Environmental Says Blizzard Consistent with 'Global Warming' Trend

CNSNews.com ^ | Thursday, February 20, 2003 | Marc Morano

[countrydummy]

Greens just can't make up their minds!

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Environmental Says Blizzard Consistent with 'Global Warming' Trend By Marc Morano CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer February 20, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - The record-breaking blizzard of 2003, which left more than two feet of snow in some areas of the mid-Atlantic and Northeast, was "very much in line with the predictions of climate models" that predict human-caused "global warming," according to an environmentalist in Washington.

When asked whether predictions of "global warming" have been altered by the unusually cold and snowy winter, including the recent blizzard, Melissa Carey, a climate change policy specialist with the Environmental Defense Fund, said the climate change models actually predict this type of weather.

"It's very hard to link one event for sure, but certainly, increased extreme events like this are very, very much in line with the predictions of climate models, definitely," Carey told CNSNews.com.

"One thing climate change models predict is more increased precipitation and more extreme precipitation events like flooding or blizzards," she added.

Carey believes that the earth's climate is changing for the worse.

"Our system is becoming out of balance. That means we may have much, much hotter summers, and we may have much, much drier winters. We may have an increased frequency of extreme storms like hurricanes and tornados," she added.

Carey sees human activity as the cause of climate uncertainty. "It's not all about warming, it's really about the changes in our climate and our environment that go along with the increases of the concentration of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere," Carey explained.

The world is facing dire consequences if no policy action is taken, according to Carey.

"The CO2 (carbon dioxide) emissions generated by the very first automobile that rolled off the assembly line here in the U.S. are still in the atmosphere. They accumulate over time," Carey said.

But Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the free-market environmental think tank Competitive Enterprise Institute, accused Carey of "selling a lie" about "catastrophic man-made global warming" and the "myth of a stable climate."

Horner believes environmentalists will attribute any adverse weather event or patterns to man-made climate change in order to further their policy goals.

"It's always getting hotter or colder or wetter or drier. Whatever happens - and weather always happens - it's clearly evidence of global warming to them," Horner said.

"Climate is inherently unstable. It is always changing. This supposed 'balance' that man upsets is mythical," Horner explained.

"To insist otherwise is to view the entirety of man's presence not as part of the environment but as a pollutant," he added.

Horner believes the only consistent belief among environmentalists is that man is at the center of any weather-related changes.

"First, man caused cooling, then warming. The darned climate kept changing, but the insistence that man simply must be ruinous didn't," Horner said.

Greenhouse Gases Decline

This week's mammoth snowstorm coincided with the U.S. Energy Department's release of greenhouse gas emission figures for 2001 - showing that for the first time since 1991, the amount of emissions dropped. Greenhouse gas emissions are composed chiefly of carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels.

The 1.2 percent decline was due to a 3.5 percent drop-off in economic growth, the mild winter and higher electricity costs, according to the Energy Information Administration, a statistical arm of the Energy Department.

But the concept that lower economic growth is the proven path to decreased emissions is a two-way street, illustrating the problems with international treaties like the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, according to Horner.

"The way to reduce CO2 emissions or greenhouse gas emissions is a poor economy and high electricity costs," Horner said.

The Kyoto Protocol calls for steep reductions in the amount of greenhouse gas emissions, which some scientists believe could lead to global warming.

"We reduced [greenhouse gases] 1.2 percent, but we'd have to reduce them 17 percent under the 'first step' agreement that is Kyoto," Horner said.

Horner sees this latest government-released data as a warning to avoid what he sees as economically damaging climate change treaties.

"If you want to comply with Kyoto, you need to reduce economic growth and jack up electricity costs," Horner said.

"We need 15 times higher energy costs and an economic slowdown that is 15 times worse [than 2001's], and then, we will get down to the Kyoto prescribed emission levels. This is all you need to know," he added.

'Market-Based Mechanisms'

But Carey, who praised the Kyoto Protocol as "the best international framework that we have to deal with [emissions]," maintains economic growth and emission controls can coincide.

"When our economy is really growing, emissions tend to go up. When it's not growing so fast, emissions tend to lag accordingly," said Carey.

Carey believes the U.S. can achieve both economic growth and reductions in greenhouse gases with "market-based mechanisms."

"The solution would be for our Congress to enact a law, such as the McCain/Lieberman Cap-and-Trade plan, that's an economy-wide cap-and-trade system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions," Carey said.

A "cap-and-trade" concept enables the government to set mandatory limits on total industry greenhouse gas output and lets companies earn and trade "pollution" credits.

But Horner dismissed the McCain/Lieberman cap-and-trade program.

"The Congressional Budget Office reports that a cap-and-trade program is the equivalent of an energy tax, raising the costs of energy to consumers and producers alike," Horner said. The McCain/Lieberman proposal would be five times as costly as an energy tax due to its inefficiencies, according to Horner.

"So let's be less mean to the seniors and the poor and just propose the energy tax," he said sarcastically.

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[countrydummy]

Well??? Interesting thoughts!

[Semper Paratus]

Funny, was realy The Onion, right?

