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La Cucuracha...pass the RAID!
The Sierra Times - The War Room ^ | Dec. 21, 2002 | Henrietta Bowman

Posted on 12/23/2002 11:55:16 AM PST by madfly

I created the Sierra Times War Room message board at the request of J.J. Johnson one day after 9-11. In that time, I have only made one post that was posted in both the War Room and the Sagebrush Saloon, preferring to keep the two message boards separate as much as possible.

So, when I make that exception to my own rule, you can bet it is for a darned good reason! Yesterday, I read an article listed here from the L.A. Times entitled "Halt to Ariz. Citizen Border Patrols Urged" and there was something in it that literally made me see red and, as usual, to start checking out the money trail.

The comment was this: "It's not their job to defend, to harass people, stalk people, injure people. That's nobody's job," said Jennifer Allen, co-director of the Tucson-based Border Action Network. "They (illegal immigrants) have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

Today, I read a second article from the Tucson Citizen. This is the quote that set me off a second time: "If you shine the light on the cockroaches, they don't like it," Rep.-elect Raúl Grijalva says at a press conference yesterday in calling for an investigation of citizen patrols, which he says are racist.

Grijalva said this at a press conference hosted by Coalicion de Derechos Humanos, a group that advocates for illegal immigrants. Both groups were referring to the civilian militia groups springing up on the border that are dedicated to doing what the Feds refuse to do -- defend our borders against illegal aliens and terrorists.

While Border Action Network gets a major portion of its funding from the Norman Foundation, dedicated in its own words to countering right-wingers, the common denominator for both BAN and Coalicion de Derechos Humanos is Resist, Inc. and a raunchier group of Democratic Socialists would be darned hard to find!

Noam Chomsky and Benjamin Spock were founders of Resist, Inc. Check out their leadership and history listed on their site linked below. Radical is not the name for these folks. From tinkerbelles to Che Gueverra and SDS, these folks show the raised red fist. Oh, and a third funder is the ubiquitous Ben and Jerry's.

Border Action Network is the new name, minus the commie logo, of  Southwest Alliance to Resist Militarization (aka SWARM), but I guess that was just a tad militaristic sounding for these folks. I have done my civic duty and included their email addy for those of you wishing to sound off.

PLEASE
feel free to repost this.

Rep.-elect Raúl Grijalva,
I have put the Klieg lights on the REAL cockroaches...somebody hand me a can of RAID!

--Henrietta
http://www.borderaction.org/home.html
Border Action Network
PO Box 384
Tucson, Arizona 85702
520-623-4944
ban@BorderAction.org


http://www.resistmilitarization.org/contact.htm

Southwest Alliance to Resist Militarization
842 S. Sixth Ave
Tucson, Arizona 85701
520-623-4944
swarm@resistmilitarization.org  

http://www.resistinc.org/
Resist, Inc. -- Funding Grassroots Progressive Activist Radical Groups and Organizations Since 1967
Resist n. 1. An activist foundation that strives for social change and works against injustice. 2. A grantmaker for groups defending the rights of lesbians and gay men, workers, women, the poor, native people, people of color, the disabled, and immigrants. 3. A different kind of funding organization seeking out groups that withstand reactionary government policies, corporate arrogance, and right-wing fanaticism through organizing, education and action.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banfunding; citizenpatrols; demsocialists; grijalva; noamchomsky; normanfoundation; resistinc; shootthebastards; simcox
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I sure wouldn't want to make Henrietta mad!!!
1 posted on 12/23/2002 11:55:16 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
BTTT!
2 posted on 12/23/2002 11:58:04 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Free the USA; Luis Gonzalez; Tancredo Fan; Marine Inspector; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; Spiff; ...
I wasn't going to ping anyone until after the holidays. I just couldn't pass this one up. :=) zinger ping

With all respect, Feliz Navidad!

