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The missing sun temples! (Where are they?)
Al-Ahram Weekly (Egypt) ^ | 2 - 8 January 2003 | Jill Kamil

Posted on 01/03/2003 3:59:47 PM PST by vannrox

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To: JRandomFreeper
Well, I actually lost it in a game of chance....
21 posted on 01/03/2003 7:35:35 PM PST by theDentist
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To: ckilmer
I have a better question.

Why before this sudden fixation on the Sun and the Moon was the chief god of almost all religions SATURN????

In many of these religions the Sun and Moon are not even part of their pantheon of gods.

Strange.
22 posted on 01/03/2003 8:35:28 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker
beats me.

I'm not sufficient familiar with the gods of the period to speculate

but it sounds like you are...

why don't you take a shot at answering your question.
23 posted on 01/03/2003 9:21:36 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Swordmaker
Did you say Saturn?? Need to look up the Saturnists at http://www.kronia.com/ and other places. Have fun! Be prepared to be called a kook, though. Personally, I think Immanuel Velikovsky was real close to the truth of the matter of ancient mythology...
24 posted on 01/03/2003 9:30:54 PM PST by Lafayette
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To: Lafayette
another possibility is that there were distubances out beyond the outer planets that brought gangs of comets into the inner solar system. ancient men might have noticed that these comets came and went in the night sky at regular intervals.

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc072798.html


(4) NEW IMPLICATIONS FOR A TAURID METEOROID SWARM

D.J. Asher*) and K. Izumi: Meteor observations in Japan: New
implications for a Taurid meteoroid swarm. MONTHLY NOTICES OF THE
ROYAL ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY, 1998, Vol.297, No.1, pp.23-27

*) COMMUN RES LABS, 893-1 HIRAI, KASHIMA, IBARAKI 3140012, JAPAN

Observational evidence is sought that the long-term (10(4) yr) action
of a mean motion resonance with Jupiter can produce structure in a
meteoroid stream, concentrating meteoroids in a dense swarm. More
specifically, predictions tabulated by Asher & Clube of enhanced
meteor and fireball activity from a Taurid Complex swarm in the 7:2
resonance are compared with observational data collected in Japan
over several decades. The swarm model was proposed for reasons
independent of the observations analysed here, and these newly
considered data are shown to be consistent with it. This allows
increased confidence in the Taurid swarm theory, and more generally
could mean that resonant trapping is a dynamical mechanism affecting
a significant amount of meteoroidal material in the inner Solar
system.
25 posted on 01/03/2003 9:41:09 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: Lafayette
Did you say Saturn?? Need to look up the Saturnists at and other places. Have fun! Be prepared to be called a kook, though. Personally, I think Immanuel Velikovsky was real close to the truth of the matter of ancient mythology...

Actually, I am a subscriber to their e-newsletter and am in the process of writing, with a co-writer, a series of Science Fiction books based in part on the Saturn theory. I find more and more corroboration the more I look.

26 posted on 01/03/2003 10:32:02 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: vannrox
THE PYRAMID OF HELLENICON
27 posted on 01/03/2003 11:33:40 PM PST by Orion78
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To: ruoflaw
Akahenton was 18 dynasty... he worshiped only the Sun God...

Ethereal Explorations II

To the pagan Egyptians, the pharaohs were gods. Each had their own special privileges of divinity. The pagan Egyptians had their own pantheon of gods like the pagan Greeks, several of which the Greeks adopted. (Set and Typhon are convenient examples.) The pagan Egyptians were also idolaters like the Greeks; their temples, architecture and art are replete with sacred idols. They both practiced human sacrifice. (These practices extended to the pagan Romans as well.) Is Oedipus representative of the pharaoh Akhnaton?

The parallels to the story of Oedipus and to the pharaoh Akhnaton are remarkable. Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky ignited some historical debate that is yet to be resolved by historians concerning the chronology of the reign of Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton). The actual dates of history are fluid since we know about so little, except for the artifacts and remnants of literature left behind. However, as the debate rages, Oedipus and Akhnaton; Myth and History shows some compelling ideas related to the topic.

Akhnaton effaced all of his father’s names from the records, in the temples, and changed his name. To the Egyptians this destruction of someone’s name was akin to murdering their soul, robbing them of their eternity.

