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Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter
NASA photos | 2-3-03 | BoneMccoy

Posted on 02/04/2003 1:34:19 AM PST by bonesmccoy

In recent days the popular media has been focusing their attention on an impact event during the launch of STS-107. The impact of External Tank insulation and/or ice with the Orbiter during ascent was initially judged by NASA to be unlikely to cause loss of the vehicle. Obviously, loss of the integrity of the orbiter Thermal Protection System occured in some manner. When Freepers posted the reports of these impacts on the site, I initially discounted the hypothesis. Orbiters had sustained multiple impacts in the past. However, the size of the plume in the last photo gives me pause.

I'd like to offer to FR a few observations on the photos.

1. In this image an object approximately 2-3 feet appears to be between the orbiter and the ET.

2. In this image the object appears to have rotated relative to both the camera and the orbiter. The change in image luminosity could also be due to a change in reflected light from the object. Nevertheless, it suggests that the object is tumbling and nearing the orbiter's leading edge.

It occurs to me that one may be able to estimate the size of the object and make an educated guess regarding the possible mass of the object. Using the data in the video, one can calculate the relative velocity of the object to the orbiter wing. Creating a test scenario is then possible. One can manufacture a test article and fire ET insulation at the right velocity to evaluate impact damage on the test article.

OV-101's port wing could be used as a test stand with RCC and tile attached to mimic the OV-102 design.

The color of the object seems inconsistent with ET insulation. One can judge the ET color by looking at the ET in the still frame. The color of the object seems more consistent with ice or ice covered ET insulation. Even when accounting for variant color hue/saturation in the video, the object clearly has a different color characteristic from ET insulation. If it is ice laden insulation, the mass of the object would be significantly different from ET insulation alone. Since the velocity of the object is constant in a comparison equation, estimating the mass of the object becomes paramount to understanding the kinetic energy involved in the impact with the TPS.

3. In this image the debris impact creates a plume. My observation is that if the plume was composed primarily of ET insulation, the plume should have the color characteristics of ET insulation. This plume has a white color.

Unfortunately, ET insulation is orange/brown in color.

In addition, if the relative density of the ET insulation is known, one can quantify the colorimetric properties of the plume to disintegrating ET insulation upon impact.

Using the test article experiment model, engineers should fire at the same velocity an estimated mass of ET insulation (similar to the object seen in the still frame) at the test article. The plume should be measured colorimetrically. By comparing this experimental plume to the photographic evidence from the launch, one may be able to quantify the amount of ET insulation in the photograph above.

4. In this photo, the plume spreads from the aft of the orbiter's port wing. This plume does not appear to be the color of ET insulation. It appears to be white.

This white color could be the color of ice particles at high altitude.

On the other hand, the composition of TPS tiles under the orbiter wings is primarily a low-density silica.

In the photo above, you can see a cross section of orbiter TPS tile. The black color of the tile is merely a coating. The interior of the tile is a white, low-density, silica ceramic.


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To: XBob
Hang on, I will look!.......TXD and a IDCD what ever they are?????????
361 posted on 02/07/2003 6:58:35 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
Going patch hunting, back in a sec.
362 posted on 02/07/2003 6:59:50 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
Those pic(slightly out of focus) that were shown by NASA on the second or third day were telling becuse they showed the bottom of the wing and there was no white streak or patch.

I also see the foam hitting more to the mid wing.




I have posted, several times, links to NASA mpegs showing the 'foam' hitting the underside of the wing approximately at the inside of the top third of the wheel well door, next to the fuselage, which is approximately where I understand the damage is in the picture we havent seen.
363 posted on 02/07/2003 7:00:25 AM PST by XBob
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To: wirestripper
TXD and a IDCD

boy - those are new to me.

look on www.tucows.com and you will find tons of free programs, and many various graphics programs, one of which should work.

an excellent site for all kinds of goodies.
364 posted on 02/07/2003 7:05:46 AM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
I am down loading a viewer that has about 300 diff. types.

