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Why men don't like church: testosterone
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | Sunday, December 22, 2002 | Emanuella Grinberg

Posted on 12/22/2002 4:52:42 PM PST by freeforall

Why men don't like church: testosterone Skipping services typical of engaging in 'short-sighted' risks

Emanuella Grinberg The Ottawa Citizen

Sunday, December 22, 2002

The risk-taking impulse that makes more men than women commit crimes is also the reason men are more likely not to be religious, says a sociologist.

"It seems that not being religious is a form of risk-taking, consistent with other patterns of short-sighted behaviour in men," said Rodney Stark, a professor of sociology and comparative religion at the University of Washington, whose study will be published in The Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion.

"Every minister knows it's harder to get the guys to church than the women," he said. "We ought to be asking why this is."

Biological differences between men and women mean that men are more likely to have an "underdeveloped ability to inhibit their impulses," he said. "Especially those involving immediately gratification and thrills."

Mr. Stark based his conclusions on World Values Surveys, a poll of residents in 57 countries, with about 1,000 respondents in each country, which included the U.S., most European countries, Mexico, Brazil, Japan, Turkey, China and India. The results showed that there were sex differences everywhere, even in religions that are very male-centred, such as Orthodox Judaism.

Mr. Stark and fellow sociologist Alan Miller published another paper based on whether gender socialization or differences in social power played a role in religiousness. Studies have shown that career women are just as religious as housewives, he said.

Mr. Stark isn't satisfied with the notion that women are socialized to be more nurturing and have more time for worship than men. For him, it is a matter of gender that makes men less religious, but not a matter of the socialization of genders, said Mr. Stark.

"It used to be said that women were socialized to raise the kids and take care of the home, but when you compare a career woman to a housewife, you see that both are still a heck of a lot more religious than any man."

He says that if not a product of socialization, low rates of male religiousness can be attributed to physiology, much like higher instances of crime among men compared with women.

"There are big gender differences among Christians, Orthodox Jews and Muslims, but in each case, more women are going to more services and saying they adhere to religious mores than men. If it were a matter of socialization, it would show up in the results," he said.

Mr. Stark also said his findings are consistent with the beliefs of criminologists across North America who find aggression more prevalent in men than women.

"High testosterone levels have been proven to make men more likely to commit crimes. The tendency in men toward risky behaviour keeps turning up even where socialization is different, and so does crime and delinquency."

© Copyright 2002 The Ottawa Citizen


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To: aristeides
Biological differences between men and women mean that men are more likely to have an "underdeveloped ability to inhibit their impulses," he said. "Especially those involving immediately gratification and thrills."

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"Especially those involving immediately gratification and thrills." ???

Is this person at all familiar with the women in this country during recent decades?

21 posted on 12/22/2002 5:48:38 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
I do not believe people once lived to be 900 years old. The Bible is a hidiously gruesome brutal document of doubtful historical fact. It has nothing to do with risk-taking.

This is a rather interesting thread, despite no believing Christian coming forward to argue the other side - up to this point.

I am a believing born-again Christian who attends and supports a small United Methodist Church. I disagree with you about the Bible being gruesome. Taken as a whole it's a story of how God created everything in the universe, yet saw fit to come here (to Earth) as a man to let us know who He is, that He loves us and understands what we experience - all of it.

We are about to celebrate His coming to Earth like we all do - through birth. How amazing.

Without my faith I would have nothing to work for or believe in. Those who live without knowing who God is are missing what is the greatest joy one can have. I hope all of you who don't have an understanding of who God is are invited to church by someone who is a believer in Christ and the one true God. If you are touched by Him your life will change in ways I can't describe. Merry Christmas to you all.

22 posted on 12/22/2002 5:50:48 PM PST by toddst
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To: freeforall
....men are more likely to have an "underdeveloped ability to inhibit their impulses,"

Notice the implication here. If males & females are different, it is obviously the males who are lacking.

FEMALE = NORMAL

MALE = ABNORMAL

Any questions?

23 posted on 12/22/2002 5:52:01 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: freeforall
This is the answer I have been searching for for years but I doubt my wife is going to like any better than the others I have used...(she thinks Nascar is on every Sunday)
24 posted on 12/22/2002 5:53:28 PM PST by tubebender
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To: toddst
Without my faith I would have nothing to work for or believe in.

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Without you faith I find much to believe in through observation and honest intellectual derivation. The process isn't easy and isn't for everybody.

