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Interpreting the Second Amendment (BARF Alert)
Washington Times ^ | 1/12/03 | Alex Gerber

Posted on 01/11/2003 10:53:56 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The worldwide terrorist activity directed from abroad against the United States has given birth to a Homeland Security Department to help fulfill one of the primary responsibilities of government provide for the public safety.

But if we honor the charge in the Preamble of our Constitution to "ensure domestic tranquility," it is surely not beyond the purview of this new agency to direct some of its attention to the domestic terror resulting from the guns overflowing our streets. Imagine the enormous uproar if the 30 murders daily from domestic gunfire resulted from al Qaeda terrorism.


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1 posted on 01/11/2003 10:53:56 PM PST by kattracks
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2 posted on 01/11/2003 10:56:17 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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3 posted on 01/11/2003 10:56:36 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: kattracks
There are 10,000 pro-gun-control newspapers in America. Why would the Washington Times offer itself as just another anti-gun prostitute?
4 posted on 01/11/2003 11:12:06 PM PST by gg188
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To: Joe Brower; Jeff Head; Squantos; wardaddy; harpseal; Mulder; kaylar; coloradan; Noumenon; ...
Here we go again. The statist boot lickers never give up.

Again we see the ludicrous lie that the militia is the national guard, which was not formed for over 100 years after the Bill of Rights was adopted.

Why don't they ever quote George Mason, who said "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." Then he said "to disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." Not very ambiguous!

And this lame brained writer doesn't know much about the English language. The first clause in no way changes or mitigates the primary clause. "The moon is made of green cheese, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Or as the point is sometime illustrated, (paraphrased)

"A well educated electorate being necessary for the advancement of a free nation, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infinged."

In this idiot's interpretation, only government educators could keep all types of "dangerous" books. Books containing that were deemed especially dangerous ideas could be banned for possession by common folk, they would have to be kept and explained by officially sanctioned educators.

Rubbish.

If these idiots continue pushing their half of the nation (the sheeple half yearning to be protected only by Big Shepherd)in this direction, we are eventually going to have to settle this issue with a war. That's the basic premise of my novel.

5 posted on 01/11/2003 11:15:28 PM PST by Travis McGee (BLOAT, cache, and take names!)
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To: kattracks
Of course this jackass failed to mention the militia as defined by staute (Title 10 USC 311)consists of the National Guard (organized militia) and all abled body males and females between the ages of 17 and 45 (unorganized militia).
6 posted on 01/11/2003 11:17:16 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: kattracks
The 2nd Amendment (ratified in 1791) does not refer to the National Guard, created in 1903.
7 posted on 01/11/2003 11:35:56 PM PST by Skwidd (Fire Controlman First Class Extraordinaire)
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To: Travis McGee
If they keep pushing it they are going to force a lot of people who are not too involved with the process (or not at all) to pick up their guns and go into politics.

I pray we can avoid that ... but these fools are so ignorant of history and the very meaning of liberty and freedom ... and they think they are so insulated from the consequences and results of their foolishness that they will run headlong into the brickwall because they never look up to see that one is there.

... as to the handlers that are using such useful idiots ... well, they too sorely underestimate the effectiveness of the 15 million hunting rifles.

8 posted on 01/11/2003 11:42:07 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Travis McGee
Looking forward to getting your book, hopefully while the SPECIAL PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER: MATT WILL PERSONALLY AUTOGRAPH ALL OF THESE COPIES offer is still in effect.

These people can read. I've worked with enough of these cretins to know they deliberately play word games to avoid debating from a logical stand.

If gunowners were as uncivilized and vicious as they would like us to believe, or if just they alone believed it, they would be hiding out and keeping their mouths shut tight. They obviously feel safe enough to speak out. Therefore, whatever plans and designs they have which would seriously rile up the gunowners, haven't been clearly revealed.

9 posted on 01/11/2003 11:43:21 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Travis McGee
Also if one were to interpret the second amendment as a state militia's right to keep and bear arms for preservation then it would be the ONLY amendment that is not precisely an individual right in the entire document.

Of course, thinking folks already know there exists a body of letters from the very founders who crafted this language explaining that it is meant precisely as the right for the people to bear arms and is not to be infringed.....even though it is indeed being infringed constantly because we have neither a SCOTUS or POTUS with the guts or rightmindedness to just jump in and end this madness.

However...if a justice can extract infanticide justification from the right to privacy then I suppose we should be prepared for the storm before the calm.