One of Sigmund Freud’s earlier followers, Karl Abraham, contributed an essay to the first volume of Imago, published by Freud in 1912, entitled Amenhotep IV (Akhnaton). This was of interest in that the essay talks about how Akhnaton did not entomb his mother Tiy next to her husband after her death, and that Akhnaton’s rivalry with his father for possession of his mother extended beyond death.

Velikovsky goes farther to say that Akhnaton actually did possess his mother. But, ignoring this, focus on the figurative implication:

In this connection it is interesting that Oedipus, whose parentage is regularly ascribed to Laius, is also called in some ancient sources the son of Helios (sun i).1 Oedipus’ descent from Laius is a vital element in the legend; such an unmotivated change in the parentage of the legendary hero seems strange but is understandable if the prototype of the legendary hero was Akhnaton.

A royal son and descendent of the god Ra, like other pharaohs before him, his claim to divinity soon demanded an equality with his father, Aton, the sun.i

"Thou art an eternity like the Aten, beautiful like the Aten who gave him being, Nefer-kheperu-ra (Akhnaton), who fashions mankind and gives existence to generations. He is fixed as the heaven in which Aten is."2

So wrote his foreign minister in a panegyric to the king. Next Akhnaton insisted that he had created himself, like Ra. Of Ra-Amon it was said he was the "husband of his mother." The "favorite concrete expression for a self-existent or self created being (was) ‘husband of his mother.’"3

He claimed to be Ra-Aton, and in this spirit he also took over his father’s name, Nebmare (Neb maatre), as if he himself was his own father. (Velikovsky, p 71-72)

1. "Auch ein Helios wurde als Vater des Oedipus genannt." L.W. Daly’ in Pauly-Wissowa, Real- Encyclopädie der classichen Altertumswissenschaft, article "Oedipus," Vol. XVII, Col. 2108. Cf. Also W.H. Roscher, Ausführliches Lexikon der griechischen und römischen Mythologie, article "Oedipus" by O. Höfer, Vol. III, Cols. 703, 708.

2. The Tomb of Tutu (Davies, the Rock Tombs of el-Amarna, VI, 13).

3. W.M. Flinders Petrie, Egyptian Tales (XVIII-XIX Dynasties) (1895), pp. 125-126. More properly translated "bull of his mother."

Dr. Velikovsky is not without critics, but his assertions are most profound. I attribute much of this to the ancient conflict between the pagan and the Judaic that still rages (even from within Judaism itself: The Rise Of Tikkun Olam Paganism)

Behold, I am Set, the creator of confusion, who creates both the tempest and the storm throughout the length and breadth of the heavens. (Naville, p. 39)

Naville, Edouard, trans. Egyptian Book of the Dead of the XVIII to XX Dynasties, Berlin, 1886.

Velikovsky, Immanuel. Oedipus and Akhnaten; Myth and History. New York: Doubleday, 1960

28 posted on 01/04/2003 1:24:21 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Lafayette
I think Immanuel Velikovsky was real close to the truth of the matter of ancient mythology...

I read his book Oedipus and Akhnaton; Myth and History. (See #28). I am intensely interested in topics like the ones here.

Wow, there are still people actually think about this stuff?

29 posted on 01/04/2003 1:47:33 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Swordmaker
I am a subscriber to their e-newsletter and am in the process of writing, with a co-writer, a series of Science Fiction books based in part on the Saturn theory. I find more and more corroboration the more I look.

If you find some interesting titles, Ping or FReep mail me. Not enough people read and write these days. (see #28)

30 posted on 01/04/2003 2:06:40 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Carry_Okie
Research ping...
31 posted on 01/04/2003 2:15:15 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: ckilmer
Five thousand years ago people started looking up

That was one of the most brilliantly put points I've read. Beautifully describing why speculation about any extra-terrestrial basis behind the pyramids is insulting to the sheer ingenuity of mankind that built those structures.
32 posted on 02/04/2004 7:54:19 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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Blast from the past. Thanks VannRox. :')
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33 posted on 12/28/2004 5:22:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I didn't do it.


34 posted on 12/28/2004 5:59:23 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: BenLurkin

Oh, sure, I suppose you were 'out of town when it happened', right? ;')


35 posted on 12/28/2004 6:17:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: Young Werther
Might a search of these images be fruitful?

Surprising we don't hear more of these. Might have to do with the present Antiquities Admin of Egypt.

36 posted on 12/28/2004 6:37:54 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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37 posted on 04/26/2006 2:11:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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I opt for the hidden in plain site theory.


38 posted on 04/26/2006 2:33:30 AM PDT by raygun
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