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Armed Neighbors End Dog Attacks
http://carrollwood.tbo.com/carrollwood/MGAIHP0ZMBD.html ^ | 2/1/2003 | SEAN C. LEDIG

Posted on 03/05/2003 5:21:18 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

TAMPA - Teresa Castellano knows that some folks saved her life. She just doesn't know who they are. Castellano, 25, her daughter, Alysa McBride, 6, and her daughter's friend, Kaitlyn Green, 8, survived a recent attack from two Rottweilers and a pit bull.

It is an amazing story of horror and heroism.

Castellano said it began while she was watching the girls at Kaitlyn's home on Jan. 18. Kaitlyn's father, Sean Green, had stepped out for 10 minutes to run an errand.

Castellano, of Land O' Lakes, said she and the girls laughed at something on television, and that apparently sparked the dogs to start barking and growling. She soon realized the dogs were not playing, and she sensed it might get worse.

She asked the girls to quiet down so the dogs would relax.

It never happened.

The dogs attacked.

``When [the Rottweilers] saw the fear, one of them started biting Kaitlyn,'' Castellano said. ``I told them to stop screaming because they were making the dogs upset.''

Castellano said she laid on the girls to try and protect them from the dogs. She then tried to block the dogs to give the girls a chance to escape to a bedroom.

Nothing was working. The Rottweilers were going wild.

So Castellano and the girls bolted outside the house at 8126 Bay Drive. The girls ran to safety in a neighbor's house while Castellano distracted the dogs. The pit bull, Petey, joined in the attack.

The commotion outside attracted the attention of neighbors and a motorist passing by.

John M. Anderson and his wife were in their car and leaving a friend's house nearby when they passed by and saw three dogs attacking Castellano, according to a Hillsborough County sheriff's report. Anderson drove into the driveway and began blasting the horn and yelling out the window, trying to scare the dogs and allow Castellano to get into the car.

It seemed to work. The dogs stopped biting Castellano, but she couldn't make it to his car.

Anderson, 22, was about to get out of his car when he looked over his shoulder and saw a man toting a pistol. He kept honking his horn and sped away to get his friend, Justin Turner, who lived nearby.

The man with gun was Winston H. Harr, a next-door neighbor. He had heard screaming outside and grabbed his Kimber .45-caliber pistol. His wife, Deborah, came, too.

Harr said he saw Anderson's car moving back and forth in the driveway, and three dogs attacking a woman. Harr fired three shots into the ground to try and scare the dogs. They screamed at the dogs, but it didn't seem to matter. Deborah Harr called the dogs by name, and they stopped momentarily.

Then, without warning, the dogs charged at Harr. The pit bull bit him on the leg before Harr trained his pistol and fired, hitting the dog in the head. He also fired at one of the Rottweilers, and it fell to the ground.

Harr, a librarian's assistant at Jimmie B. Keel Regional Library near Carrollwood, said he fired the rest of his bullets at the third dog, and it seemed to back away. He bolted for his house for more ammunition and a flashlight.

Turner, who had heard the screams and was told by Anderson of the attacking dogs, grabbed his Glock .40-caliber pistol and ran to the scene. He was told there were three dogs, and only one was dead.

Turner, 33, told deputies he positioned himself between the wounded Castellano and the Rottweilers. When one of the dogs made a move toward him, he fired. Deputies believe it was his bullet that wounded the dog.

At that point, both Rottweilers retreated into the house.

Also arriving at the scene was neighbor George Lease, a Tampa police detective. Carrying his 9mm pistol, he found Harr and Turner at the house with their guns.

While Deborah Harr and Anderson comforted Castellano, the three armed neighbors searched the house and found the dogs, one wounded and on a couch and other other laying on the living room floor.

The wounded Rottweiler was euthanized later that night at Florida Veterinary Specialists, said Dennis McCullough, an investigator for Hillsborough County Animal Services.

The other Rottweiler was placed under quarantine at Animal Services until Wednesday, when it was euthanized.