I am looking in my data base, I may have a copy of a thread the someone posted it on.

365 posted on 02/07/2003 7:12:46 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper; bonesmccoy; the_doc
Heck, we are not even interested in the kenetic energy at all. The only thing we would have any interest in would be the energy that is transfered to the tiles that actually caused damage. And I just don't see any way to get there from nothing but the photos. NASA actually has years of data, lots of lab experiments, and bunches of computers to estimate these kind of things. And this is assuming that the impact itself is the root cause.
366 posted on 02/07/2003 7:14:44 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: XBob
I am trying to remember which video I saw (linked somewhere in this or another thread) where I thought I saw something hit close to the fuselage/wing, like in only one, perhaps two frames. Anybody else see this, or am I chasing myself?
367 posted on 02/07/2003 7:28:56 AM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: XBob
OK, I have it opened. It is grainy and poor quality. Send me a e-mail address and I will gladly mail it too you. It shows a black backround with the glowing shuttle and plazma trail and a large glowing object trailing behind. Much too big for a tile IMHO.

meco@ipa.net

368 posted on 02/07/2003 7:30:37 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
that sounds great. 300 you say. how about giving me the name and address.

i'm going to take a break now. talk later.
369 posted on 02/07/2003 7:32:01 AM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
Sorry for the delay, I was going through everything I have bookmarked on thisw.

I do not have a link to the California video. I only saw that on TV.

I do have the link (still valid) on the Arizona video here.

370 posted on 02/07/2003 7:41:10 AM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: XBob
link for good viewer for misc files
371 posted on 02/07/2003 7:42:43 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
Can you e-mail me the pics, please? I'll see if I can.
372 posted on 02/07/2003 7:44:16 AM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Budge
Just one Budge, It is on the way.....
373 posted on 02/07/2003 7:46:28 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Budge
BTW, I converted the pic to Image expert. Should be no problem with windows.
374 posted on 02/07/2003 7:50:34 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: John Jamieson; Jim Noble
"Heaviest reentry ever"

Is that correct?

You may be right. OV-102 is the most massive orbiter in the fleet. Spacelab missions tend to be a massive payload.

The mass of the vehicle translates to greater heating loads on reentry.

The mass characteristic of the mission is compared to the flight trajectory and the mission is flown after many months of data analysis by the NASA-contractor team.

That analysis includes analysis of abort profiles on lift-off and various landing profiles to different runways.

I am certain that the analysis was carried out.

The problem is really that the TPS was damaged. Jim is correct regarding the odds of a flight problem. I am not a safety expert and can not calculate the probability of failure.

The issue is that the risk could be 99.9% safety margin. That means a 1/1000 risk. That risk could bite you. In order to get a system that has 1/10,000 risk, it would cost the nation an extra billion dollars. Is that worth it?

Only politicians know.
375 posted on 02/07/2003 7:51:27 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
The mass of the vehicle translates to greater heating loads on reentry.

I would agree that the total heat generated would be greater due to a required longer re-entry(more s-turns to scrub off the speed), however the craft would likely not experience substantialy more heat at any one time during the decent, just a longer time at high heat.

Am I close to correct? Or am I mis-understanding the process.

376 posted on 02/07/2003 8:01:28 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper; XBob; All
Here is that pic.

Thanks WS.

377 posted on 02/07/2003 8:02:16 AM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: Budge
I would call that a good sized piece. Door maybe......
378 posted on 02/07/2003 8:04:17 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: CCWoody; snopercod; wirestripper; Jim Noble
The energy of the impact is irrelevant to my comment.

My posting focused on a observation that can be made scientifically. The observation of the color of the plume gives you the ability to discern the contents of the plume.

Direct observation of the plume and understanding what it is defines the incident to a greater extent than making a guess based on the mass of the object (which is currently arguable), the impact angles, and the energy involved.

Do the experiment and you can tell what the plume is.

