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Ditka: Smoke won't hurt you
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 10, 2003 | FRAN SPIELMAN

Posted on 01/10/2003 7:41:00 PM PST by Max McGarrity

Secondhand smoke "might make your hair smell," but it's not a proven health risk, Bears-coach-turned-restaurant-owner Mike Ditka said Thursday, leading the charge against a proposed restaurant smoking ban in Chicago.

With a cigar in one hand and a drink in the other, Ditka said his steelworker father was living proof that it's baloney for medical experts to claim that exposing a restaurant employee to an eight-hour shift's worth of secondhand smoke is the equivalent of smoking a half a pack of cigarettes.

"My dad smoked four packs of Luckies from the time he was 12 until the time he was 60. He lived to 80. He died of hardening of the arteries. He didn't die from what smoking caused. He worked in the steel mill where every morning, you woke up and there was half an inch of soot on the cars," Ditka said.

"People who have survived in industrial areas of our country late into their 80s and 90s have inhaled more smoke than all the smoking in the world can give you. I find it hard to believe that people try to shove the secondhand smoke theory down your throat because I don't believe it. I don't believe it even hurts you. It might make your hair smell a little bit, but that's about it."

Ditka said he has nothing against Ald. Edward M. Burke (14th), the City Council's leading anti-smoking crusader. He simply believes the restaurant business would "suffer tremendously" if Burke and Health Committee Chairman Ed Smith (28th) persuaded their colleagues to ban smoking in restaurants and bars.

"These people who are popping off and throwing their weight around better open up their eyes and understand that you've got freedoms in America. If you don't want to come in this restaurant, don't come in. If you don't want to go where people smoke, don't go. They run the City Council. Let the people down here run the restaurants," Da Coach said.

Reminded that smoking has been banned for years in California restaurants and bars, Ditka said: "That's fruits and nuts. That's what they are. A lot of liberals. . .. All the do-gooders in the world. The people in California who abolished smoking are the same people who want to legalize marijuana. Come on. Give me a break."

At a Health Committee meeting earlier this week, restaurant owners attempted to slow the anti-smoking steamroller.

They warned that a Chicago-only restaurant smoking ban would send customers fleeing to the suburbs and prompt conventions to move elsewhere. They argued the ban would create an enforcement nightmare, with confrontations between tip-seeking servers and their customers.

Mayor Daley sympathized, called for more City Council hearings on the controversy and backed away from his earlier endorsement of a restaurant smoking ban.

On Thursday, restaurant employees held a news conference at Ditka's Restaurant, 100 E. Chestnut, to reiterate those arguments and pile on a few more.

"This city is rich in character--full of taverns, neighborhood joints, steakhouses and family restaurants. A smoking ban would completely expunge that character. It would absolutely reduce this city to another generic, dime-a-dozen, two-bit town," said Glenn Garlisch, a waiter at the Chicago Chop House, 60 W. Ontario.


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1 posted on 01/10/2003 7:41:01 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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2 posted on 01/10/2003 7:43:43 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Max McGarrity
What is it was like, Ditka against a bunch of pencil-neck santi-smoking fascists? Da Bearsss!
3 posted on 01/10/2003 7:49:15 PM PST by eno_
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To: Max McGarrity
My cousin died from lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke. Her smoker husband is still alive in his 60's.

I was sick every winter when my mother smoked. I haven't had bronchitis since I left home.

There's more to the smoking/health equation than one person's anecdotal evidence. If they want customers for the restaurant, they should have a non-smoking section. Some people don't want to pay to stink, and others don't want to deal with the health issues.

A simple, free-market situation ...
4 posted on 01/10/2003 7:56:41 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: eno_
Ditka for President!
5 posted on 01/10/2003 8:00:32 PM PST by VMI70
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To: *puff_list; Gabz; Just another Joe; SheLion; lockjaw02
When Mayor Daly first floated the idea of a smoking ban in Chicago, Mike Ditka was quoted as opposing it.

The cigar-chomping former coach has granted television interviews defending smokers' rights. He has even wondered aloud why smokers have to suffer just because Ald. Edward Burke (14th), the City Council's leading anti-smoking crusader, has a "bug up his butt."

Antis, of course, squealed like stuck pigs, saying Ditka was a "shill for the tobacco industry" and that he "won't stand up for the little guy, especially those who are getting killed working in restaurants."

