear of Global Positioning Satellites. In addition, an expedition was just completed by the National Geographic Society that surveyed the ENTIRE NORTH FACE OF MOUNT EVEREST (thats 25,000 to 29,000 ft for those who don't know), looking for the body of George Mallory and his climbing partner lost in 1923!!!!!!!!!! They found his body too!

3) Its a dangerous, terrorist-infested area. Completely stupid. How many terrorists have you heard of hanging out on a glaciated slope at 12,000 ft.

This whole controversy is no controversy at all and is beginning to bore me................but it does make good grist for Art Bell.

35 posted on 11/22/2002 11:04:26 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: far sider
Forwarding to undoubdtedly grateful folks in Langely....
36 posted on 11/22/2002 11:05:51 AM PST by tracer
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To: far sider
OK. Now, tell me, then -- what is an ark??
37 posted on 11/22/2002 11:06:40 AM PST by tracer
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To: far sider
You have failed to properly recognize that PUGS make up an entire species of their own, and an exalted one at that..... 8~)
38 posted on 11/22/2002 11:09:10 AM PST by tracer
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To: Investment Biker
Pointless. If it was a miraculous occurrence, trying to quantify it is silly. If God wanted to fit the planet Jupiter in the watch pocket of my blue jeans, He could do it. But it would be fruitless trying to calculate the difficulty involved... it's like asking where all the water came from, or where it went.
39 posted on 11/22/2002 11:09:46 AM PST by Sloth
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To: Investment Biker
One can still have faith and think that the Old Testament is a collection of stories meant to explain to man the the meaning and history of his relationship with God.

True, although many different ancient cultures have transmitted tales of a great flood. There are many possible explanations for the stories.

40 posted on 11/22/2002 11:10:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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