3 posted on 12/23/2002 12:00:20 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
The time for debate has nearly come to an end.
4 posted on 12/23/2002 12:00:33 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Admin Moderator
Before the title of this thread gets labeled racists, I would like to point out the context of its use, which might not be clear. It's a response to Congressman Grijalva's comments below:

Today, I read a second article from the Tucson Citizen. This is the quote that set me off a second time:

"If you shine the light on the cockroaches, they don't like it,"

Rep.-elect Raúl Grijalva says at a press conference yesterday in calling for an investigation of citizen patrols, which he says are racist.

Thank you and Merry Christmas!
5 posted on 12/23/2002 12:05:53 PM PST by madfly
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
I sent all 3 the Citizen Volunteer Groups a copy of this, for Christmas, lol.
6 posted on 12/23/2002 12:08:40 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
""They (illegal immigrants) have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

Apparently "our" elected officials agree with this.

7 posted on 12/23/2002 12:09:09 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: madfly
BTTT
8 posted on 12/23/2002 12:15:03 PM PST by occam's chainsaw
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ping
9 posted on 12/23/2002 12:20:22 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
How apt. Now the terms "Sierra Times" and "cockroach" will be inseparately, irrevocably linked in my mind.
10 posted on 12/23/2002 12:25:09 PM PST by strela
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11 posted on 12/23/2002 12:26:01 PM PST by madfly
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To: strela
I sometimes wonder if the good folk at Sierra Times are just clueless about how to present their arguments, or they're doing so under the sponsorship and direction of the DNC.
12 posted on 12/23/2002 12:26:55 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: strela
Why is that?
13 posted on 12/23/2002 12:27:16 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
"They (illegal immigrants) have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

Excuse me???? They are NOT Americans. Is that what this "person" really believes? Why do these people insist that foreigners in our country have the same rights as citizens? Wonder where she thinks ANYBODY's civil rights will be when there is no longer a country to defend.

14 posted on 12/23/2002 12:32:49 PM PST by sweetliberty
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To: madfly
Why is that?

(brightly) Why, because the words "cockroaches" and "Sierra Times" both appear in the article!

15 posted on 12/23/2002 12:33:25 PM PST by strela
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To: Poohbah
This isn't representative of their articles.

This is a woman sounding off on the War Room forum section of the site. And the comment's by Grijalva made her mad enough to dig up the goods on the "recently renamed" group, Border Action Network, who compiled a 20 page .pdf file for Grijalva to present to our Governor Elect (Napolitano) and Attorney General, calling for an investigation of the Citizen Patrol groups, when it's the group that compiled the report that has a lot more to hide, it seems, and should be investigated.


16 posted on 12/23/2002 12:38:27 PM PST by madfly
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To: Poohbah
I think the "breaking point" for me was the serious assertions that once appeared in a Sierra Times article that solemnly assured us that Tennessee state troopers had hundreds of automatic weapons trained on unsuspecting women and children at a recent tax protest. Of course, nobody could produce a photograph or any documentary evidence that this actually happened, and no retraction was ever run in Sierra Times.

The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

17 posted on 12/23/2002 12:41:00 PM PST by strela
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To: Poohbah; strela; madfly
I think you're wrong about the Sierra Times. Unless I'm mistaken, it's actually a pretty good paper, and really does present the REAL news. Don't confuse it with the Sierra CLUB. They'e the real bad news bears.
18 posted on 12/23/2002 12:47:20 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: holyscroller
See my Number 17 - its a true story. They've pretty much worn out the credulity envelope with me.
19 posted on 12/23/2002 12:51:39 PM PST by strela
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To: holyscroller; Poohbah; strela
I find them to be seekers of the truth. FreeRepublic links to them on the homepage. Freepers have published articles over there; Carry_Okie, nunyabidness are two that come to mind.

Anyhow, what's are your thoughts on this particular article, please, if we are done dancing around the topic.

20 posted on 12/23/2002 12:54:45 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
...said Jennifer Allen, co-director of the Tucson-based Border Action Network. "They (illegal immigrants) have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

I wonder if Allen would apply this same reasoning if the U.S. were to be invaded by a foreign army.