We know Mike Ditka will be the target of massive, deceptive pr campaigns, they'll try to get the ban statewide to make a "level playing field," and they'll fly in Stan-the-Sham Glantz to "prove" how successful such bans have been in Kookiefornia with his fudged statistics and doctored data. I'd like to see that Ditka has the facts to back him up as well as letting him know we appreciate his support. No one else with any clout has been so vocal.

The address for his restaurant is:

Mike Ditka's Restaurant
100 E Chestnut St
Chicago, IL 60611-6036
Phone: (312) 587-8989
Fax: (312) 587-8980
6 posted on 01/10/2003 8:06:35 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: Max McGarrity
Well, I guess I was wrong. All this time, I've been saying that these idiot smoke nazis were so enslaved by their addiction that they didn't care who they poisoned or offended.

Now, they come up with this persuasive, scientific proof. If Ditka says it's OK, that is as close to proof as these idiots are going to get.

He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

The smoke nazis refuse to recognize how annoying their addiction is and their name calling isn't going to change that. They claim that since they got there first, they can burn what they want. That's facist thinking. But, they have an authority like Ditka backing them and they know how important that is.

As you drive around Chicago, please be kind to the little groups of people huddled outside buildings, off to the side. That is the smokers' ghetto, where poor people, too weak to over come their terrible addiction, go to smoke and talk about the fine support they're getting from Ditka. Freeze your a** off, you stupid smoker!

7 posted on 01/10/2003 8:08:22 PM PST by Tacis
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To: Tax-chick
I won't address your family history, but even you say there's more to it than "one person's anecdotal evidence."

I will agree with you completely that there is a very simple solution: Let the free market work; keep government out of private business.
8 posted on 01/10/2003 8:10:26 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: Tax-chick
Ditka made his point clear: if you don't like smoke, don't come to his restaraunt...

if you believe it is dangerous, dont go there- dont pass laws telling him he has to do what YOU believe

9 posted on 01/10/2003 8:12:00 PM PST by Mr. K
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To: Max McGarrity
Reminded that smoking has been banned for years in California restaurants and bars, Ditka said: "That's fruits and nuts. That's what they are. A lot of liberals. . .. All the do-gooders in the world. The people in California who abolished smoking are the same people who want to legalize marijuana. Come on. Give me a break."

Hahahhaahaaa, Ditka not only kicks ass, he makes sense!

10 posted on 01/10/2003 8:13:41 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (When life gives you lemons, order a bottle of Tequila and some salt)
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To: Tax-chick
"My cousin died from lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke"

Sorry for your loss. I too had severe allergies and was in and out of the hospital for several years between ages of 2-5. After my father died my mom married a smoker who insisted on smoking around me. My allergies cleared and I haven't suffered from them since. I'm 49 now and don't smoke, I know second hand is benign. Your cousin's cancer was caused by something other than second hand smoke,

11 posted on 01/10/2003 8:14:53 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Max McGarrity
Let the free market work; keep government out of private business.

There it is! Let smokers have their place; let nonsmokers have theirs. It seems to me, from what I see in the market where I live, that the free market will accommodate both segments.

Admittedly, this doesn't help 10-year-olds with bronchitis every winter. It would be responsible if their parents recognized their responsiblities.

12 posted on 01/10/2003 8:15:34 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Tacis
tacis, were you born a jerk or did you have to work at it?

He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

He does NOT run a "public place," he runs a PRIVATE BUSINESS! Your freedom is not to enter. If you do enter, it's Ditka's "air," not yours.

The smoke nazis refuse to recognize how annoying their addiction is and their name calling isn't going to change that.

Smoke is not nearly as annoying or offensive and you and your kind, at least to normal people. And YOUR name calling isn't going to change that.

Freeze your a** off, you stupid smoker!

You're such a shining example of your kind. Bet you failed your IQ test.

13 posted on 01/10/2003 8:18:15 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: VMI70
Ditka for President!

Hell I'd vote for him! Ditka in 2008!!!! Can you imagine a debate between him and Hitlery????

14 posted on 01/10/2003 8:18:46 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (When life gives you lemons, order a bottle of Tequila and some salt)
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To: Tacis
Find the logical flaw in my tagline, and I might bother to listen to your statist rants.