[countrydummy]

bump

[dead]

Global Warming is the most brilliant theory ever created. All results, no matter how counterintuitive or even contradictory, all strengthen the theory!

That's some serious kickass science!

[anniegetyourgun]

Whatever it is, it most assuredly must be Bush's fault......

[phalynx]

I think they are called "self supporting delusions"

[aristeides]

I think they'll keep saying this even if we enter a new ice age.

[countrydummy]

lol! One would think so if we were all brain dead! I remember when we were all going to freeze to death again by the year 2000! Well, I have almost this year! LOL LOL

[pghkevin]

What ever happened to el nino? Thought that was the "cause" of the weather patterns that caused the wet norhteast winter?

[countrydummy]

I have to admit I have no "blooming idea" what you are talking about! sorry!

[Grampa Dave]

This weekend I posed the question on FR, in a reply, "How long would it be before some lying scumbag enviral whacko claimed that this record setting storm was reall more global warming?"

It didn't take long!

[Smedley]

The record-breaking blizzard of 2003, which left more than two feet of snow in some areas of the mid-Atlantic and Northeast, was "very much in line with the predictions of climate models" that predict human-caused "global warming," according to an environmentalist in Washington.

Hmmmm! So far I have heard re global warming:

Record heat wave -- global warming is to blame.

Record rains -- global warming.

Record cold -- global warming.

Record drought -- global warming.

Seems that this man-made global warning is causing all sorts of weather. I wonder if these geniuses would predict that global cooling would cause the same stuff.

[Smedley]

Whatever it is, it most assuredly must be Bush's fault......

Can't possibly be. Bush is too busy pouring arsenic in the water supply.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[countrydummy]

oh of course it would be, since we Americans are all of a sudden "Cowboys" give me a break, we are vocing our opinions and we say, time to stop the madness! Some folks just don't like that! lol lol

[headsonpikes]

"I think they'll keep saying this even if we enter a new ice age."

Bet on it.

And according to the latest models, we could be in a renewed Ice Age within 50 years.

[South40]

Global warming = blizzards?

Sounds reasonable to me!

[Ramius]

It's as if these folks think that there is actually some way that the global climate to remain identical from year to year?

No cycles? No up trends, no down trends, no mega-cycles?

It is a naive and wholly unrealistic view.

[First_Salute]

Global Crossing behind Global Warming Theories?

[South40]

[NativeNewYorker]

a climate change policy specialist with the Environmental Defense Fund

Watermelon. U Texas Masters in Public Policy according to their annual report. NOT listed as one of their science "experts", so she's just a spinner.

[jpl]

Global Warming is the most brilliant theory ever created. All results, no matter how counterintuitive or even contradictory, all strengthen the theory!

On top of all the other ridiculous Bravo Sierra, now they've decided to start pushing the myth that the weather today is more "extreme" than it used to be. The sad thing is, it will work with a lot of people because of selective memory, nostalgia, and the endless 24/7 news cycle that hypes everything today to a higher degree than in the past.

[countrydummy]

Sorry, I do not see the humor in this one. I don't even believe he is, but I believe that their are those that would have us believe such BS....what? In these days and times anyone that would make such a grave mistake? Noway! Propaganda and rhetoric only and I have finally grown up enough to decide myself and of course stay away from the Liberal media!

[Jhensy]

"It's very hard to link one event for sure, but certainly, increased extreme events like this are very, very much in line with the predictions of climate models, definitely," Carey told CNSNews.com.

Very, very telling.

[EggsAckley]

It's not all about warming, it's really about the changes in our climate and our environment

Hey, Melissa!! Irrelevancy sucks, don't it?

[Cincinatus]

Global Warming is the most brilliant theory ever created. All results, no matter how counterintuitive or even contradictory, all strengthen the theory! That's some serious kickass science!

Sort of like the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence -- it's a hypothesis that cannot be falsified. If you find it, it exists; if you don't find it, you've just got to keep looking.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Environmental Says Blizzard Consistent with 'Global Warming' Trend

I thought it was consistent with Winter.

[countrydummy]

how true! If at first you don't succeed, then lie to beat H**l!

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

She said that it would lead to hotter summers and cooler drier winters. I think she's getting her rationalizations mixed up because you guys have had sustained cold and snow. That must be a different aspect of The Model.

Wouldn't know, out here in SoCal we've Destroyed the environment and had global warming for years. Its great, the only time I need long sleeve shirts is after sunset, you guys should try it.

[countrydummy]

Yelp! Lie till you "prove" it right....scream and go to anti-war protests until you "prove" it right and let the commies and socialists send you there (not you personally of course!) I just mean the greenie wackos!

[countrydummy]

Sometimes I would love too! It has been cold as heck since early November! LOL I have cabin fever for sure!

[uncbob]

So how come HOT summers aren't consistent with a Global cooling trend

[katana]

The CO2 (carbon dioxide) emissions generated by the very first automobile that rolled off the assembly line here in the U.S. are still in the atmosphere. They accumulate over time

That is nonsense. CO2 is a product of combustion fueled by oxygen and carbon compounds (coal, oil, wood, food, etc.) and is basically an excreted gas leftover from those processes. It is absorbed and used as a catalyst by (I think) all terrestrial plant life forms except those living underground and on the deep sea floor. The by-product of that is more oxygen!

