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I Would Have Voted For Strom in '48
David Yeagley

Posted on 12/22/2002 1:01:33 PM PST by Bad Eagle

By David Yeagley

As an Indian, I believe in segregation. Segregation helps a people preserve themselves and their culture. Modern America should take a lesson from Indians.

Problems in any national culture start with uncontrolled immigration. In the case of white America, it was actually the mass Negro imports that comprised the first such immigration. That led finally to forced integration, and integration results in intermarriage.

When your people are few, like Indians, intermarriage leads to racial annihilation.

But blacks don't have to worry about that, nor do Mexicans (Hispanics), Orientals (Asians), or Arabic people. These are the largest racial/cultural groups in the world.

American black leaders want integration because they see equality as economic parity and sexual acceptance. They don't see either except through racial integration. The fact that the U.S. Supreme Court had to pass laws to insure integration only demonstrates emphatically that most white people didn't want it, and apparently still don't.

After all, white people globally and historically (especially in parts of the Antebellum South) have always been a minority. Segregation was their natural defense, or their instinct for self-preservation, despite the fact that they brought the Negroes here.

But in America's 19th century 'adolescent' period, the government lost this global perspective of race, and made idealistic decisions based on political theory which it applied within America's own borders. Leaders believed everyone living within America's borders must be equal, economically. America has never really matured beyond this political solipsism.

When Indians became vastly outnumbered by whites however, we were subjugated as a minority race, and truly segregated--by land. We were put on "reservations."

Well, Indians were separate nations from America. Indians didn't seek "equality" within the American system. Though Americans dominated our land, we wanted no part of their society.

The white man did not at first try to make economic use of us. He just wanted us out of the way. Reservations kept the warring Indians together, away from white people. We were promised sustenance, forever, so long as we stayed there, and stopped killing white people.

As a result, we Indians still have our cultures, languages, and religions. Much has eroded, but the core is still there.

Now white men see vast economic opportunity on Indian reservations. This will bring forced integration, and that will destroy us. The critical issue of "Who Is Indian?" already demonstrates the need to preserve our race. Today there is so much at stake in being Indian, one really has to "prove" he's Indian. And Indians are the only "ethnic group" whose members must prove their claim.

Indian culture itself can be mimicked by non-Indians. Theoretical "wannabe's" abound, for obviously economic reasons. The casino industry, for instance, is doing terrible harm to Indians, and it deeply insults our dignity of being. Our race is a marketable fantasy.

But a culture without a race is like a country club with open membership. Soon, everyone joins. There's only an economic prerequisite. If you benefit the club, you're in. If not, you're out. The "casino cultures" will eventually destroy the Indian race.

Is the American culture also without a race?

Those who formed the American colonies, and later created the American government, were White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. In the beginning there was a race, a religion, and a land, (albeit with developing borders). The essential elements of a nation were all there. Never in history did a "nation" exist otherwise.

Today, America has become an ambiguous society. The WASP Weltanshauung still lingers as a cultural drone. However, Americans must today question whether a nation can long exist without definition of race, religion, and land.

National identity itself, at some basic level, requires some kind of segregation.

Otherwise, who's country is it? Is America up for grabs?

As an Indian, I hope not. When I look on America's cultural malaise I can only remind America of its WASP roots. These white people are the ones that fought Indians. I feel a strange, abiding connection to the white man.

I'm not concerned about the other races, cultures, or religions. I would have fought them too, and would have wanted to remain segregated. Yet they couldn't have defeated me, so I feel no special respect for them.

But I'm concerned now that the American roots are dying. Strom Thurmond's historical sentiments on segregation could have been implemented differently, and might have been better for everyone.


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To: Bad Eagle
I'm talking about dramatic racial intermarriages, not between say, a German and a Czech. I mean a Negro and a Korean, or even a White and an Indian.

Are you talking about Indians from India or Native Americans? How about a Japanese person and an Okinawan? What about a Filipino and a Chinese person? How about a Thai person and a Pakistani? An Egyptian and a South African? What criterion gets used to determine which racial intermarriages are "dramatic" enough to not take place? Is it anything beyond the color of one's skin?

Marry whom you will, but not in the name of Christ. Man continually tries to bring together that which God has separated, and man continually tries to separate what God hath joined together.

Well there are already millions of children alive now that have resulted from couples of mixed race. Who should they be allowed to procreate with? What would you have them do so that they can act "in the name of Christ?"

There is something obviously destructive in interracial marriage.

There's obviously something destructive in people who criticize a marriage knowing nothing more about it than that the participants are from different races.
81 posted on 12/23/2002 12:19:51 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Waskishi
Sorry - I don't see how this relates to what I said. I guess you'll have to spell it out for me...
82 posted on 12/23/2002 12:22:06 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Bad Eagle
When your people are few, like Indians, intermarriage leads to racial annihilation.

In 1000 years, the entire world will all be the same race. What's your point?

83 posted on 12/23/2002 12:32:54 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Bad Eagle
Problems in any national culture start with uncontrolled immigration. In the case of white America, it was actually the mass Negro imports that comprised the first such immigration. That led finally to forced integration, and integration results in intermarriage.