Truth to tell, both are of equal value. Doubleplusgood.

15 posted on 01/10/2003 8:19:08 PM PST by patton (Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)
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To: Tax-chick
My cousin died from lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke. Her smoker husband is still alive in his 60's. I was sick every winter when my mother smoked. I haven't had bronchitis since I left home. There's more to the smoking/health equation than one person's anecdotal evidence. If they want customers for the restaurant, they should have a non-smoking section. Some people don't want to pay to stink, and others don't want to deal with the health issues. A simple, free-market situation ...

The above is internally inconsistent - that is, you contradict your own reasoning.

Did I miss something?

16 posted on 01/10/2003 8:21:01 PM PST by patton (Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)
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To: Mr. K
I agree with you! Businesses should make their own choices, based on their marketing plan.

That doesn't make Mike Ditka a medical expert. Exposure to cigarette smoke does harm some people who aren't smokers. And sometimes doesn't harm people who ARE smokers.

Our country is in a muddle because we've lost the concept of personal responsibility. (But I still asked Mom to smoke outside, not around the kids, until she quite in the 90's.)
17 posted on 01/10/2003 8:21:19 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Tax-chick
Quit being nasty, it doesn't work.
18 posted on 01/10/2003 8:22:24 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (When life gives you lemons, order a bottle of Tequila and some salt)
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To: SheLion
Good evening. Niconazi alert.
19 posted on 01/10/2003 8:24:05 PM PST by patton (Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)
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To: patton
I guess (my fault!) you missed my point, which was that cigarette smoke, or any other toxin, affects different people in different ways. So any generalizations, whether it's Mike Ditka's "Cigarette smoke won't hurt you!" or the tobacco nazis' line, are not applicable to everyone.
20 posted on 01/10/2003 8:24:53 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity. Whether that customer is playing a radio at max volume, burning strong incense, burning tire chunks or burning tobacco, he does not have the right to take my freedom.

He owns a PRIVATE business. You do not have the right to inflict your whining little pansy beliefs on anyone else. You can either stay home in your HEPA filtered sterile environment or go to a different restaurant if you don't like smoke. I don't, haven't ever, and will not ever smoke but you anti-smoking NAZIS make me want to puke.
21 posted on 01/10/2003 8:26:50 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Max McGarrity
Ditka's right. Some years ago the socialists (commies) at the World Health Organization did a long-term study trying to find evidence of the negative health effects of second-hand smoke. When no such evidence was found the report was completely suppressed. It was in the news for a day or so, then gone forever.

If second-hand smoke viciously killed non smokers, smokers lives would be very short indeed.

Billions of dollars in tax money were earned from the big lie. Now fatty foods are in the cross-hairs.

22 posted on 01/10/2003 8:27:23 PM PST by GhostofWCooper
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Gracious! I didn't mean to be nasty, just ... middle of the road? "Smoke if you like, and I'll go somewhere else?" "Here's an ashtray; would you mind going to the porch?"

That does get me in trouble on FR sometimes :-). Can I offer you a drink?
23 posted on 01/10/2003 8:29:58 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Mr. K
Absolutely. It is a FREE country so...go to the places that don't have smokers and stay out of the places that do! I am not a smoker by the way and I hate the smell of the smoke but...I am NOT about to rule in favor of banning all smoking for all people. That's stupid!
24 posted on 01/10/2003 8:30:51 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Tax-chick
Bless her that she lived to 90 years old.
25 posted on 01/10/2003 8:32:14 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Tax-chick
I can agree with that. Nothing has the same effect on everybody.
26 posted on 01/10/2003 8:33:32 PM PST by patton (Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)
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To: Tacis
So... since you've been "poisoned" by smokers, perhaps you'll offer up a few examples of what this "poison" has done.

Did it make you turn green, make you sick? Did it cause a brain tumor to start growing in your head within a few minutes?

Or perhaps the poison just made your nostrils a little uncomfortable.

27 posted on 01/10/2003 8:33:53 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Max McGarrity
Secondhand smoke "might make your hair smell," but it's not a proven health risk, Bears-coach-turned-restaurant-owner Mike Ditka said Thursday, leading the charge against a proposed restaurant smoking ban in Chicago.

