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Ditka: Smoke won't hurt you
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 10, 2003 | FRAN SPIELMAN

Posted on 01/10/2003 7:41:00 PM PST by Max McGarrity

Secondhand smoke "might make your hair smell," but it's not a proven health risk, Bears-coach-turned-restaurant-owner Mike Ditka said Thursday, leading the charge against a proposed restaurant smoking ban in Chicago.

With a cigar in one hand and a drink in the other, Ditka said his steelworker father was living proof that it's baloney for medical experts to claim that exposing a restaurant employee to an eight-hour shift's worth of secondhand smoke is the equivalent of smoking a half a pack of cigarettes.

"My dad smoked four packs of Luckies from the time he was 12 until the time he was 60. He lived to 80. He died of hardening of the arteries. He didn't die from what smoking caused. He worked in the steel mill where every morning, you woke up and there was half an inch of soot on the cars," Ditka said.

"People who have survived in industrial areas of our country late into their 80s and 90s have inhaled more smoke than all the smoking in the world can give you. I find it hard to believe that people try to shove the secondhand smoke theory down your throat because I don't believe it. I don't believe it even hurts you. It might make your hair smell a little bit, but that's about it."

Ditka said he has nothing against Ald. Edward M. Burke (14th), the City Council's leading anti-smoking crusader. He simply believes the restaurant business would "suffer tremendously" if Burke and Health Committee Chairman Ed Smith (28th) persuaded their colleagues to ban smoking in restaurants and bars.

"These people who are popping off and throwing their weight around better open up their eyes and understand that you've got freedoms in America. If you don't want to come in this restaurant, don't come in. If you don't want to go where people smoke, don't go. They run the City Council. Let the people down here run the restaurants," Da Coach said.

Reminded that smoking has been banned for years in California restaurants and bars, Ditka said: "That's fruits and nuts. That's what they are. A lot of liberals. . .. All the do-gooders in the world. The people in California who abolished smoking are the same people who want to legalize marijuana. Come on. Give me a break."

At a Health Committee meeting earlier this week, restaurant owners attempted to slow the anti-smoking steamroller.

They warned that a Chicago-only restaurant smoking ban would send customers fleeing to the suburbs and prompt conventions to move elsewhere. They argued the ban would create an enforcement nightmare, with confrontations between tip-seeking servers and their customers.

Mayor Daley sympathized, called for more City Council hearings on the controversy and backed away from his earlier endorsement of a restaurant smoking ban.

On Thursday, restaurant employees held a news conference at Ditka's Restaurant, 100 E. Chestnut, to reiterate those arguments and pile on a few more.

"This city is rich in character--full of taverns, neighborhood joints, steakhouses and family restaurants. A smoking ban would completely expunge that character. It would absolutely reduce this city to another generic, dime-a-dozen, two-bit town," said Glenn Garlisch, a waiter at the Chicago Chop House, 60 W. Ontario.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; cigarette; cigars; individualliberty; mikeditka; privateproperty; pufflist; rights; smokers; smokingbans; tobacco
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To: Kenny Bunk
You asked if there was no smoking anywhere would people stay home and eat. In my case the answer is yes and no.

Since I retired I go out to breakfast every weekday and if smoking was stopped in these restaurants I would no longer go.

If it was a dinner with friends I would still go,but not going out to breakfast would save me about $30.00 a week.There is a group of us in this breakfast place that would stay home.That would be quite a loss to the owner.
121 posted on 01/12/2003 1:04:04 PM PST by Mears
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To: Max McGarrity
Let the market-place decide.

As a non-cigarette smoker, I routinely choose the "smoking" section: less patrons, better and quicker service.
122 posted on 01/12/2003 1:08:24 PM PST by BenR2
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To: Tax-chick
or the tobacco nazis' line, are not applicable to everyone.

I think you mean, "... not applicable to some."

Please say what you mean.

123 posted on 01/12/2003 1:21:43 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Dimensio
What are Ditka's credentials? Where is his research??

Along with untold millions of baby boomers. who grew up in smoke-infested homes, he is still alive.