21 posted on 12/23/2002 12:58:56 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: madfly
wasn't going to ping anyone until after the holidays. I just couldn't pass this one up. :=) zinger ping

As far as I'm concerned, you can ping me w/ everything you have - I want as much info as I can get.

Thanks.

22 posted on 12/23/2002 1:03:04 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: madfly
bttt
23 posted on 12/23/2002 1:04:25 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: madfly
I find them to be seekers of the truth.

I find them to be an irresponsible source of hysterical quasi-"journalism."

FreeRepublic links to them on the homepage.

FreeRepublic also links to the Washington Post and Salon on the homepage. And just like them, I take anything published on Sierra Times with a big grain of salt.

Freepers have published articles over there; Carry_Okie, nunyabidness are two that come to mind.

Good for them. I just hope the check didn't bounce.

Anyhow, what's are your thoughts on this particular article, please, if we are done dancing around the topic.

Information about the so-called "Border Action Network" of the type so breathlessly reported in the Sierra Times article has been discussed, in great detail, in other FreeRepublic threads already.

Bottom line: Just like Sierra Times, the "Border Action Network" has major credibility problems. I wouldn't trust either as far as I could throw them.

24 posted on 12/23/2002 1:07:12 PM PST by strela
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping.
25 posted on 12/23/2002 1:08:39 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: strela
Information about the so-called "Border Action Network" of the type so breathlessly reported in the Sierra Times article has been discussed, in great detail, in other FreeRepublic threads already.

Yes, we've discussed the Border Action Network, but they went by a different name until they were asked to this report for Grijalva.

What hasn't been discussed is the source of their funding and the funding of Coalicion de Derechos Humanos which is indentified in the following paragraph of this fact filled article, unless you have a link to a thread to proove me wrong.

While Border Action Network gets a major portion of its funding from the Norman Foundation, dedicated in its own words to countering right-wingers, the common denominator for both BAN and Coalicion de Derechos Humanos is Resist, Inc. and a raunchier group of Democratic Socialists would be darned hard to find!

26 posted on 12/23/2002 1:22:04 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
What hasn't been discussed is the source of their funding and the funding of Coalicion de Derechos Humanos which is indentified in the following paragraph of this fact filled article, unless you have a link to a thread to proove me wrong.

All too easy. Check out Posts 27, 28, 32, and others of this thread.

27 posted on 12/23/2002 1:38:04 PM PST by strela
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To: strela
I found no mention of Resist Inc. on that thread.
28 posted on 12/23/2002 1:48:16 PM PST by madfly
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I think you two are like the famous railroad cartoon, where one rail meets and the other two don't...

I made comment 32 on the other thread...we have talked about the funding and political persuasion of these groups on FR...

But I haven't seen anything even approaching main stream media talk about their funding and politics.

I have seen 2 different Tucson TV News anchors fawn over Isabel Garcia and her ilk. It turns my stomach that she is an official with the Pima County Public Defender's Office.

HJ
29 posted on 12/23/2002 1:57:08 PM PST by HiJinx
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To: madfly
I found no mention of Resist Inc. on that thread.

Most Freepers know how to use a search engine, which would make it painfully obvious that the grandiloquently titled "Resist Inc." creates a grand total of a whopping three hits on Google. Oh yes, they have their own web site too. If you and/or Sierra Times wish to try to make a case that Resist Inc. is providing a significant amount of funding for BAN, then please do so.

I suspect that Resist Inc. hands out what amounts to little more than cabfare to its grantees and client agencies. If they do, hey its a free Internet.

30 posted on 12/23/2002 2:01:13 PM PST by strela
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To: HiJinx
I think you two are like the famous railroad cartoon, where one rail meets and the other two don't.

Interesting analogy, especially since the railroad tracks around here have only two rails. You must be a city boy ;)

I look on the "conversation" between madfly and myself like the Roadrunner and the Coyote. (meep meep)

I made comment 32 on the other thread...we have talked about the funding and political persuasion of these groups on FR.

Just curious - do you have an estimate of how much Resist Inc. is really handing out? Are we talking cabfare here or are we talking big green?

