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THE STOPPING POWER OF DIFFERENT HANDGUN CARTRIDGES
2/22/2003

Posted on 02/22/2003 8:34:22 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

General Julian Hatcher, a noted forensic pathologist, in the early 1900’s developed a good formula to determine the theoretical stopping power of a firearm cartridge. His formula has withstood the test of time and validation from other studies and data related to stopping power.

You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power. Values over 55 have diminishing returns in that you don’t gain any significant increase in stopping power for the extra recoil and control you must cope with. Handgun cartridges that don’t make a value of at least 50, should not considered for self-defense. If the rating of your handgun cartridge is under 30, it only has about a 30% chance of producing a one shot stop. Hatcher Ratings of 30 to 49 raise a one shot stop to approximately a 50% chance. Ratings of 50 or higher produce a one shot stop about 90% of the time.

Handgun Cartridge Type ..................... Hatcher Rating

.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain .......... 49.1

.45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain ...... 60.7

.44 Magnum full metal jacket 240 grain ....... 92.3

*.44 Magnum lead wad cutter 240 grain ......... 136.8

.44 Special full metal jacket 240 grain ...... 51.6

*.44 Special lead wad cutter 240 grain ............. 76.5

.41 Magnum full metal jacket 230 grain ............. 54

*.41 Magnum lead wad cutter 230 grain .............. 80

10 millimeter full metal jacket 180 grain .......... 50.3

10 millimeter jacketed hollow point 180 grain ..62.1

.40 S&W full metal jacket flat nose 180 grain ...... 53.4

.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain ....... 59.4

.38 Special full metal jacket 158 grain ...... 26.7

*.38 Special lead wad cutter 158 grain ............. 39.7

**.357 Magnum full metal jacket 158 grain ..... 32.7

**.357 Magnum lead wad cutter 158 grain ............ 48.5

.357 SIG full metal jacket 147 grain ................ 36.6

.357 SIG jacketed hollow point 147 grain ..... 45.2

9 millimeter full metal jacket 147 grain ............ 32.3

9 millimeter jacketed hollow point 147 grain ... 39.9

.380 Auto jacketed hollow point 95 grain ..... 18.3

.32 Auto jacketed hollow point 71 grain ...... 11.1

.25 Auto jacketed hollow point 50 grain ...... 3.7

.22 Long Rifle jacketed hollow point 40 grain ... 4.2

* Jacketed hollow points will have the same rating as wad cutter bullets if the bullet hollow tip is greater than 1/2 of the caliber of the bullet.

* .357 Magnum ratings are taken from a firearm with a 3 inch barrel. Longer barrels will raise the rating of the round.


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KEYWORDS: 45acp; 9mm; ammo; ammobang; bang; banglist; cary; firearms; guns; secondamendment; stoppingpower
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To: TC Rider
The Charter Arms Charter 2000 Undercover is rated a best buy at Gun Tests, and at just $259 is in my price range. The hard part in NYS is being able to get your pistol permit in the first place. So far I am content to defend w my Mossberg 500 with pistol grip.

I'll have to check out that +p ammo.

141 posted on 02/23/2003 9:12:08 AM PST by ez (WHERE'S THE POLLING DATA ON THE ESTRADA FILIBUSTER???)
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To: humblegunner; dix
Bump 'cause you guys need educatin'!!!!


Stay safe; stay armed.


142 posted on 02/23/2003 9:16:49 AM PST by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: ConservativeLawyer
If she has small hands... Browing Hi power for an autoloader and a S&W 442 38 special loaded with +P hollow points for carry and regular pressure lead bullets for practice
143 posted on 02/23/2003 9:17:54 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thanks for the tips. I'll be in touch as the status of NM CCW changes.
144 posted on 02/23/2003 9:25:48 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Voice in your head
LOL! But then I have to convince her to wear that outfit as well to complete the package!
145 posted on 02/23/2003 9:26:31 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (What would the neighbors think?)
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To: NonValueAdded
I have a derringer manufactured by American Derringer which fires 4-10/.45 Long rounds. It has a hell of a kick.
146 posted on 02/23/2003 9:37:45 AM PST by Movemout
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To: WarHawk42
.22 mag will certainly penetrate a skull from any angle! A SEAL officer was assassinated in El Salvador in the 80s with a .22 mag revolver. (Historical footnote.)
147 posted on 02/23/2003 9:46:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TC Rider; big ern
Doesn't KelTec do a VERY smart thing and build guns around existing (available!) magazines, like the S&W model 59 double stack 9mm mags?
148 posted on 02/23/2003 9:49:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Doesn't KelTec do a VERY smart thing and build guns around existing (available!) magazines, like the S&W model 59 double stack 9mm mags?

heh heh, yes they do.

The Sub 2000 can be ordered with a reciever for S&W, Glock or Beretta. The 9mm pistol takes a S&W.

149 posted on 02/23/2003 10:01:11 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: ConservativeLawyer; .38sw
What would you recommend for caliber/firearm for concealed carry for a woman?
I need to do a little shopping for the wife.

