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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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I have to admit, I thought I'd never see the day when America was at daggers drawn with France to the same level that Britain is. That day has come.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: carl in alaska; Cautor; GOP_Lady; prairiebreeze; veronica; SunnyUsa; Delmarksman; Sparta; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:33 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Fighting a War without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.
3 posted on 02/07/2003 3:30:51 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: MadIvan
“cheese-eating surrender monkeys"

Groundskeeper Willy has arrived....

4 posted on 02/07/2003 3:30:56 PM PST by amused (Creed of the Leftist: "Freedom of speech as long as you are in agreement")
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To: MadIvan
Confusion to the Frogs!

Who needs them anyway, we know who our friends are.

5 posted on 02/07/2003 3:31:02 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: MadIvan
So? I'm unmoved by their eating snails and frog legs...
6 posted on 02/07/2003 3:31:53 PM PST by null and void
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To: MadIvan
Ivan I need to stay off these French threads...I tend to lose my temper....and say very bad things not meant for this forum...

I hate the French!!

7 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:03 PM PST by Dog (How is my posting 1-888-ITS GOOD)
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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'

Poor French. It's not easy being green.

8 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:35 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: MadIvan
Ah, yes. Hating the French. An important piece of the US/UK friendship! It's nice to see we haven't forgotten.
9 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:41 PM PST by July 4th
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To: MadIvan
I fart in their general direction.
10 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: July 4th
Don't worry. The French will be there when they need us.
11 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
I have to admit, I thought I'd never see the day when America was at daggers drawn with France to the same level that Britain is.

We had a French foreign exchange student. I asked her about that.

She said the problem with the UK has to do with agriculture. They don't like the U.S. because we showed up too late in WWII

12 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:34 PM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: MadIvan
Nobody in their right minds gives a fat rat's ass what the penny-ante, pissant French government thinks anyway.
13 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:43 PM PST by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: MadIvan
I think we should follow Ann Coulter's advice and just invade France.
14 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:49 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: MadIvan
French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'

We must try harder.

15 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:04 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: dfwgator
LMAO!!!!!
16 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:11 PM PST by Dog (How is my posting 1-888-ITS GOOD)
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To: MadIvan
“cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

Wish I'd coined that phrase! Perfecto! :-)

17 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:40 PM PST by Happygal
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To: MadIvan
pardon que je vous aime du fromage avec votre gémissement?

(Babel Fish Translation)

18 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:51 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: Dog
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I am going to ask a dumb question -- why are they called Frogs? I must have missed something along the way. I detest frogs but I was just wondering how frogs and French went together.

My vocabulary consists more and more of I HATE the (fill in the blank)
19 posted on 02/07/2003 3:35:11 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: amused
The French know the "monkey" line - far before we started using it on a regular basis. I remember being in France 10 years ago, and The Simpsons was one of the national networks (France 1 or 2 maybe) meticulously translated.
20 posted on 02/07/2003 3:35:50 PM PST by July 4th
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