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Just how Pro-Life is Rhode Island?

Posted on 01/04/2003 7:28:58 AM PST by No Dems 2004

I'm not particularly good with Rhode Island politics, largely because I haven't been all that interested in one of the nation's most Democratic states. After all, Bush lost Rhode Island to Gore by 61%-32%, his widest loss in any state. Bob Dole hobbled away with about 27% of the state's vote in 1996. In light of margins like these, it's easy to assume that this state is no different from San Francisco.

But, what's very interesting is that the state has quite a strong pro-life presence.

Don Carcieri, a strongly pro-life Republican (endorsed by pro-life groups) was elected in Rhode Island's open gubernatorial race by a margin of 55%-45% in 2002. Carcieri also vowed to veto any attempt to legalise homosexual marriage. I had mistakenly thought that he was a RINO (Republican In Name Only).

But, even more interesting than this, is the fact that there are quite a few pro-life Democrats in the state. Rhode Island's second congressional district is occupied by Jim Langevin, a pro-life Democrat. His predecessor, Robert Weygand, was also pro-life and was nominated to run against RINO Senator Lincoln Chafee in 2000. Chafee won, but Weygand still received 41% of the vote, not bad considering the strength of the Chafee family name.

I'll conclude my discourse with the following quote from a publication I found:

"The National Democratic Party’s unwavering pro-choice position could alienate a vital core of the party’s supporters, two pro-life Democrats said in a Monday night lecture.

The discussion featured U.S. Reps. David Carlin, D-R.I., and Catherine Graziano, D-R.I., both members of Democrats for Life of America, an organization of pro-life Democrats.

Carlin said the purpose of the talk was not to make an argument for the pro-life position. He focused instead on the political consequences that the NDP could face if it continues to “alienate democratic voters by their intolerance of pro-life opinions.”

He said the NDP is “insulting” the opinions of many of its pro-life constituents, including Catholics, by silencing pro-life Democrats. The Republican Party, in comparison, despite its close ties to the pro-life movement, is more tolerant of dissenting pro-choice views, Carlin and Graziano said.

They expressed concern that such intolerance would undermine the NDP’s strength, making it the United States’ “secondary political party” in the future.

Carlin attributed the growing Republican base in the United States to the NDP’s rigidity on the pro-choice issue. He said if this trend continues, eventually the Democratic Party will lose the core of its voting constituency.

As a remedy, the NDP needs to allow different viewpoints within the party, Carlin said.

Dana DeBoeuf, a lobbyist for Rhode Island Right to Life, said Rhode Island is an unusual state in terms of the high number of Democrats supporting the pro-life stance.

Graziano added that in the Rhode Island Legislature, which is largely Democratic, bills such as the “Safe Haven Bill” garnered sufficient support to be passed. The bill made abandoning a baby a felony, and gave new parents the opportunity to bring their baby to a safe house, which includes hospitals, clinics and fire departments, without fear of facing charges.

Graziano cited this legislation as one success that Democrats for Life enjoys in Rhode Island.

Several audience members questioned the pragmatism of Democrats adopting a pro-life stance when more than 50 percent of the U.S. population support a pro-choice agenda.

Carlin maintained the issue was salient enough that it could affect election outcomes, and is something the Democrats need to acknowledge.

The issue of abortion may have caused the Republican wins during the last presidential election, Graziano said."

I've heard that Rhode Island is the most Catholic state in the US, which I presume plays a large role.

Does anybody have anything to add on this?


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Would love to hear everyone's comments on the above.
1 posted on 01/04/2003 7:28:58 AM PST by No Dems 2004
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To: No Dems 2004
I've heard that Rhode Island is the most Catholic state in the US . . .

Correct, at least quite recently.

Scroll down for "Top 10 U.S. States with Most Catholics, 1990."

2 posted on 01/04/2003 7:41:20 AM PST by dighton
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To: No Dems 2004
Abortion is legal and available in Rhode Island, as in every other state. The governor can't shut them down, no matter how pro-life he is. It's an issue of federal law.

Now, get these people to vote Bush in '04 and maybe we can get him a mandate to appoint pro-life judges and reverse Roe V. Wade, then supposedly pro-life states like RI can outlaw abortion.

3 posted on 01/04/2003 8:27:13 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: Batrachian
"Abortion is legal and available in Rhode Island, as in every other state. The governor can't shut them down, no matter how pro-life he is. It's an issue of federal law."

Believe me, I know that no pro-life governor anywhere can overturn Roe vs Wade. I do hope you didn't count me for being that ignorant.