Alysa was released from St. Joseph's Hospital on Jan. 26; Castellano remained hospitalized this week due to infections from the bites. Both mother and daughter needed more than 100 stitches each to close the wounds on their bodies.

Kaitlyn's injuries required 20 stitches, said her mother, Jennifer Harvey of Town 'N Country.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter said no one will be charged in the incident.

For Castellano, she said she doesn't know who fired the shots that spared her from the dogs.

``I thank them with all my heart. They saved my life.''


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To: fawn796
I had a wonderful dachshund. But you're right, they do bite. Mine, under duress, bit two people that I am aware of. Instead of being one-person dogs (like a chihuahua) they are one-family dogs. Kind of a "chihuahua lite."

My LEAST favorite dog is a Chow.

I used to ride my horse through our rural neighborhood in Florida. There was a Rot on the corner, and the owners let him out all the time, and he was vicious. One particular day he got after us, and I just stopped the horse and said, "okay, Phoenix," and then felt the impact of the horse's hoof meeting the Rot's body. He never got after us again.

Right now, we have an elderly golden. He will be our last dog for awhile, I think. He's never bitten anyone.

101 posted on 03/05/2003 9:09:07 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Another glaring indictment of the ten round magazine legislation.

God save us from fools and Demonicrats.


BTW : Who do we have to lobby to get these guys recognized as citizens of the year?
102 posted on 03/05/2003 9:26:52 PM PST by Rasputin_TheMadMonk (Yes I am a bastard, but I'm a free, white, gun owning bastard. Just ask my exwife.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"I am most definitely a breed bigot when it comes to pit bulls, most rotties, and most dobermans."

Yeah, I am too. These three breeds really are trouble outside the hands of really skilled dog handlers...which most private owners are nowhere near being.
103 posted on 03/05/2003 9:40:35 PM PST by applemac_g4
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To: Nov3
My Black Lab was the apex of dog evolution.

Boy do I love Labs. I've had half a dozen over the years and they were all great except for one lovable hyperactive knothead that never quit chewing stuff. I don;t have one now but we are going to get my young son a dog for his birthday - a chocolate Lab, of course. I just love them to pieces.

-ccm

104 posted on 03/05/2003 11:09:24 PM PST by ccmay
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To: dd5339
"Drivin' 70 and carryin' a .45 - Texas like it oughta be" BUMP
105 posted on 03/05/2003 11:23:12 PM PST by 185JHP ( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
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To: Rasputin_TheMadMonk
To be fair, the .45 Kimber is a variation of the 1911 government .45 which holds only 7 shots in the mag.
106 posted on 03/06/2003 5:38:57 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Rasputin_TheMadMonk
P.S. Are you aware that the 10 rnd mag limit as well as the AW ban expires next September?
107 posted on 03/06/2003 5:39:44 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: ccmay
I've had half a dozen over the years and they were all great except for one lovable hyperactive knothead that never quit chewing stuff.

They all chew when they are younger! The breed is truly wonderful and I hope it doesn't get ruined. I am glad this dog is not some status symbol for badasses.

108 posted on 03/06/2003 6:52:41 AM PST by Nov3
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
“Violence is never the answer... If someone comes at you with a knife or gun (or teeth), say, ‘I know you’re upset.’ We all want to be valued as human beings.”

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Jessica Flag, spokeswoman for the 4% of a Million Mom March, Washington, DC, May, 2000, Gore-for-President Rally

109 posted on 03/06/2003 8:34:13 AM PST by pabianice
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One vet says that if you have a child under 5, treat a dog of any breed as if it's a wolf, no matter how tiny and pathetic it appears to be. Where the dog is huge, even more caution is needed. Even a gentle big dog could do damage if it's startled. Here's two teeny dogs who did terrible damage.

Dachshund mauls infant

A 6-week-old St. Mary's County, Md., boy was in critical condition Monday after being dragged from his playpen and mauled by the family's dachshund, police said.

The infant was sleeping in a downstairs bedroom Sunday morning when his mother, Andrea Meyers, heard cries coming from a baby monitor, according to a report from the criminal investigations unit of the Maryland State Police. When Meyers reached the bedroom, she found the dog attacking the boy, police said.