While I'm personally of the 'if you don't like the smoke, don't patronize the place' mentality, this is a rather shoddy argument. What are Ditka's credentials? Where is his research?
28 posted on 01/10/2003 8:38:59 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: cubreporter
38. Lung cancer.

I'm not in favor of legal restrictions on smoking. Just saying that it does hurt (and kill) some people. Mike Ditka should make his pitch on a "freedom" platform, not a "smoking is harmless" platform.
29 posted on 01/10/2003 8:40:44 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Max McGarrity
And so it begins again. SHS if it were that deadly would claim the lives of tens of millions of folks a year. The ignorant are very close to the level of calling for genocide and asking the UN to step in to "save the future children". As a nation, our ancestors have endured far more extraneous poisons. Most of which were encountered in the drive to expand our country and enable the "strip mall socialists" to have the confortable lives they live today. Ignorance is Bliss.
30 posted on 01/10/2003 8:41:25 PM PST by davisdoug
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Ditka's restaurant is HIS restaurant. Its not a "public place". If he didn't like you, he could ban you from it. On the other hand, if you don't like smoke, instead of bitching, go elsewhere. If a restaurant allows smoking, and I decide to light up, I don't want to have to hear your snide remarks, or see your dirty looks. I want to enjoy my meal without a hassle. If I'm in a no smoking establishment, I don't smoke.

As for being weak or stupid: Some of us just enjoy it. Some people like sky-diving, but personally, I'll never jump out of a perfectly functioning airplane. Everyone chooses their own life style, and are entitled to. Who the he$$ do you think you are to mandate no smoking, no alcohol, no fatty foods, no salt, no sugar, etc. In fact, just to pi$$ you off, I'm going to run around the living room WITH SCISSORS!!!

31 posted on 01/10/2003 8:42:09 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Max McGarrity

32 posted on 01/10/2003 8:45:27 PM PST by APBaer
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

You said it here. IF. You have a choice. If you don't want to be there, don't go! In fact Ditka himself tells you that! There other places to go.

The perfect solution is to have both types of restaurants and bars. Some that allow smoking and those that do not. Any patron in the wrong place is there of their own accord and has no reason to gripe.

Most restaurants had non smoking sections and that still wasn't good enough for the anti-smoke nazis. So now they want it all. Why should only non smokers be comfortable? By having both types of establishments smoking and non-smoking, then both sets of patrons can be comfortable.

As for workers, the same applies. You know when you fill the application whether or not the place allows smoking. Don't want the smoke, then don't apply. If you apply, then you have made a choice to accept the smoke as part of the job. Just like people in factories pr other work places that have to work with questionable materials. Sure safety standards say that you have the 'right to know', but that's it. You can't refuse to work with it, because it would cost you your job. I've been in that type of situation. Some work places tell you up front, so you can make your choice then. Continue with the application for employment or walk out the door.

Choice. It's all about choice. And just as the non smoker gets a choice about going to a smoking or non smoking environment, so too should the smoker be given that choice. The choice shouldn't be eliminated.

Would people like choice of soda limited to ONE? Or choice of beer limited to ONE? And that ONE determined by someone else?

A consumer driven market is based on CHOICE! jmo

33 posted on 01/10/2003 8:47:23 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer...

You sir, are on the wrong forum.

Perhaps you could be so kind and let us know what is wrong with the above statement. Just to help the thought process along, I have taken the liberty of bolding a few things you just might want to key in on.

Are SUV's ok? Guns? Turn off the test pattern, ok?

Now run along and slime your way back to DU. They love to assimilate your type.

LVM

34 posted on 01/10/2003 8:50:34 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: Max McGarrity
Same hometown Bump as Ditka. Aliquippa, Pa is no longer sooty....all mills have shut down.
35 posted on 01/10/2003 8:51:35 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (My hubby wants me to change my screenname, but I still despise Halfbright!)
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To: Tacis
"He runs a public place..."

No, he doesn't. He runs a privately owned restaurant. He *owns* it. Don't like it? Don't go there. Sounds like Mike has a pretty good grasp on reality, unlike an ever increasing number of citizens in this country.

FYI, it was the NAZIS who laid the groundwork for nationwide anti-smoking initiatives. Der Fuehrer, it will be recalled, was a homosexual vegetarian non-smoking teetotaling socialist. So we know who the fascists really are in all this. Good try, though!
36 posted on 01/10/2003 8:55:44 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Tax-chick
"A simple, free-market situation ..."