31 posted on 12/23/2002 2:08:37 PM PST by strela
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To: strela
Personally, I've never heard of Resist. I just did the Google search and looked at their home page. Looks kinda like a small cadre of people that link to other 'progressive' organizations.

I'm into fund-raising and giving away grants on a small scale, but my knowledge is limited.

On the other hand, I've been watching the Derechos Humanos activities as they've been reported on, and I'm not happy with what they're trying to do. That they wish to create a separate Mexican state out of CA, AZ, NM, and TX doesn't surprise me in the least. I'm just hoping people down here can see that coming...
32 posted on 12/23/2002 2:14:36 PM PST by HiJinx
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To: HiJinx
Personally, I've never heard of Resist. I just did the Google search and looked at their home page. Looks kinda like a small cadre of people that link to other 'progressive' organizations.

That was my impression as well. Hardly the type of situation where a deep-pockets organization like the so-called Pew "Charitable" Trust was found to be making substantial grants to BAN or the other ratbag organizations mentioned in the article.

Which was pretty much the gist of my original contention about Sierra Times - they are experts at trying to build a mountain out of what is probably the smallest molehill on the prairie. Others in this thread insisted on going down rabbit trails about them, so I had to oblige them.

I'm into fund-raising and giving away grants on a small scale, but my knowledge is limited.

Same here. But I think I can state with some confidence that Resist Inc. is not a major player in the grant biz. A website does not a major political presence make.

On the other hand, I've been watching the Derechos Humanos activities as they've been reported on, and I'm not happy with what they're trying to do.

Same here. Last time I checked, the "homeland" extended as far south as California, Texas, Arizona, etc. Where is the "homeland security" for these states?

33 posted on 12/23/2002 2:26:30 PM PST by strela
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To: strela
Ahhh, back to the crux of the matter! Homeland Security for these states resides in the formation of citizens' groups that patrol and protect property from trespassers and such.
34 posted on 12/23/2002 2:33:06 PM PST by HiJinx
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To: madfly
Thanks for this important post. Yep, as Deep Throat said to Woodward and Bernstein in the Watergate investigation, "Follow the money." Words and names can tell part of the truth of any situation, but the money flow always tells the truth.

Good work by her in digging this up. Good work by you in posting it.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest column on UPI, "Junk Science - Harvard and Beyond" (Up on UPI wire, and FR.)

Click for latest book, "to Restore Trust in America"

35 posted on 12/23/2002 2:34:32 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: HiJinx
Homeland Security for these states resides in the formation of citizens' groups that patrol and protect property from trespassers and such.

In my opinion, citizen involvement and vigilance is indeed an important part of homeland security. But it is not the only thing that needs to be done - government needs to perform one of its limited duties (in a sane society anyway) and "defend the homeland" against the miscreants coming over the borders.

"Fortress America" and political correctness no, tough immigration policies and sufficient manpower and resources to back them up, yes.

36 posted on 12/23/2002 2:41:28 PM PST by strela
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To: Congressman Billybob
Words and names can tell part of the truth of any situation, but the money flow always tells the truth.

What "money flow" are you referring to? These "Resist Inc" birds apparently scraped enough together from under seat cushions to pay for a slick web site, but that's about all I've heard about or seen from them.

I'd be a bit more worried about Resist Inc's involvement if it could be proven that their funding largesse amounted to more than the cost of a burger and fries.

37 posted on 12/23/2002 2:47:22 PM PST by strela
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To: strela
What the author is pointing out by mentioning Resist Inc. is not just their funding, however minimal, but more importantly, the long list of Democratic/Socialist groups on their grant list that includes Coalicion de Derechos Humanos.

On the Resist Inc. website, here is the description of SWARM. I can see why this group wouldn't want this description to pop up when handing over a request to Government to investigate the Citizen Patrols. This would also explain their name change to Border Action Network. Wouldn't look so good to be against our armed forces.

http://resistinc.org/

Southwest Alliance to Resist Militarization (SWARM) (Tucson, AZ) $2,000
swarmtucson@hotmail.com
Funding to support the campaign to Stop Joint Task Force 6,
which utilizes Army, Navy, Air Force,
Marine and National Guard personnel to
"fight the war on drugs" within the United States .