124 posted on 01/12/2003 1:23:46 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Tacis
Tacis; I don't know why facist left wing liberal communists like you are even on the conservative site. You belong with the neo nazis at the new republic. Second hand smoke is not a danger to people but neo nazi socialists with a totalitarian agenda use pawns like you to complain about second hand smoke and global warming and SUV's to further their hostile takeover of our FREE REBUBLIC; AMERICA! You are the typical liberal blind sheeple that has been led to serve liars and thieves who will take all your freedoms away and leave you penniless and a servant of the communistic new republic your masters are working for.
Grow up and learn tolerance and compassion for others.
125 posted on 01/12/2003 1:40:29 PM PST by wgeorge2001
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To: HIDEK6
ROTF! My 6th grader thinks it's hysterical that my pronouns are being corrected :-). An excellent illustration of the importance of totally precise grammar.
126 posted on 01/12/2003 2:07:23 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: metesky
Cute! I was, of course, referring to my experience of the effects of other people's smoking (at home), not making a point about what people do in bars ... I've never been to one ... or restaurants.

I think I need to get out of this discussion, because I obviously sound like I'm defending a ban on smoking in restaurants, when I'm not. Some days I'm just not all here.
127 posted on 01/12/2003 2:11:00 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Tax-chick
I know now you don't want government making decisions for business owners, however I hadn't scrolled far enough in the thread to see that. Sorry.

You do make a point, though, about never having been in a bar. Many of these anti-smokers have never been in a real barroom in their lives and would literally be scared sh!tless to go into one.

Does it make sense to you that these little farts would want to control the actions of people they don't know, don't want to know and whom they would dislike if they did know?

Bars are full of the same people who wouldn't sit down and shut up when the authority figure (teacher) told them to.

Bars are full of the same people who don't obey the security bureaucrats (police).

Bars are full of tired, sweaty people that actually do the things that keep us going: deliver bread and milk to our stores, repair roofs, build houses, work on motors and engines, fix our toilets and light switches, waiters and waitresses from other joints kicking out the jams on a night off, people from all walks of the working world who only want an ice cold drink and a butt to go with the conversation and laughs.

Now Mike Ditka is prolly a heck of a guy to slug down a few brews with and enjoy a cigar and some banter, but would you want to go out after work (that is, if you went out for drinks, which you don't. Just using your post as a takeoff point) with Tacis and F16Fighter?

No? Neither would anybody else here and we don't want dress wearing imitation men like them telling us what is and is not acceptable behavior either.

128 posted on 01/12/2003 2:47:13 PM PST by metesky
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To: Tacis
Hasn't it gotten to the point that some smokers positively enjoy offending other people with their habit/addiction? They're "brave freedom-fighters opposing oppression" Kinda like tattoos and piercing? I agree with you that the offensive aspects of the weedburners addiction - the stench and ashes - are in and of themselves reason to ban their loathsome habit. Plus, since gum and patches are available, they have no credible defense for offending.
129 posted on 01/12/2003 2:59:41 PM PST by 185JHP ("I was neat, clean, shaved, sober, and FReeping!")
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To: metesky
Does it make sense to you that these little farts would want to control the actions of people they don't know, don't want to know and whom they would dislike if they did know?

It doesn't make sense to me, but it's certainly a common phenomenon. As the mother of a large family, I can't leave my house without hearing from people who think it's their business how many children I have!

I sympathize with smokers, although I didn't when I lived with them, because it did make me sick. Although I prefer to drink (and not smoke) at home rather than in bars, I do understand that many people enjoy smoking. If I as a nonsmoker find the atmosphere of Mike Ditka's restaurant disagreeable, it's my responsibility to go somewhere else, not insist that the world accommodate me.

130 posted on 01/12/2003 3:18:00 PM PST by Tax-chick
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To: metesky
Bars are full of tired, sweaty people that actually do the things that keep us going...

With this smoke-nazi nonsense, and with the Fairfax County (Virginia) nonsense, I wonder if those in power are really out to close the bars for some reason...

131 posted on 01/12/2003 4:47:46 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Tax-chick
You could well be right.