I've lost my faith in our elected representatives to stop this hellbound train. One day either us or folks like us down the road are going to have to settle this unless a profound calamity occurs that will shock folks back into the real world and they'll be too busy simply surviving to worry about petty crap like social engineering and constitutional dilution....neither is a pretty resolution but that's about the only hope I see. If we lose, then it's game over for the individual here. How in the hell can anyone expect to rattle tyranny without weapons and the will to use them.
10 posted on 01/12/2003 12:08:09 AM PST by wardaddy (naive people who don't know history or human nature abound in the land of plenty)
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To: meadsjn; wardaddy
Good and well said to you both.

Hope all is ell with you.

... it's good to be home in Idaho.

11 posted on 01/12/2003 12:14:52 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Travis McGee; Jeff Head
the wording of the Second Amendment was a reflection of the political climate in Europe at the time. ???

Is it me or did this village idiot Alex Gerber just shoot himself in the foot with that statement ? I believe the current state of the world advocates RKBA for exactly the same reason. Your'a'peeins and their handlers are still such a form of goobermint IMO.

Just my take on the matter....

12 posted on 01/12/2003 12:16:15 AM PST by Squantos (Stay Safe Ya'll !)
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To: kattracks
"Indeed, our health-care statistics would closely resemble those of the other Western industrialized societies... <

What the he** is that supposed to mean? Would that be a good or bad thing overall? How many automobile accidents, drug overdoses, suicides, workplace accidents, cases of cancer or other diseases do these 'other Western industrialized societies' have?

...were it not for our disproportionately higher homicide rate, chiefly due to firearms."

Blah, blah, blah.....(sounds like a liberal, eh?).

The people who come up with this crap love to use emergency room stories to try and bolster their arguments. They never mention the fact that most emergency room visits in most communities are not a result of someone being shot.

"This aberration, brought into sharp focus by the recent spree of sniper shootings, suggests an urgent need to review our gun-control laws."

That's what it is. An aberration. In any society you have those nut jobs who cause trouble, but I'd rather live in a society where an individual has the right to protect themselves by whatever means necessary than rely on a joke of a government and their set of ever increasing useless and ineffective laws that only keep honest people honest.

Review, he**!!!! Repeal is the correct word here.

13 posted on 01/12/2003 12:26:08 AM PST by Looking4Truth
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To: Jeff Head
Idaho....good for you....I hiked up Trapper Peak in the Bitteroots 25 years ago.

I'm jealous but ...Tennessee ain't exactly chopped liver...lol

There are approximately 15 million whitetail deer hunters alone in this fine country. That's comforting in a way.
14 posted on 01/12/2003 12:29:47 AM PST by wardaddy (deer season ended yesterday here......I should learn to call up a gobbler...lol)
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To: Looking4Truth
A fact everyone is afraid to mention is that if one removes endemic urban minority crime from the stats then we look less violent than a number of the more esteemed homogenous Euro-nations.

15 posted on 01/12/2003 12:33:50 AM PST by wardaddy (I know...I should learn to hold my offensive non PC tongue....I can't help myself)
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To: Jeff Head
Welcome back. Winter is exceptionally mild up here this year.
16 posted on 01/12/2003 12:37:58 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: wardaddy
"A fact everyone is afraid to mention is that if one removes endemic urban minority crime from the stats then we look less violent than a number of the more esteemed homogenous Euro-nations."

Excellent point!

And if the ones that are categorized as 'children' (under 21?) who have been "a 'victim' of 'gun violence'" in these urban environments were correctly categorized as criminals (When do some of them join gangs nowadays, about 11 or 12?) the stats would definitely be different.

Big Media lies!

17 posted on 01/12/2003 12:45:51 AM PST by Looking4Truth
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To: kattracks
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world

18 posted on 01/12/2003 12:55:19 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Fellowship of Conservatives)
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To: Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Squantos
Howdy! Long time, I'm afraid. Glad to see y'all are still at it!

I started to print this piece, then I realized that it would only be good for lining a bird cage or training a puppy where to do his business.

People like this moron don't get it and likely won't ever get it, until it's too late.

I do, however, like his suggestion about augmenting our firearms with mortars and rockets and such.

19 posted on 01/12/2003 1:02:49 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
Glad yer back ! Hope all is well with you and yours. I'm afraid our constitutional freedoms are erroding to a point where nothing less than domestic anarchy can restore the security our "Republic" has enjoyed to date.

I'm still on the soap and ballot box but it seems that the RKBA is enroute to the jury box or it's equal at SCOTUS.

Lord help us all if it plays out to the ammo box.

20 posted on 01/12/2003 1:13:10 AM PST by Squantos (Stay Safe Ya'll !)
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