But the point I'm making is that it seems quite remarkable Rhode Island would elect a pro-life governor (he can have an influence on various bits of legislation). The Northeast doesn't have a big reputation for electing pro-life governors, and that's my point. What I'm trying to ascertain is just how deep this pro-life movement is in Rhode Island.
4 posted on 01/04/2003 8:57:46 AM PST by No Dems 2004
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To: No Dems 2004; Batrachian
"Abortion is legal and available in Rhode Island, as in every other state. The governor can't shut them down, no matter how pro-life he is. It's an issue of federal law."

Believe me, I know that no pro-life governor anywhere can overturn Roe vs Wade. I do hope you didn't count me for being that ignorant.

Actually, this is untrue. All Supreme Court decisions purporting to make abortion "legal" are null, because it is impossible to make murder legal anywhere, anytime. What a governor cannot do is stop abortion in his state without precipitating a crisis. That's entirely different from being unable to stop abortion.

5 posted on 01/04/2003 9:39:04 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: No Dems 2004
RI may be the most catholic but it also has the highest percentage of households where the total IQ of the occupants doesn't add up to the thermostat setting.

Nothing positive will ever happen in RI.
It is a place that started out poorly and has managed to sink lower every year.

Such a shame. It would be a nice place if you got everyone who lives there to move.
6 posted on 01/04/2003 10:12:37 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: No Dems 2004
Spent a year in Rogue Island. Very Catholic...very blue-collar. Heavy-duty union presence.

Interesting, though: VJ Day* is still a state holiday!

*Victory over Japan for those of you in Rio Linda.

7 posted on 01/04/2003 11:19:12 AM PST by paddles
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To: No Dems 2004
I've often said it, and I'll say it again: the only hope for pro-lifers in much of New England is the Democratic party. This is true in Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island, at least. Republicans there are totally worthless RINOs on not only social conservative issues, but other issues as well. Conservatives should think twice and examine the candidates' records in those states before reflexively voting Republican.
8 posted on 01/04/2003 12:40:41 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier
"Republicans there are totally worthless RINOs on not only social conservative issues, but other issues as well. Conservatives should think twice and examine the candidates' records in those states before reflexively voting Republican."

Except Don Carcieri, I guess.
9 posted on 01/04/2003 1:14:11 PM PST by No Dems 2004
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To: No Dems 2004
We need Catholic Conservatives in the GOP in these states to win these elections ... RINOs and the rich wimp republicans are the leftovers of the WASP culture, and their pathetic vote totals reflect how small a minority WASPs have become in New England.

Note the name of the Republican who won in Rhode Island, a nice ethnic name. :-)
10 posted on 01/04/2003 1:33:46 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Arthur McGowan
Don't quibble. We both know what the realities of the situation are.
12 posted on 01/04/2003 1:44:47 PM PST by Batrachian
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To: No Dems 2004
"But the point I'm making is that it seems quite remarkable Rhode Island would elect a pro-life governor"

How much of an issue did he make of abortion in his election? I suspect he never even mentioned it, certainly did not make a major issue of it. If it was a referendum on abortion he would have lost. This is still the Northeast, after all.

Of course, I'm just guessing. The only thing I know about Rhode Island is that it is small and has that big blue bug in Providence.

13 posted on 01/04/2003 1:58:37 PM PST by Batrachian
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To: No Dems 2004
Good post, the election of pro-life governors in Rhode Island and Vermont were big victories in 2002. It should be noted that Carcieri is also fiscally conservative and pro-business.

Regarding Weygard, the Chafee opponent, in their debates he wasn't entirely pro-life, I don't think, but did support some limits, and highlighted his opposition to partial birth abortion, which Chafee defended!

Conservatives should stick to their guns and run folks who are real, blue-collar people and small businessmen, for office, instead of elitist twits like that pro-abortion Snowe aide who lost to blue collar pro-life Mike Michaud in ME-2.

14 posted on 01/04/2003 2:12:32 PM PST by JohnnyZ
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To: No Dems 2004
Good post, the election of pro-life governors in Rhode Island and Vermont were big victories in 2002. It should be noted that Carcieri is also fiscally conservative and pro-business.

Regarding Weygard, the Chafee opponent, in their debates he wasn't entirely pro-life, I don't think, but did support some limits, and highlighted his opposition to partial birth abortion, which Chafee defended!

Conservatives should stick to their guns and run folks who are real, blue-collar people and small businessmen, for office, instead of elitist twits like that pro-abortion Snowe aide who lost to blue collar pro-life Mike Michaud in ME-2.