Racists call it "Forced Integration". Honest people call it "Ending Government Sponsored Segregation".

84 posted on 12/23/2002 12:42:51 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Waskishi
Lifes experience shows us that species including humans can not survive when they delete the genetics given to them at birth by replacing them with other species of humans.

Hint - look up the definition of species and get back to us.

86 posted on 12/23/2002 12:54:41 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Waskishi
Lifes experience shows us that species including humans can not survive when they delete the genetics given to them at birth by replacing them with other species of humans.

I have yet to hear about even a single human being who has not been able to survive solely because they were of mixed race. I have never even heard this theory before. In fact, a recent genetic study showed that race is basically a non-issue when it comes to genetic history.

I'd like to see a source for this please. I would also point out that all humans are of the same species.

The good lord showed every living human on this earth with the almost infallible order of nature that the sparrows and the robins do not share the same nest to return in the spring a faxsimile of the previous year,However if love overpowers the genetic responsibility then so be it.

I don't understand this. Sparrows and robins cannot interbreed. All humans can. Are you trying to draw a parallel here?
87 posted on 12/23/2002 1:03:17 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Phyto Chems
The BIG question is: what did and how did the Creator make this world for us to live, did he not separate the races to start with

Skin color is a simple adaptation to latitude. But a lot of folks have the need to brand someone with an indelible stamp that marks a group of people as permanently inferior in their eyes. And, in cultures where there was little difference in appearances, such as India, the powerful created an underclass difference anyway - they created Untouchables.

88 posted on 12/23/2002 1:04:41 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
But a lot of folks have the need to brand someone with an indelible stamp that marks a group of people as permanently inferior in their eyes.

Sure enough! I think it was Chris Rock that was commenting on this when he was talking about the England-Ireland situation. "Even where these people look exactly the same and they're even all Christians, they're still going to find something to look down on each other for..."
89 posted on 12/23/2002 1:16:22 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: ArneFufkin
Go to a black baptist church in the poorest part of any urban center and try to conjure any article of business clothing you as a fairly prosperous professional that costs ONE HALF the cost of the getup the Preacher, Deacon and Church leaders are sporting. $800 Cole Hahn and Gucci shoes, $2000 Armani tailored suits, $150 silk ties with their $75 matching silk hankies, $150 dress shirts and Oh, those $750 topcoats.

That is a far-reaching, bull$*t stereotype and it undermines any points you may have had.

90 posted on 12/23/2002 1:19:02 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Phyto Chems
Educate yourself... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/808028/posts
91 posted on 12/23/2002 1:21:53 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Great points. Great reading. Thanks.
92 posted on 12/23/2002 1:29:40 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Waskishi
other species of humans.

You must have failed basic biology. Humans are one species: Homo sapien. Or Homo sapien sapien, but that's a different argument.

93 posted on 12/23/2002 1:35:58 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Bad Eagle
Why do people do it? They're into their own personal, emotional, sexual fantasy.

Don't most people marry out of love? Why do you marry? Money? Solely to preserve your own genes?

94 posted on 12/23/2002 1:37:19 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Reactionary
Never heard it explained better!
96 posted on 12/23/2002 1:41:36 PM PST by glory
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To: Waskishi
Not to argue but what are genetic markers in human DNA that seperates the masses by race or culture?

Thre aren't any. Culture is not genetic. Skin color can be genetic, but is not intrinsically linked to race genetically. See the link in post 91 that Johnny Shear thoughtfully provided.

I still don't understand the point of your post 80 - can you elucidate?

There is no superior race or specially gifted humans. We do however have the god given right to associate with whom we wish that fits into each particular races culture.

I couldn't agree more. Nobody here is saying that people shouldn't be allowed to marry people with the same race as them. Some of us are disputing the original author's contention that marrying someone of another race is wrong and non-Christian.
98 posted on 12/23/2002 1:54:24 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Waskishi
Excuse Me for offending your knoledge of biology and once again I am wrong there are elite and superior human species in our presence.

Every now and then, we get posters on FR who are near-perfect parodies. Thanks for the entertainment, although I'm sure you don't mean to provide such.

99 posted on 12/23/2002 1:55:23 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Bad Eagle
A worthwhile post--not just because it puts Strom Thurmond into the perspective, which fairly addresses his issues in 1948--but because it sets forth concepts which are very basic to the very concept of a Nation. The writer is absolutely correct as to that, and fully in accord with the traditional treatises on the Law of Nations.

This post is really very relevant, today, to the present debate on immigration. We need to decide whether or not we wish to maintain our identity among the peoples of the earth or be submerged into an undifferentiated humanity, governed by a Socialist World Government. Much of what has been drummed into American College students in recent decades--the raw ingredient that leads to Pavlovian responses, such as that which greeted Trent Lott's flight of nostalgia--has come from theorists whose real aim has never been the legitimate interests of any minority, but rather breaking down all the patterns of normal human identification, so that we may be submerged into a World Government. (See Myths & Myth Makers In American "Higher" Education.)

Thank you for posting this breath of common sense.

William Flax

100 posted on 12/23/2002 2:06:24 PM PST by Ohioan
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