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Parent Alleges Harassment for Exposing 'Fistgate'
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 2/06/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 02/07/2003 4:24:38 AM PST by kattracks

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To: Mears
Why do parents put up with it? Do they condone it?

Before my brother and his wife moved their daughter out of the public schools in the fifth grade, every single day, they would question her about what went on in school, who said what to whom, who did what to whom, how did the teacher react to a situation, what was discussed in social studies, math, English, Health, and everything else. Sometimes I would be at their house, and it was actually painful to watch how my sister-in-law third-degreed my niece. But that type of questionning and also volunteering a couple of days a week in the school made up their minds about removing her.

Sorry to say, it's something parents have to do.
181 posted on 02/10/2003 6:24:02 AM PST by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Sorry for the double post. Maybe it has to be said a couple of times.
182 posted on 02/10/2003 6:25:10 AM PST by ladylib
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To: madg
"I am a resident of Massachusetts"

That explains a lot.

183 posted on 02/10/2003 6:42:50 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: madg
"They knew it was a “Sex and sexuality” workshop"

The term "workshop" implies more "hands on" involvement than mere Q & A, and it WAS a school sponsored event. I had some teaching on sex and sexuality in high school too. It had to do with how pregnancy occurred and various methods of birth control that could be used and how they worked. Of course, this information was geared towards preparing young people for marriage and was not done in mixed clesses. Big difference. I didn't actually know what "fisting" was until today. I'm just not sure how I survived this long without that vital information. Actually, I think I could have gotten along quite nicely without EVER knowing.

No, this isn't about about educating kids about sex because they have a need to know. It is about educating and recruiting them in perversion and it is an outrage and crime.

184 posted on 02/10/2003 6:55:06 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: sweetliberty; madg
No, this isn't about about educating kids about sex because they have a need to know. It is about educating and recruiting them in perversion and it is an outrage and crime.

You're right, sweetliberty. This was child abuse of the most horrific sort.

185 posted on 02/10/2003 6:56:55 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: maxwell
"Then why are there net nannies or whatever on school computers?"

Silly FReeper. That's an easy one. You wouldn't want kids to have access to right wing political sites or religious sites now would you? Why, that would be the same thing as indoctrinating them in hate speech. < /sarcasm >

Actually, that isn't far off. I had an experience a couple of years ago where a friend and I went into a library and she was unable to do a search on their filtered computers using either "catholic" or "Jesus". When we questioned this, the librarian said that the filters blocked access to material that might be deemed unsuitable for children. My question is; "who designs this software? Who is making the decision of what is and is not appropriate for children?" We should be very concerned outraged to action on this kind of hypocrisy. It isn't that hard to see what is happening for one who has eyes to see.

186 posted on 02/10/2003 7:06:39 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: Republic
Liberal homosexual activists are the filthiest things going....using CHILDREN to spread their dirt. And I mean dirt....as in fecal, poop, crap, etc.

They are evil - and evil brought to bear against children is the worst form of evil. And of course, all in a state where in the Boston Diocese, almost 100 Catholic priests (I am Catholic.) have been credibly accused of homosexually abusing and raping teenage boys. Obviously, this form of evil has even infected my Church. Massachusetts is a homosexual filth pit.

187 posted on 02/10/2003 7:08:34 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: kattracks
CNLGLFG.com

188 posted on 02/10/2003 7:09:38 AM PST by MeekMom (( Please visit http://CNLGLFG.com) (HUGE Ann-Fan!!!))
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To: weegee
"Expect more of this sort of thing as "reproduction education" in "sex education/health class" becomes "safe sex instruction/diversity education"

More like "non-reproductive sexual misinformation" or "how unhealthy and risky behavior can be fun". This really makes me sick that our culture has degenerated to such an extreme. I am especially concerned for those who are young enough not to have ever known a more innocent time.

189 posted on 02/10/2003 7:20:27 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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192 posted on 02/10/2003 8:19:28 AM PST by Jimbaugh
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To: sweetliberty
My question is; "who designs this software? Who is making the decision of what is and is not appropriate for children?" We should be very concerned outraged to action on this kind of hypocrisy.

Sounds like a not-so-slow insidious invasion...

Of course, then you get a whole group of folks standing up and stomping out, "that's IT, we're HOMESCHOOLING!" Well that's what my folks did, actually. If I ever have anklebiters (bwahaha, tremble and pray, all ye who knowest me), that is not the way I'll have 'em educated. Everybody's entitled to their lifestyle preferences but there is a finely-defined medium between the two extremes of laissez-faire and the Amish, for example... Life ain't candy-coated or black-and-white, and kids should be taught to deal with that instead of being 1) left to their own devices OR 2) cloistered in bubble-wrap. The truth is always somewhere in between.

What kids need these days is good logical sense. Teach 'em early what you think "sense" is, and let 'em loose. Kids have a pretty good intrinsic bullsh!t detection system.

193 posted on 02/10/2003 9:05:43 AM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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Madg---Where do you live? Bay Village?
195 posted on 02/10/2003 11:07:56 AM PST by Mears
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To: madg
"Way to miss the point. Driscoll’s opinion is NOT a LEGAL opinion, it is a personal opinion."

The point being made is, does evidence exist to charge the workshop presenters and sponsors under sections 28 and 29 of Chapter 272 of M.G.L.? Driscoll's statement that "the workshops were of prurient nature, and not educational" confirms that the workshop material met the criteria of being obscene and harmful to minors as defined in section 31. The fact that the presenters and sponsors admit that they acted as private individuals and as a private organization, at a private conference and not as a "bona fide school, museum or library, or acting in the course of his employment as an employee of such organization," would imply that they have no defense under sections 28 and 29.

Dricoll's opinion is not a legal one, but neither is it simply a personal one. As the highest ranking state education official, his is an expert opinion and that makes him qualified to judge the nature of the material and whether it was educational or not .

The DA had a complaint, including documentation, and a qualified, expert opinion to back up that complaint, and yet chose to ignore it. Why?


"When a complaint is filed with the DA, and the DA does not press charges, most reasonable people would presume that the allegations are without merit… "

If this weren't Massachusetts, I might agree with you.


(Sorry, but I have to leave for meetings - back late this afternoon or this evening)

196 posted on 02/10/2003 11:26:39 AM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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