The dog had chewed a hole through the mesh of the playpen and pulled the baby from it, the report states, before biting his legs and feet. When police arrived at the home, the baby was alert but had numerous lacerations on his lower body, a detective sergeant said.

State polic Cpl. Roger Redmond said police were continuing their investigation to determine whether charges should be brought against the child's family.

Police said the incident was unlike any they could remember, particularly with such a diminutive dog. Dachshunds have short legs and long bodies. Even the biggest of the breed weigh only 16 to 32 pounds, according to the Dachshund Club of America.

Pomeranian Kills 6-Week-Old Girl Pomeranian Kills 6-Week-Old Girl

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities said.

The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.

The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.

The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.

Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.

``Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed,'' Solis said.

110 posted on 03/06/2003 2:17:35 PM PST by kaylar
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
Y'ever notice that no one is mauled by a happy Golden Retreiver? Or by miniature dachshunds?

i can NOT believe the gullibility of some of the posters on gun/dog threads.

My brother had FIVE rots and was pretty much neglectful at times too. Not once in 15 years , 4 of the originals have died of age or illness and since been replaced by 3 others and still NO attacks of idot friends that payed rough with them. I slap boxed the entire pack more times than i can count, but they knew that they were loved and cared for , and they enjoyed the roughhousing games. Would i ever let my kid play with them like that or be alone with them? HELL NO !!! they are animals.

Just like the wiener dog that bit me in the face as i was sweetly talking to it next to ITS car. only time ive ever been bitten in anger/defence. Know your animals, know your marksmanship abilities, dont be knee jerks.

111 posted on 03/06/2003 2:22:02 PM PST by Gilbo_3
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To: GunsareOK
I'm with you all the way on the labs. I have two males, ages 7 and 5. They are big boys, with big barks, and they can be reasonably intimidating when they are "on alert." However, anybody that knows the breed would just have to say a few soft words, stroke an ear or two, and they would be his friends for life.
112 posted on 03/06/2003 2:26:25 PM PST by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: Gilbo_3
Just like the wiener dog that bit me in the face as i was sweetly talking to it next to ITS car. only time ive ever been bitten in anger/defence.

Dachshies are pretty bad tempered, aggressive little dogs. They get away with it because they're cute, they know it, and they use it to manipulate people.

I've been bitten by three of the four dachshunds I've owned. Not seriously, and always on the nose. Weiner dogs have this weird "thing" about lunging at human noses. Their eyes get all blank and spacey-looking, and they lunge right at the nose, nipping it.

Then when the human scolds them or smacks them on the muzzle-they get an attitude!Like it was their right.

Weird little dogs.

Gary Larson did a cartoon I wish I could post here. It showed a man lying on the ground, his nose wrapped in padding. A dachshund is latching on to the nose as its pack mates watch. The caption reads, How attack weiner dogs are trained.

113 posted on 03/06/2003 2:28:37 PM PST by kaylar
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To: ccmay
Boy do I love Labs.

Me too! I had never had a dog before, so I did a lot of research and visited a lot of kennels before deciding on my chocolate girl. She was the "boss" of her litter and I had almost decided on another girl who was quieter, but she went straight to my kids, stood on their feet, and shouldered away any other pups who came near them. With an endorsement like that I had to take her home!

She has turned out to be VERY energetic but highly trainable and a sweet lovable dog. She is very small (21 1/2", 45 pounds) She has NEVER offered to growl or snap at anyone, even when my little boy plays roughhouse tug-of-war games with her. But if she doesn't like the look of a person or a dog she will do the same shouldering routine - get herself between us and the other and just stand there, staring. Dogs seem to respect this and approach no closer, and people definitely back off.

We have her in agility training to give her something to do with all that energy.

At her first agility trial.

114 posted on 03/06/2003 2:51:53 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . hark! hark! the dogs do bark, but only one in three . . .)
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To: Gilbo_3
Hmm. I think I should amplify my original posting.

MAULED. MAULED.

Not bitten. Not barked at. MAULED.