The CO2 emissions from the very first automobile has recycled through the environment countless times in the past 100 years. Unless it has arrived from outer space, all the oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, and all the chemicals that are combinations of those elements, have been here on this earth for billions of years. Nature continually moves them, breaks them down, and recombines them over and over again through the eons.

Change is constant but balance is continually restored through very natural processes. The earth cools to an ice age, warms to an age of tropical growth, and then cools again. This is proven through physical examination of ice cores and basic geology. Maybe the amount of CO2 has risen slightly over the past 100 years, but that has almost certainly happened many times before and there are natural processes which will correct for it.

How anyone who claims to be an expert in earth sciences would say something like this is beyond me. This is stuff I learned years ago in college chemistry, biology, and geology courses, at a time when the climate boogey man was The Coming Ice Age !

[WilliamWallace1999]

The CO2 (carbon dioxide) emissions generated by the very first automobile that rolled off the assembly line here in the U.S. are still in the atmosphere. They accumulate over time," Carey said.

What an idiot. This line alone blows any credibility she may have been able to eek out. CO2 is in a constant cycle in nature. Photosynthesis is the conversion of H20 and CO2 to carbohydrates. Each and every day that the sun comes up, CO2 is leaving the atmosphere. At this point in human history we just happen to be burning it faster than nature is makin' it. The variables and range of errors in the model suggesting global warning are far too great to blame anything on modern man. During volcanic periods in the past, atmospheric CO2 was much higher and the world survived. CO2 levels came down, and the earth cooled again. We are only beginning to understand the wonder of nature. Global warming freaks are part and parcel of the anti-globalisation eviro-nazi movement and NOT SCIENTISTS.

[countrydummy]

oh, I am not a meterologist and I don't think she is either. Ummh, does that tell us all something?

[anguish]

"The way to reduce CO2 emissions or greenhouse gas emissions is a poor economy and high electricity costs," Horner said

Nopes. It's called nuclear power.

[countrydummy]

well, if you say so, but I would rather clean coal!

[richardtavor]

As a Geologist, I know about global warming and cooling. They are called ice ages, and we have had many. They would probably say the first global warming was caused by dinosaur farts. BTW, the Environmental Defense League was formed in the late 60's by a group of lawyers and dishonest and disreputable scientists. Their motto was "Sue the bastards." Their first court case was to get DDT banned, and their dishonest scientists used the same faulty scientific method: come to a conclusing first, and then gather all of the data that supports your conclusion and disregard any non-supporting data. Unfortunately, The EDL is not the only ones guilty of this--many in academia are also guilty.

[WSGilcrest]

WE had (in my neighborhood, at least) global darkening last night, followed by a significant global lightening trend. Hmmmm.

[richardtavor]

Bush shot down the Columbia from Crawford, TX. He was shooting at a flock of birds and missed.

[Wonder Warthog]

.."well, if you say so, but I would rather clean coal! "

Whatever for? Nuclear is the cleanest, safest possible form of energy currently available to humanity. It would be the cheapest, as well, without the artificial constraints and delays formulated by the anti-nuke eco-whackos.

[anoldafvet]

I heard some idiot the other day trying to explain that the recent severe weather is still consistent with global warming. His reasoning was that so many people were out of work that we were not creating as many greenhouse gases, but that when the economy improves it would be back to record heat again.

[HairOfTheDog]

Well, what I would believe, is that the climate constantly changes, always has, always will.

The funny thing to me about environmentalists is that they study change and 'evolution' of the environment over the millenia in school, but they don't realize, I guess, that the world will always be changing. It isn't a question of whether it should, it just will change. They seem to think that now that we are studying the environment, we should "freeze-frame" everything. It is folly. Both as a goal, and as a perception of the power we really have.

[thetruckster]

Nah. Bush didn't do this one, if it exists. I had heard twenty years ago that bad winters were consistent with El Nino. But it does seem like the intervals between El Ninos is shortening. Maybe it is those underground water heater spouts National Geographic wrote about this month. Maybe they are cranking from way down below the increased CO2 that supposedly is causing global warming.

[Renegade]

Yeah, and because the space program poked so many holes in the atmosphere our weather will never return to normal.

[finnman69]

"Our system is becoming out of balance. That means we may have much, much hotter summers, and we may have much, much drier winters. We may have an increased frequency of extreme storms like hurricanes and tornados," she added.

Basically she has no idea what will happen.

[thetruckster]

"Their first court case was to get DDT banned."

Was that a bad thing?

[Redleg Duke]

Black is white...right is wrong...left is right....gurgle...gurgle...gurgle....

[DeathfromBelow]

"Our system is becoming out of balance. That means we may have much, much hotter summers, and we may have much, much drier winters. We may have an increased frequency of extreme storms like hurricanes and tornados," she added."

Not Human caused but right out of the Bible.