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Conservatives Dispute Bush Portrayal of Islam as Peaceful
washington post ^ | 11/30/02

Posted on 11/29/2002 9:49:16 PM PST by knak

President Bush finds himself in a rare disagreement with conservatives in his party over his efforts to portray Islam as a peaceful religion that is not responsible for anti-American terrorism.

In a score of speeches since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the president has called for tolerance of Muslims, describing Islam as "a faith based upon peace and love and compassion" and a religion committed to "morality and learning and tolerance."

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KEYWORDS: islam; religionofpeace; ropma
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To: Publius6961
Yemen is predominantly Muslim, but there are small groups of Christians, Jews, and Hindus.

Syria: Sunni Muslim 74%, Alawite, Druze, and other Muslim sects 16%, Christian (various sects) 10%, Jewish (tiny communities in Damascus, Al Qamishli, and Aleppo)

Saudi Arabia is 100% Muslim.

Pakistan: Muslim 97% (Sunni 77%, Shi'a 20%), Christian, Hindu, and other 3%

Two more countries that you didn't ask for:

USA: Protestant 56%, Roman Catholic 28%, Jewish 2%, other 4%, none 10% (1989)

Israel: Jewish 80.1%, Muslim 14.6% (mostly Sunni Muslim), Christian 2.1%, other 3.2% (1996 est.)

Do you see a pattern here?

Christian countries have a small presence of non-Christian religions, the reverse is true for non-Christian countries.

Christian countries have a small presence of non-Christian religions, the reverse is true for non-Christian countries.

Do you think that the figures on the US and Israel indicate religious persecution and intolerance as well?

"I been waiting years for an explanation."

What? All this intellect and you have yet to figure out that the Saudis are by and large arrogant, intolerant a$$holes? You can also see that of all the countries you listed, they are the only ones 100% Muslim.

"Take your prozac and take your time."

I see that you are cut from the same cloth.

261 posted on 12/01/2002 1:18:19 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: TLBSHOW


"(Thanks for carrying our water for us.)
Remember, brethren, the crusaders are out to destroy Islam!
All of Christendom is the enemy!"

262 posted on 12/01/2002 1:20:44 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Jhoffa_
I don't pretend to be a biblical scholar, but excerpted passages that I have seen from the Koran did explicitly state that religion should not be compulsory.

Abrogation is a key concept in the Quaran, if a concept spoken of earlier is contadicted by a later one the later one takes precedence. The "peaceful" passages were "revealed" during the early days of Mohammed at Mecca and after he gained strength and conquered during his exile at Medina were superceded by all the "kick ass and take names for Allah" passages...

263 posted on 12/01/2002 1:22:07 PM PST by Axenolith
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To: Jhoffa_; _Jim
You shouldn't be thanking me, it was meant as a tremendous insult.

You can't insult me, it would not be possible.

And as to my lying that's just you being shrill, splitting hairs and showing your ignorance.

Still trying to insult me? It will never work. It is just showing how everyone how you operate. Your personal attacks against people start when you can't defend your words and when you get busted for lying about people.

Grow up now, and stay on topic.

There are many people here either outright calling for or implying the need for a war on Islam as a whole. They are no better than the problem they are addressing, imo.

You keep lying and saying that. You tried to say it about me but you were shown to be a liar.
It would make more sense for you to stop trying to slander people here and stick to a logical topic.

Also, for you to for one minute slander these good people here and say that they are as bad as the murdering terrorist is an insult to everything Freerepublic stands for. You need to retract.

264 posted on 12/01/2002 1:22:17 PM PST by Jael
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To: Axenolith
Jhoffa has been shown the verses from the Koran that support conversion by force and the enmity that Islam has toward Judeo/ Christian religions. He just ignores the proof.
265 posted on 12/01/2002 1:24:58 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael

1) Heed your own words.

2) Re-read the thread.

Now who is overly broad? Did I indict all of FR at some point? Are you lying Is that on topic? Can two play at your silly game?

I refuse to retract things I didn't say.

I hate all jihadders, Christian's included.

266 posted on 12/01/2002 1:29:08 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Luis Gonzalez
What? All this intellect and you have yet to figure out that the Saudis are by and large arrogant, intolerant a$$holes? You can also see that of all the countries you listed, they are the only ones 100% Muslim.

Beautiful "cut and paste" job, my kindergarten kids used to do that well too.

You sort of forgot the question, though.
I wondered if there were any churches in any of those places where Christians may worship and stay alive.

You studiously answered a question I didn't ask.
But why am I not surprised?

And you specially avoided the Thanksgiving celebration report in Saudi Arabia. No explanation whatsoever? From such a tolerant country?

Good luck at your sand-maggot sites.