The fact is that certain breeds DO have a tendency to go berserk. And they can easily kill people. And do.

Do I mean your well mannered dogs are secretly sneaking out the back and eating children in neighboring towns?

No, of course not.

Did I mean that Golden Retreivers and Miniature Dachshunds are never bad-tempered rotten dogs?

No.

People. I simply made an observation that certain breeds are ON THE WHOLE safer - as well providing what I thought was a slightly amusing image of someone pointing at a weinerdog and saying "It mauled me, officer!"

Given a choice between dealing with a single aloof or strange Rottweiler and five hundred barking Miniature Dachshunds - my choice is with the weiner dogs.

They very seldom leap successfully for the throat.

And you can kick'em a dozen feet, easy.

116 posted on 03/06/2003 6:17:13 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: LTCJ
I like your tag line. My 80 lb. labrador barks but my 5 lb persian cat attacks. Cutest and meanest little thing you've ever met.
120 posted on 03/06/2003 6:43:58 PM PST by BabsC
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To: LTCJ
But I back them both with a 9mm glock.....
121 posted on 03/06/2003 6:44:56 PM PST by BabsC
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
Y'ever notice that no one is mauled by a happy Golden Retreiver?

Or by miniature dachshunds?


Goldens are the greatest, but Doxies tend to be ankle biters!
122 posted on 03/06/2003 6:46:15 PM PST by JimRed (God save Joisey from the RINOS!)
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To: Protagoras
I've always wondered why people need two or three of these animals. One never seems to be enough.

Actually we got this affliction with Siberian Huskies. A large male wondered up and adopted my husband. We got the books, learned about the breed. These dogs are not guard dogs. If the perp pets them they'll show them where the jewelry is. We got a female to keep him company. Even of the same breed the males can be completely different than the females. Both very well trained and always in a leashed harness or on a runner line. They are runners and diggers. They are a handful and require lots of attention.

They look like the dog Demon from Snow Dogs. When we walk them people always want to pet them and say they want one. We always tell them not to unless they are willing to spend the time and energy to do the breed right.
123 posted on 03/06/2003 7:05:21 PM PST by BabsC
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I was aware of the kimber's frame limits, but a high cap .45 would have served better. I can't speak to the Kimber as a firearm, I've never owned one, but I meant no indictment of the Kimber .45.
125 posted on 03/06/2003 7:50:04 PM PST by Rasputin_TheMadMonk (Yes I am a bastard, but I'm a free, white, gun owning bastard. Just ask my exwife.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I wait to see if the fedgov continues to assault our rights or admits the folly of this legislation. If they continue to kneejerk the way they have been since september the eleventh, we don't stand a chance.

I have been in contact with my representatives letting them know of my position concerning letting the ban sunset.

I do not advise holding our breath. :-(
126 posted on 03/06/2003 7:58:47 PM PST by Rasputin_TheMadMonk (Yes I am a bastard, but I'm a free, white, gun owning bastard. Just ask my exwife.)
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To: GunsareOK
"I'll take a Labarador any time for a pet. Like most dogs, they'll sound the alarm when trouble is near. By nature, they're not suitable as attack dogs."

I'll see your Lab and raise you my Newfoundland water rescue dog. 160 pounds of pure muscle, we call her "wild eyed love" but I have no doubt that if you were so foolish to hurt "mom" or "dad" she'd be the proverbial "Fur Covered RAZORBLADE!" She has never growled at anything except the camels on the tv when the "MUMMY" was on. She swims like a fish, and rescues on instinct. We look forward to adding another one as her companion within a year or so. Call them the Beach Patrol. LOL

127 posted on 03/06/2003 8:00:58 PM PST by ExSoldier
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To: Rasputin_TheMadMonk
Kimber is supposed to be a high quality gun. At their price, they better be.
128 posted on 03/06/2003 8:22:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Thank the Lord they did not live in a controlled gun jurisdiction where handguns are banned.
129 posted on 03/06/2003 8:25:47 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Woahhs
As a Professional Dog Handler and a Past Elementary Educator, I must adamantly agree with those who have stated “training, responsibility, and the way we raise our children be they human or animal” is truly the only correct response to this argument. I volunteered to work with the “problem” children and there was no doubt why other Educators did not want to work with these children, just as I have worked with several owners to correct Terrible behavior problems in their “animal” children.