Coalicion de Derechos Humanos/Arizona Border Rights Project (Tucson, AZ)
(Salzman Memorial Fund Grant)
$2,000 for program addressing the militarization of the US/Mexican border, particularly the vigilante style actions of ranchers with large land holdings.

NORMAN FOUNDATION

Now here we find things all cleaned up. New name, new funding, new description, to go along with their scathing report full of lies, called
Hate or Heroism
Vigilantes on the Arizona-Mexico Border
December 2002

http://www.normanfdn.org/grants2002.html

Border Action Network $20,000.00
Tucson, AZ
Support of education activities on the impact of growing militarization of the US-Mexico border.

I'd be a bit more worried about Resist Inc's involvement if it could be proven that their funding largesse amounted to more than the cost of a burger and fries.

So whether they are getting enough funds to reserve a table at the Ritz or just barely enough for a Denny's combo, it's who they are dining with, or should I say in bed with, that should make one concerned.

38 posted on 12/23/2002 4:03:12 PM PST by madfly
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To: eye for an eye
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39 posted on 12/23/2002 4:13:40 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: strela
I look on the "conversation" between madfly and myself like the Roadrunner and the Coyote. (meep meep)

Lol, we have to be careful when using the word "Coyote" on these threads, as we found out yesterday. :)

(she posted to provide some comic relief . . .)

40 posted on 12/23/2002 4:23:44 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Tks
41 posted on 12/23/2002 4:31:04 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: madfly
So whether they are getting enough funds to reserve a table at the Ritz or just barely enough for a Denny's combo, it's who they are dining with, or should I say in bed with, that should make one concerned.

I agree it is a matter for some concern. However, the Pew Charitable Trusts, CBSs, Saban Entertainments, NBCs, AFSCMEs, ABCs, CNNs, unions, etc. dole out a heck of a lot more money to groups like these than this "Resist Inc." outfit apparently does. Should we expend our time, talent, and treasure squashing a bug crawling across the floor while forgetting about the pack of wild bears stalking us?

42 posted on 12/23/2002 4:43:03 PM PST by strela
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To: madfly
Lol, we have to be careful when using the word "Coyote" on these threads

That was a mean-spirited comparison I made, and I'm sorry that I did it. Sarcasm is a poor tool for persuasion, and persuasion is something I try to do as best I can.

43 posted on 12/23/2002 4:45:31 PM PST by strela
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To: madfly
Here is the logo of S.W.A.R.M. which is now known as B.A.N. (Border Action Network):

Here are pictures from a march held by Coalicion de Derechos Humanos in which SWARM/BAN participated. This march was held in Nogales, Sonora (what they called Nogales, Aztlan) on October 12th, 2002. Notice the red flags, the armed Aztlan warrior banner, and the banner bearing the image of a Mexican woman breaking the chains on her wrists with the body of a dead white woman behind her.







You decide what you think these groups are up to, who their sponsors are, and what their politics are. As for me, I know they are the enemy.

44 posted on 12/23/2002 5:10:49 PM PST by Spiff
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To: madfly
Mejicans refer to a cockroach as "una cucaracha".
45 posted on 12/23/2002 5:51:22 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
like in one cockroach...una, dos, tres cucarachos? no offense.
46 posted on 12/23/2002 5:56:42 PM PST by madfly
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To: Spiff


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Led by Pima County public defender, Isabel Garcia, Derechos Humanos clearly demonstrates that it is advancing Mexico's goal of the "Conquest of Aztlan."

47 posted on 12/23/2002 6:11:47 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Bumping this to the top.
48 posted on 12/23/2002 6:26:18 PM PST by Bullish
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To: strela
LOL ......Common Sense Post. Hope ya have a Merry Christmas and the New Year is good to you and yours.

Stay Safe !

50 posted on 12/23/2002 7:04:09 PM PST by Squantos
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