267 posted on 12/01/2002 1:30:48 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961
Jammal

LOL!!!

BTW, the reason that I had not answered your #185 is that I have been otherwise occupied with my family's Chanukah celebration.

268 posted on 12/01/2002 1:34:56 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
BTW, the reason that I had not answered your #185 is that I have been otherwise occupied with my family's Chanukah celebration.

Clever response!
Kudos...

269 posted on 12/01/2002 1:38:32 PM PST by Publius6961
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To: Cultural Jihad
Nigeria: Death threat reporter 'flees country'.

The author of an article on the Miss World pageant considered blasphemous by many Nigerian Muslims has fled the country.

AFP reported that colleagues at the daily This Day said Isioma Daniel had taken refuge in the US. Islamic authorities in the northern Nigerian state of Zamfara have urged Muslims to kill Isioma Daniel, a writer for the private daily This Day, whose November 16 article about the Miss World pageant sparked deadly riots across the country.

http://www.indexonline.org/indexindex/20021127_nigeria.shtml
270 posted on 12/01/2002 1:39:18 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Delphinium
"You are right, Islam is a religion that does not believe in freedom."

Question: Which is the oldest Muslim country in the world:

Answer: The Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia.

Source.

271 posted on 12/01/2002 1:39:24 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Jael

Now you're lying again.. tsk, tsk.

I acknowledged that there might be more to the Koran regarding conversion by force and I said so. I simply related what I read and admitted that it was very little.

Watch the lying here, will ya? It's getting excessive.

272 posted on 12/01/2002 1:41:17 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Publius6961
Happy Hannukah!

My kids are Jewish (married a Jewish girl), we'll also do the traditional Cuban Christmas Eve with my parents, it's rapidly becoming my in-law's favorite non-Jewish holiday.
273 posted on 12/01/2002 1:42:18 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Publius6961
"I wondered if there were any churches in any of those places where Christians may worship and stay alive."

"Wherever two or more are gathered in My Name..."

274 posted on 12/01/2002 1:46:01 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Publius6961
"Beautiful "cut and paste" job, my kindergarten kids used to do that well too."

Your kindergarten kids may have been also able to figure out that I answered your question about the Saudis and Thanksgiving.

275 posted on 12/01/2002 1:51:34 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Jhoffa_; Bobby777; RnMomof7; RaceBannon; _Jim; Alas Babylon!; al_possum39; xzins; nobdysfool; ...
You can hate Christians all day long, but you certainly would not be in fear for your life from them. And they probably don't care that you are trying to compare them to terrorist, it's been done before. It is however a sad commentary on your motives for this whole thread.
It's nice to see that you talked long enough to expose your real agenda. Keep talking.

You also said
There are many people here either outright calling for or implying the need for a war on Islam as a whole. They are no better than the problem they are addressing, imo.

Once again, you should retract. People here at Freerepublic are not murdering terrorist. No matter what you say, you will never be able to make that connection. It is a disgrace for you to even try.

276 posted on 12/01/2002 1:52:37 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
The thing that really bugs the crap out of me on this subject is that all of the pussy footing around actually generates more of the radicals. The people who follow Islam who are content to mouth the prayers and hold a "9-5" start seeing that the whack jobs are getting results, or even just demonstrating that they can make us run around like a chicken with its head lopped off, and they start thinking "Hey, maybe these guys are right, I'd better jump on this bandwagon".

10% of them might be hardcores now (and that would be 150 million people at the least willing to fund it) but I'm willing to bet that if there isn't definitive results in the WOT you'll see that number double in no time AND the overall numbers of Islam will grow at 10+% a year as peoples in countries with significant Islamic populations read the writing on the wall and start converting in greater numbers to avoid the persecution.

At the very least, western democracies should institute a program to whack any Islamic clerics who call for death and destruction to non believers. If this is ineffectual it should lead up to the destruction of Islams holy sites. The primatives who take the view of an active Allah who assists in the smiting of his enemies will have a rude awakening when they see that Allah couldn't spare a thunderbolt or two to smite the unbeliever SLCM's that reduce his holy crash pads to ashes. The more spiritually inclined and rational followers of Islam, while they'll probably be pissed, will probably deal with it and get on with life.

I'll have the asbesto's suit on for this one, but does anybody think for a minute that this wouldn't occur if the roles were reversed?

277 posted on 12/01/2002 1:53:31 PM PST by Axenolith
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To: Jhoffa_
The post stands. You were shown what Islam believes.
278 posted on 12/01/2002 1:54:13 PM PST by Jael
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To: Axenolith

That makes a great deal of sense and it would have been politically expedient.

279 posted on 12/01/2002 1:55:08 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Axenolith
Food for thought at least!!!
280 posted on 12/01/2002 1:56:33 PM PST by Jael
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