I started my son, when he was 5 feet tall and weighed 95 pounds with a chopped 45 automatic. he found the 'soft' recoil of it easier to handle than a .38 revolver or even a .32 auto.

I'm PINGing .38 SW
She has moved from an occasional shooter to a bit 45 fan in the last year or so.

So9

150 posted on 02/23/2003 10:11:31 AM PST by Servant of the Nine (Republicans for Sharpton)
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To: Eaker

Don't tell anyone about this one.....Keep this to yourself........:o)

Stay Safe !

151 posted on 02/23/2003 10:28:39 AM PST by Squantos (Life is like an analogy...........)
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To: Servant of the Nine; ConservativeLawyer
Swervie is right about the .45 auto. I find my Kimber CDP easier to handle than my .38 revolver. Reacquiring the target for a 2nd shot is easier and faster than with the .38. I keep it loaded with 230 JHP's in Chip McCormick Power Mags.
152 posted on 02/23/2003 10:43:29 AM PST by .38sw (girls with guns!)
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To: ConservativeLawyer
I would recommend a Glock 23 .40 handgun for concealed carry. It is a small and light handgun that holds 10 +1 rounds of effective .40 S&W ammunition. If your wife is recoil sensitive then this gun would probably not be a good choice. It does have some recoil when you fire it.

I hear the Walther P 99 .40 S&W handgun is good choice too.

Do not let her carry a gun in her purse. A purse is usually the first article a thief will grab.


This is a Glock 23

153 posted on 02/23/2003 11:39:24 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Polycarp
I personally don't like the Para Ordnance. My brother owns a .45 Para Ordnance handgun and I'm not impressed. It jams every now and again because the magazines are not very good quality.

What do you intend to use the pistol for? Concealed carry? Home defense?

You can't go wrong buying a Glock, Sig Sauer or Heckler and Koch. My next handgun purchase may be a Colt .45 Defender 90 series. I have heard good reviews about the .45 Colt Defender 90 Series. It holds 7 or 8 + 1 rounds of .45 ACP ammunition and it is very light and good for concealed carry.

I am also a fan of the Glock 30 and Glock 23. Both are also great handguns.


.45 Colt Defender 90 Series

154 posted on 02/23/2003 11:50:13 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: RobFromGa
I love my Kahr Arms .40. P9 Covert. It's tiny, easily concealable and fun to shoot.

The only problem I have with it is the normal clip leaves my pinky below the grips. With the extended clip though, its perfect for a medium to small grip.



155 posted on 02/23/2003 11:55:04 AM PST by Stopislamnow
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To: TC Rider
One more reason to love KelTec!
156 posted on 02/23/2003 12:00:08 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Squantos
One doesn't see too many C&S Blade Runner Blasters these days!!!!

Good thing you didn't post a picture of it on the Internet!


Stay safe; stay armed.
Eaker FReeper Status

"The Era of Osama lasted about an hour, from the time the first plane hit the tower to the moment the General Militia of Flight 93 reported for duty."

157 posted on 02/23/2003 12:24:42 PM PST by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: Eaker
I was gonna tell ya it was an 88 Magnum....it shoots thru schools.....

But figured you'd catch on to my fib soon enough :o)

Stay Safe !!

158 posted on 02/23/2003 12:28:12 PM PST by Squantos (Life is like an analogy...........)
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To: RobFromGa
I have been leaning towards the 21 because it is bigger, I am a big guy. What do you Freepers think? I would also like to buy a shotgun and/or rifle for family defense. Any suggestions? I have kids in the 7-10 year old range at my house. Thanks? Any suggestions for safe storage? (I don't consider myself in imminent danger).

I love my Glock 23 for concealed carry, but I am leaning toward buying another gun because of the issue of no safety. About any kid picking up a Glock could discharge it. If you are using a semi-auto handgun for home defense there is the option of keeping the chamber empty with the magazine loaded to full capacity in the gun.

I think the Glock 30 is a better choice than the Glock 21 for a .45 handgun. The Glock 30 holds 10+1 rounds of .45 ammunition and is an easy to conceal firearm. I have had the pleasure of shooting a Glock 30 before and was surprised at how well it handled the .45 ACP round because the gun is so small. You can't get the Glock 21 13 round magazines anymore unless you want to pay over $80 for a 13 round magazine. The 10 round magazines for a Glock 21 cost about $21.50. 3 extra rounds aren't worth an extra $60 to me.

Gun Tests also gave a good review to the Colt .45 Defender 90 Series. The Glock would probably last longer than the Colt, but with the Colt you have a safety. (Sigh) So many guns so few dollars.

159 posted on 02/23/2003 12:33:19 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Centurion2000
So where does a .454 with a 300 grain hollow point at 1600 fps rate?

If you're able to hit someone in the center of the chest with one of those rounds I am sure he will die. (You will probably not have hearing after the situation has ended and you have to buy a hearing aid for permanent ear damage.)

160 posted on 02/23/2003 12:37:10 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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