25 posted on 12/22/2002 5:54:27 PM PST by RLK
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To: toddst
I am a believing born-again Christian who attends and supports a small United Methodist Church.

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It puzzles me how anyone of sensibility could attend the same denomination the Clintons went to and which endorsed Bill Clinton.

26 posted on 12/22/2002 5:56:41 PM PST by RLK
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To: freeforall
The watered-down 'politically-correct' message eminating from the pulpit is what is driving MEN from the church in wholesale numbers...nothing else. This explains the explosive growth of underground churches in this country. (I have one right next door to my house.)



27 posted on 12/22/2002 6:01:11 PM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: JoeSixPack1
Funny...wasn't it the "prophet" Mohammad who looked into the bowels of Hell and noted that "the inhabitants thereof were mostly women"? Hmmm...



28 posted on 12/22/2002 6:04:12 PM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: toddst
,,, endorsement for your post #22 Todd. Have a great Christmas and all the best for 2003 and beyond.
29 posted on 12/22/2002 6:10:41 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: IronJack
AMEN, sir! AMEN!
30 posted on 12/22/2002 6:14:23 PM PST by Odile
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To: IronJack
AMEN, sir! AMEN!
31 posted on 12/22/2002 6:14:23 PM PST by Odile
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To: freeforall
"High testosterone levels have been proven to make men more likely to..."

Testosterone is our friend.

32 posted on 12/22/2002 6:19:01 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: Republic If You Can Keep It; All
What is driving men from church? What drives boys from school? Annoying, bossy GIRLS in charge.(And I am a girl, so I know.)
33 posted on 12/22/2002 6:29:58 PM PST by Temple Drake
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To: shaggy eel
,,, endorsement for your post #22 Todd. Have a great Christmas and all the best for 2003 and beyond.

Thank you, Shag. A Merry Christmas and wonderful New Year to you and your family! Perhaps I'll get over your way next year - I would like to!

34 posted on 12/22/2002 6:32:20 PM PST by toddst
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To: Chemnitz
Interesting that Hollywood and the media are not regarded as an influence that discourages men from joining a Church.
35 posted on 12/22/2002 6:36:01 PM PST by peter the great
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To: Hila
. . . once a man finds the Man, Jesus the Lord, then that man becomes stronger, more compassionate, wiser and fulfilled. Find the real deal and see your men change - for Good.

Exactly right. Thank you for your clear statement.

36 posted on 12/22/2002 6:37:27 PM PST by toddst
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To: who knows what evil?
Hmmmmmm, while I am surely not up to snuff on the teachings of Mohammed, anyplace that's mostly women is enticing! :-)

AND,,,, I've been to hell, their isn't many women there. (Well, at least not the one i was at.)

Semper Fi.
37 posted on 12/22/2002 6:37:37 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: toddst
Brother, you aren't alone. Though I am puzzled by your choice of denomination (I am Roman Catholic), though in the big picture not the most important thing.

In general people are scared of commitment, Church, Christianity require incredible commitment, submitting one's life to Him who gave it to us, that takes a lot of commitment, something many people, and many men are afraid of. God Bless You

Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit
38 posted on 12/22/2002 6:38:46 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: RLK
Dear RLK,

One naturally fears even to speak with one whose IQ and MAT scores are as high as yours undoubtedly are. I also have no doubt that I, being of so pedestrian a profession ... nay, better a craft, am a burden to associate with. So I will be brief. First, we are all so very much relieved that you don't believe that people once lived to be 900 years old. I will sleep better at night knowing that at least one highly intelligent (and I know this to be true since the trait is self-confessed) testosterone beset individual sees through this centuries old conspiracy to deceive the masses - Lenin was surely right here. Second, I stand in awe of the razor sharp mind that perceives the hideously gruesome nature of this brutal document of doubtful historical fact. You must have sat through a for-real college class where the learned professor opened your gifted mind with this precious nugget of immovable truth. Wow. Why inhibit your impulses when, clearly, you have so much to teach us benighted men of the cloth. Say on, sir, say on. We wait with bated breath.

With sincerity equal to that with which you wrote,
JK
39 posted on 12/22/2002 6:39:25 PM PST by JanKrtitel
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To: Temple Drake
What is driving men from church? What drives boys from school? Annoying, bossy GIRLS in charge.(And I am a girl, so I know.)

You ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the refreshing insight! :-)

40 posted on 12/22/2002 6:42:12 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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