A simple free market soloution is to allow the restaurant or bar owner to make the decision wether to allow smoking or not allow it. If you don't like smoking you will vote with your feet and frequent any establishment that doesn't allow smoking.

Restaurants and bars are privatly owned and therfore their policies should be made by the owners. Not by the goverment.

37 posted on 01/10/2003 8:57:29 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Tacis
When Ditka's is smoke free, how are you going to get there? Might you drive over there in your SUV with an eight cylinder combustive engine. Well, I do not to breathe the exhaust from your car as a walk down. I know, sounds stupid. Because it is.

I am a non-smoker, and there is only a few things that bug me more than smokers. Rest assured that one of those things is non-smokers who moan about smokers.

38 posted on 01/10/2003 8:57:50 PM PST by LandofLincoln
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To: blackbart.223
Right. What you said.
39 posted on 01/10/2003 9:03:38 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Tax-chick
My brother died of lung cancer when he was 43. Neither he nor his wife smoked a day in their lives.
40 posted on 01/10/2003 9:09:01 PM PST by Hildy
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To: patton
Find the logical flaw in my tagline, and I might bother to listen to your statist rants.

Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)

Well, (A-B) is zero, so B*0 == (A+B)*0. That (something)*0 == (something_else)*0, however, indicates nothing about the relative values of (something) and (something else).

So now that I've explained the logical fallacy in your tagline, may I now tell you about how wonderful the almighty state is, and how it will solve all of the world's problems from the annoying interruptions of sunlight caused occasionally by the pesky lunar satellite to the unacceptably high (100%) 200-year failure rate of the human organism?

41 posted on 01/10/2003 9:28:52 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Tacis
He runs a public place and if I am in it, I don't want to be forced to suffer the by-product of some other customer's personal weakness or stupidity.

Simple solution: don't go there. How is that not a 'win' for all involved?

42 posted on 01/10/2003 9:32:02 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
LOL. Go for it - just realize that you have given up the game to the liberal, who was, up to this point, stunned.

But no matter. Something times nothing is nothing.

You may now attempt to overwhelm me with reasoned arguments equating statism to freedom.

43 posted on 01/10/2003 9:37:21 PM PST by patton (Let A=B, and B=1. Then AB=AA, AB=A(^2), AB-B(^2)=A(^2)-B(^2), B(A-B)=(A+B)(A-B), B=A+B, A=0.So 1=0.)
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To: GhostofWCooper
"Ditka's right."

One Super Bowl year don't make him right -- it makes him lucky.

44 posted on 01/10/2003 9:37:43 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Hildy
"My brother died of lung cancer when he was 43. Neither he nor his wife smoked a day in their lives."

Who knows? If he had smoked, he may have died at 33, while Ditka's father may have died at 100 instead of 80 if he hadn't smoked.

45 posted on 01/10/2003 9:40:33 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Tax-chick
That doesn't make Mike Ditka a medical expert.

Glantz isn't a medical expert either, he only plays one in the anti smoking forces, yet every organization and every level of government listens to him, and some actually believe every word coming out of his mouth.

46 posted on 01/10/2003 9:50:34 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: Max McGarrity

47 posted on 01/10/2003 9:55:06 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: Freedom4US
"Der Fuehrer, it will be recalled, was a homosexual vegetarian non-smoking teetotaling socialist."

I did not know that...

Some psychiatrists have theorized that some of those who "smoke" are subconsciously substituting that cigarette or cigar orally for "something else."

It's amazing what conclusions one may draw from the smoking issue -- ain't it??....

48 posted on 01/10/2003 9:56:09 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Tacis
Re: Your #7: I am a smoker, and I find your words insulting, degrading, condescending, and outright goddamned rude...........

.......and you SURE wouldn't say it to MY face.

49 posted on 01/10/2003 9:56:48 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: patton
You may now attempt to overwhelm me with reasoned arguments equating statism to freedom.

Remind me what the Ingsoc slogans were again? I remember "Freedon is slavery" [i.e. people who are free to lead their own lives will be slaves to the hardships that are an essential part of the human condition] and "War is peace" [Bombing an aspirin factory is an act of peace]. I forget what other slogans Orwell gave which so nicely fit today's liberals.

50 posted on 01/10/2003 10:01:04 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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