Help me.

February 17, 2003 | Hildy

[Hildy]

I'm going to try to slip this in late here at night. The husband of a very good friend of mine is crazy Liberal. Like me, he's Jewish and we argue over and over about how the Conservatives are the only friends the Jews have now. He kind of agrees on that one. I try to be rational with him, and if I find an article that is so right on I'll email it to him. So I sent him the brilliant Charles Krauthammer article about how the Clinton years have led us to where we are now. This was his response to me tonight:

You may put all the blame on Clinton if you wish because he has always been the pawn of your right wing Republican Party. Where was the Repulbican Party during the 90's? All you were able to do was complain about Clinton while many CEO's of the right wing became filthy rich and took advantage of good economic times to rip off the working class and create havoc in the stock market by lying and commiting fraud. Clinton was not attacked for his economic policies but for his moral and deceitful ways. Even though he was impeached his legacy will not be harmed by the events of the 90's. We all were naive enough not to dream of 9-11 and for not taking the "evil of axis"seriously. We as a nation are now paying for thinking we were untochable because of our might. Why did 9-11 not happen until Clinton was out of office? I have heard that the Arab world upset about 41 wanted to take out there hatred on 43. Could this be why we are in such despair now?

Please help me out with a reply to this craziness. Thank you.

[VaBthang4]

"Help me"

Overhaul your decision making process for choosing friends.

[Numbers Guy]

I think the word "craziness" is the best way to describe your friend.

He's beyond saving, and likely beyond engaging in intelligent discussion.

It's interesting that people talked about "Clinton-haters" the past few years. Even people who really despised Clinton still loved their country. The "Bush-haters" are another breed, their venom is poisonous, and I've found it's not worthy of much response. Based on the e-mail, it looks like your correspondent fits the "Bush-hater" label to a "T".

Sorry that I can't offer you a neat and pat answer, but you'd have to attack his underlying premises (that Bush is evil, that Clinton was somehow a right-winger, etc) before you'd ever be able to get anywhere with him.

[Camachee]

All you were able to do was complain about Clinton while many CEO's of the right wing

What makes anyone think that all of the CEO's who got "righ" during the 90's were Repubs? That's classic lib propoganda, but it isn't true. Not all big Dem donors are from Hollywood, you know. Besides, we are seeing more and more info that the clinton admin was complicit in businesses going amuck.

[maro]

Who says they were Republicans?

[Hildy]

He keeps telling me that Bush is dumb. He's so stupid and dumb. I asked him if he thought he was smarter than Bush. Of course he said yes. I said, "Then why is he President of the United States and you sell shoes?

[nhoward14]

4/10/1998

Saying "Iraq remains a serious threat to international peace and security," US President Clinton, in a report to the US congress, said that, "Until Iraqi intent to comply with the MOU [memorandum of understanding] is verified, it will be necessary to maintain our current augmented force posture in the region."

Clinton's report reiterated the US threat that "any further Iraqi violation of the relevant UNSC resolutions would result in the severest consequences for Iraq," under Security Council resolution 1154.



What has changed between 1998 and 2003, Mr. Clinton?

[Enough is ENOUGH]

Sorry, but he sounds like a lost cause. Shock therapy is about the only thing I can think of but the odds of that working are about 100 to 1. Liberals have a very low rehabilitation rate.

Get a new friend. You'll thank me for it.

[Fred Mertz]

Like me, he's Jewish and we argue over and over about how the Conservatives are the only friends the Jews have now.

From what I can determine, Christians and Jews are bound at the hip.

[socal_parrot]

Here is an article that was written as George W. Bush took office. It relates the state of the nation that Bill Clinton left.

Remember, although Bush gets the blaim for Enron, CEO Ken Lay was a guest at the White House several times during Bill Clintons presidency.

[luv2ndamend]

Who were the ones who gave the likes of Enron loans in the 90's?

[Damagro]

The first part of this message could pass for a message on national alliance or stormfront being said about jews. I don't lend credence to either.
For the reason behind 9/11, who knows what was going on in the minds of these heathen

[xrp]

Hahahaha

You may put all the blame on Clinton if you wish because he has always been the pawn of your right wing Republican Party.

Clinton did it to himself with his own corrupt, inept personality.

Where was the Repulbican Party during the 90's?

They were in control of Congress. Notice how the budget finally got balanced? Congress controls the purse strings.

All you were able to do was complain about Clinton while many CEO's of the right wing became filthy rich and took advantage of good economic times to rip off the working class and create havoc in the stock market by lying and commiting fraud.

Many people experienced a very nice rise in income during the 1990s. I know I sure did, going from $15,000/year to $50,000/year by 2000. I took advantage of opportunities available to me, including switching careers into the exploding IT industry. Not everyone made that choice. Welfare rolls dropped during that time, too, a result of CEOs creating jobs.

Clinton was not attacked for his economic policies but for his moral and deceitful ways. Even though he was impeached his legacy will not be harmed by the events of the 90's.

Clinton bears the scarlet letter of impeachment, only the second President EVER to be impeached. Clinton's economic policies (higher taxes) is what is has us where we are now.

We all were naive enough not to dream of 9-11 and for not taking the "evil of axis"seriously.

Clinton sure didn't take Islamikazes seriously. He figured he'd lob a few Tomahawk missiles at them, missing horribly. The then swept it under the carpet. Reagan would have bombed them further back than the Stone Age after the attacks on the embassies.

We as a nation are now paying for thinking we were untochable because of our might.

I prefer to think of it this way: We finally have a President who has the balls to get us payback

Why did 9-11 not happen until Clinton was out of office? I have heard that the Arab world upset about 41 wanted to take out there hatred on 43. Could this be why we are in such despair now?

9/11 would have happened if your man Gore would have been able to steal the 2000 Presidential election. 9/11 would have happened if Barney the dinosaur were President. The difference is that we have a President now who is fighting back instead of getting blow jobs from interns half his age.

[nhoward14]

I doubt if even the sight of a mushroom cloud over Baghdad would convince this inDUHvidual that Bush knows of what he speaks.

[Rebelbase]

X42 just happened to be at the right place at the right time when the technology bubble floated to the surface.

Anyone could have been president and the same thing would have happened.

He had nothing to do with it, yet claims all the glory for the economic wealth that it created.

[Palladin]

Your friend sounds too dumb to be a Jew.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

My personal experience in situations like this-is that you might as well save your breath and typing fingers. No matter how much logic or rational thought you put into a reply,it just doesn't get through. You will only get more frustrated. The irony with these hard core liberals is that they are often very bright,which makes their stubbornness and resistance to even considering a different approach, maddening.Occasionally a life changing event,like 9/11, opens some hearts and minds.But,for the most part, they remain Stepford liberals,awash in propaganda,pettiness,anger,churlishness and self inflicted ignorance.

[tictoc]

I said, "Then why is he President of the United States and you sell shoes?"

Dear Al Bundy,

You have met your match.

[DensaMensa]

Then why do 90% vote Democrat?

[yonif]

Your friend sounds too dumb to be a Jew.

lol.