You could also identify if the RCC is dislodged to an extent that there could be leakage of plasma to the wing glove structures.
379 posted on 02/07/2003 8:07:21 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Budge
And here is the time line..............

That initial bank had been as steep as about 80 deg. between Hawaii and the California coast, a normal flight path angle for the early part of the reentry. The abnormal events seen on orbiter telemetry in Houston indicate a slow penetration of reentry heat into the orbiter and damage on the wing, overpowering the flight control system. Key events were:

* 7:52 a.m. CST: Three left main landing gear brakeline temperatures show an unusual rise. "This was the first occurrence of a significant thermal event in the left wheel well," Dittemore said. Engineers do not believe the left wheel well was breached, but rather that hot gasses were somehow finding a flow path within the wing to reach the wheel well.

* 7:53 a.m. CST: A fourth left brakeline strut temperature measurement rose significantly -- about 30-40 deg. in 5 min.

* 7:54 a.m. CST: With the orbiter over eastern California and western Nevada, the mid-fuselage mold line where the left wing meets the fuselage showed an unusual temperature rise. The 60F rise over 5 min. was not dramatic, but showed that something was heating the wing fuselage interface area at this time. Wing leading edge and belly temperatures were over 2,000F. While the outside fuselage wall was heating, the inside wall remained cool as normal.

* 7:55 a.m. CST: A fifth left main gear temperature sensor showed an unusual rise.

* 7:57 a.m. CST: As Columbia was passing over Arizona and New Mexico, the orbiter's upper and lower left wing temperature sensors failed, probably indicating their lines had been cut. The orbiter was also rolling back to the left into about a 75-deg. left bank angle, again to dissipate energy and for navigation and guidance toward Runway 33 at Kennedy, then about 1,800 mi. away.

* 7:58 a.m. CST: Still over New Mexico, the elevons began to move to adjust orbiter roll axis trim, indicating an increase in drag on the left side of the vehicle. That could be indicative of "rough tile or missing tile but we are not sure," Dittemore said. At the same time, the elevons were reacting to increased drag on the left side of the vehicle, the left main landing gear tire pressures and wheel temperature measurements failed. This was indicative of a loss of the sensor, not the explosion or failure of the left main gear tires, Dittemore believes. The sensors were lost in a staggered fashion.

* 7:59 a.m. CST: Additional elevon motion is commanded by the flight control system to counteract right side drag. The drag was trying to roll the vehicle to the left, while the flight control system was commanding the elevons to roll it back to the right.

But the rate of left roll was beginning to overpower the elevons, so the control system fired two 870-lb. thrust right yaw thrusters to help maintain the proper flight path angle. The firing lasted 1.5 sec. and, along with the tire pressure data and elevon data, would have been noted by the pilots.

At about this time, the pilots made a short transmission that was clipped and essentially unintelligible

In Mission Control, astronaut Marine Lt. Col. Charles Hobaugh, the spacecraft communicator on reentry flight director Leroy Cain's team, radioed "Columbia we see your tire pressure [telemetry[ messages and we did not copy your last transmission."

One of the pilots then radioed "Roger," but appeared to be cut off in mid transmission by static. For a moment there was additional static and sounds similar to an open microphone on Columbia but no transmissions from the crew.

All data from the orbiter then stopped and the position plot display in Mission Control froze over Texas, although an additional 30 sec. of poor data may have been captured.

Controllers in Mission Control thought they were experiencing an unusual but non-critical data drop out. But they had also taken notice of the unusual buildup of sensor telemetry in the preceding few minutes.

About 3 min. after all data flow stopped, Hobaugh in mission control began transmitting in the blind to Columbia on the UHF backup radio system. "Columbia, Houston, UHF comm. check" he repeated every 15-30 sec., but to no avail. In central Texas, thousands of people at that moment were observing the orbiter break up at Mach 18.3 and 207,000 ft.

380 posted on 02/07/2003 8:11:02 AM PST by Cold Heat
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