15 posted on 01/04/2003 2:12:33 PM PST by JohnnyZ
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To: No Dems 2004
Interesting article. However, I would always question if a Dem was pro-life. The national party is so overwhelmingly pro-abortion (Ann Coulter has even "suggested" renaming the party the Abortion party since they are so steadfast in their support of abortion). It is always an interesting race if a Rep is for abortion and the Dem is for life.
16 posted on 01/04/2003 3:39:09 PM PST by votelife
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To: dighton; No Dems 2004
Great link, thanks..

No dems, I think most freepers know what RINO's are : )

It's a shame that the top 5 Catholic states have a primarily Democrat and or Pro abortion governor and senators in office.

http://www.nccbuscc.org/prolife/gospel.htm Good link for Catholic Voters and Politicians.

http://www.dailycatholic.org/hhsengov.htm

http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Mar/house.htm

Sign Petition


http://www.cathfam.org/cfexcom/Excom.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743299/posts





17 posted on 01/04/2003 4:45:11 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus
One other thing in evaluating the life issue is that some politicians will claim to be pro-life, but aren't...Mary Landrieu, anyone? The tough choice is sometimes, but rarely, btw a pro-choice Rep who will confirm judges and a pro-life Dem, who might not...or a pro life Dem, but who will vote for leadership which won't allow a vote on a pro-life judge.
18 posted on 01/04/2003 5:27:39 PM PST by votelife
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To: votelife
Yes, I agree.

I know one thing George Bush won't be getting my vote in 2004 unless he CHANGES his ways regarding abortion and school vouchers and 2nd amendment issues--hopefully with this new Seanat and Senate Majority Leader, he will!! No, I won't be voting demonrat probably for Keyes or a third-party conservative. I'm getting really tired of phoney republicans.

BUSH appoints 5 PRO ABORTION Judges in NJ

http://www.northjersey.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?id=5670854
______________________________________________________________________
New US Senate President, Bill Frist (R.-Tenn.), a Major Shareholder in Reputed For-Profit Abortion Provider

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/12-23-02/jeffrey.htm

and supports stem-cell research, read last paragraph:

http://frist.senate.gov/testbed/press-item.cfm/hurl/id=183224

and

Senator Frist, R-TN championed confirmation
of pro-abortion Satcher,

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30100

Bush isn't really pro life.

President Bush Appoints 5 Pro-Abortion Judges to the Federal Bench in NJ.

http://www.northjersey.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?id=5670854

Bush Funds Abortion Overseas
http://www.covenantnews.com/bortvote.htm#link

The Bush Family Secret
http://www.all.org/news/bushad2.pdf
A Catholic Response to Bush's Stem Cell Decision
http://www.all.org/abac/rf001.htm
http://www.all.org/issues/broken.htm
Do We Have A Pro-Life President?
http://www.all.org/celebrate_life/cl0107d.htm
http://www.house.gov/burton/RSC/word/Akin.PDF
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0210.htm
other
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0103.htm
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0205.pdf
http://www.all.org/issues/scanalyz.htm

Bush funds 'Faith-Based Condom Religion'
Bush OK's NY Medicaid Plan For Contraceptives
http://www.all.org/stopp/st021004.htm

Bush Advances Legacy Of Bad Decisions,
Broken Promises And Dead Babies
http://www.all.org/news/020709.htm

Bush's gay-friendly judicial nominees...
Log Cabin Republicans Ease Intolerance
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14141

Planned Parenthood started out as an organization to enhance the eugenics movement and to kill off the minorities.

http://blackgenocide.org/planned.html
http://www.blackgenocide.org/negro.html

Stop Planned Parenthood
http://www.all.org/stopp/

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=planned+parenthood&sp-a=sp0611bd00&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-d=custom&sp-date-range=-1&sp-start-month=0&sp-start-day=0&sp-start-year=&sp-end-month=0&sp-end-day=0&sp-end-year=&sp-f=iso-8859-1
19 posted on 01/04/2003 5:52:10 PM PST by Coleus
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To: No Dems 2004
>> Don Carcieri, a strongly pro-life Republican (endorsed by pro-life groups) was elected in Rhode Island's open gubernatorial race by a margin of 55%-45% in 2002. Carcieri also vowed to veto any attempt to legalize homosexual marriage <<

You mean a social CONSERVATIVE actually WON statewide in Rhode Island?!

This is news! I wonder how the heck that happened in socialist New England (note the that "Republican" Senator from RI only won by running to the LEFT of his 'RAT opponent). One wonders if an awakening is occuring in New England and they are reverting back to the Coolidge Conservativism that they abandoned decades ago.

If we can rebuild the New-England/Mid-west Republican co-alition of the early 20th century, we can thwart the efforts of the 'RATs to win future Presidential elections by running folksy southern governors in the Carter/Clinton mold...

20 posted on 01/04/2003 8:21:24 PM PST by BillyBoy
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