I guess that what I was trying to say is that statistically, second hand smoke hasn't appeared to be a significant problem in the causation of lung disease. This is, of course, despite claims by leftist lawyers to the contrary (and please note that they seem to be getting their paycheck on just that issue - follow the money). Anyway, I'm certain that it is a matter of degree - that is, just smelling smoke isn't going to cause a problem, but constantly breathing a thick cloud of smoke most likely has an association with lung disease. A better approach might have been to require a certain amount of maximum particulate indoor pollution, measured over time in "public" places.

On the other hand, what do we call the "products of combustion" in other circumstances? A: Air pollution. Science backs up the fact that sludge in the air irritates our lungs.

Again, I think its a matter of how much stuff is in the air, along with a person's tolerance to smoke. Having a good air filtration system works wonders with regard to removing smoke from restaurants and bars.

I'm not sure how I got into this :-). I certainly have no interest in regulating other people's smoking!

Smoking discussions are often exciting. :^) I used to smoke myself, but I gave them up (again) just over a year ago. Smelling smoke doesn't bother me, but I've learned that I simply cannot have "just one" cigarette. And I learned that quitting is, how do you say it, "emotionally taxing" at times. I was pretty edgy for a few months last year.

I don't look at this issue as a smoking issue as much as I see it as a property rights issue.

132 posted on 01/12/2003 4:49:12 PM PST by meyer
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To: supercat
Well, if they know any American history at all, they know that the Revolution was fomented (fermented)in the taverns and brew-houses where the Sons of Liberty and the Committees of Corespondence met.

Can't have those free-thinkers sitting around smoking, drinking and plotting the local Stalin's political demise now, can we?

133 posted on 01/12/2003 6:02:38 PM PST by metesky
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To: 185JHP
Hasn't it gotten to the point that some smokers positively enjoy offending other people with their habit/addiction?

It's been my experience that most smokers will go out of their way to accommodate non-smokers who make a polite request to refrain from smoking. It's the coughers and hand wavers, the insult under the breath folks who get treated rudely, usually rightfully so.

134 posted on 01/12/2003 6:12:01 PM PST by metesky
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To: metesky
Well, if they know any American history at all, they know that the Revolution was fomented (fermented)in the taverns and brew-houses where the Sons of Liberty and the Committees of Corespondence met. Can't have those free-thinkers sitting around smoking, drinking and plotting the local Stalin's political demise now, can we?

I was thinking that, but most pubs today don't seem like that. I could be quite wrong, of course, since I've only been in a few...

135 posted on 01/12/2003 6:13:13 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
I could be quite wrong, of course, since I've only been in a few...

I've only been in a few myself...

Today.

136 posted on 01/12/2003 6:15:44 PM PST by metesky
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To: F16Fighter
Oh, but I guess that's THE version of "liberty" for some posters here. <P. No, it just means that YOU are at LIBERTY to NOT GO THERE if you don't WANT to.
137 posted on 01/12/2003 6:26:16 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Mears
If it was a dinner with friends I would still go,but not going out to breakfast would save me about $30.00 a week.There is a group of us in this breakfast place that would stay home.That would be quite a loss to the owner.

Our family doesn't go out to eat where you can't smoke either. One of the local restaurants went non smoking a few years back. Haven't been there since. One of the local chain of retail stores did away with smoking in their cafeteria. Used to do all our shopping there, especially christmas shopping. Now, its 'in and out, asap'. No doubt we'd still be spending a lot more money there if they still had their old policy. It was kind of nice to take a cigarette/coffee break in the midst of shopping.

The non smoking policy has hurt a lot of restaurants.

138 posted on 01/12/2003 6:34:33 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: BenR2
As a non-cigarette smoker, I routinely choose the "smoking" section: less patrons, better and quicker service.

Probably a regional thing. Around here, the smoking section is just as busy if not more so than the not smoking. And the smoking section is larger. Sometimes people have to take a table in non smoking and wait for a table in the smoking section to open up, then move to that section.

139 posted on 01/12/2003 6:37:49 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Max McGarrity
My grandmother died of cancer most likely acquired from exposure to secondhand smoke.

Ditka is an ass if he thinks his opinion has any scientific weight.

I'm against these far-reaching bans on smoking, but let's not pretend they're anything other than cancer sticks.

140 posted on 01/12/2003 6:39:57 PM PST by xm177e2
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