IT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT HOW THEY ARE RAISED. Environment and their earliest education, or the lack of it, is what will ultimately form both the problem child and the problem pet. No one needs to make excuses, for the pets or the children, it is obvious where the failure lies, attend any training seminar for Problem Pets, or any parent teacher conference, that is where the true excuse is found.

Until people learn what it is to take pride in their own efforts, why would we care how our dogs behave or our children, WE can just make excuses for THEM. Especially since WE as the Adults, are unable to make the necessary changes in our OWN lives so that we do not need to rely on “making excuses”. I mean let’s face it… “My dad wasn’t there for me, that is why I am the way I am now…” how often do we hear this? When will we instead hear, “…my dad wasn’t what he should have been, and I refuse to use that as an excuse in my life…”? Why don’t we just own up to our lack of responsibility rather then push it off on the kids or our parents, or EVEN our PETS?

We never gave a second thought to our new dog’s training, after all wasn’t it us who sat on the floor and did nothing but rough-house with the puppy, UNTIL they finally learned what it was we expected of them, and now we don’t understand how they became so aggressive….

MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY…

--In plainer English, Where is it that the “bully” at school learn to strike and raise his hand to hit another child?

MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY…
130 posted on 03/07/2003 8:36:17 AM PST by DaiHuy (MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
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To: DaiHuy
I'm not even going to try to deal your utopian vision of infinite maliability for both beast and man. If you can ignore the anecdotal, and historical evidence that disproves your thesis...you can ignore anything.
131 posted on 03/07/2003 3:30:43 PM PST by Woahhs
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To: DaiHuy
Your logic is really faulty. If dog attacks are a result of human mishandling then all large breeds should attack in the same ratio. Labradors are waaaay more numerous in the US than pit bulls or Rotweillers. Yet studies show that almost all serious dog attacks in the US are by pit bulls and rotweillers (german sheppards are #3). Are you suggesting that somehow Lab or St. Bernard owners are better people than pit bull or rotweiller owners? Kinda sounds like your limp racism analogy in your original post. Pit bulls should be exterminated...I know people that have them and it's a constant struggle to keep them under control. They've been banned in England.
132 posted on 03/07/2003 3:55:27 PM PST by Deb8
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To: dark_lord
He bolted for his house for more ammunition and a flashlight. Did he miss? Or did the dog just eat 5 rounds of 45 FMJ/JHP whatever?

Well...1st of all, one of the dogs had already bitten him. Which may mean his body was going into shock.

2ndly, maybe he doesn't go to the gun range every other week and practice. The vast majority of gun owners don't. Unfortunately, in many areas gun ranges are far and few between.

Finally - firing a pistol at a moving target when your glands have just dumped a massive dose of all kinds of funky stuff into you will negatively impact your accuracy. It is hard to shoot straight when your muscles are all trembling like you just had a double dose of amphetimines. Which is one reason why cops, who do get regular gun range time, miss so many shots in real world shooting situations.

Not to mention he went back to get a FLASHLIGHT. The article doesn't seem to mention the time of the attack, so he could have been shooting in the dark as well, with lots of big white spots in his eyes.

133 posted on 03/07/2003 4:22:43 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: xzins
Time for an anti-freeze party.

Cowards way of doing things, huh?

134 posted on 03/07/2003 6:13:32 PM PST by T Wayne
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To: T Wayne
Nope, Vigilante's way. Someone wrote the other day that it's a good way to rid the neighborhood of toddler & pet-eating coyote's. Guess it's better to let vicious dogs kill kids.
135 posted on 03/07/2003 8:18:22 PM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: xzins
You won't get many coyotes that way but it is CRUEL AND INDESCRIMINATE and the COWARD'S way of sneak attack against neighbors!

If there is a problem, grow a pair and handle it man to man.
136 posted on 03/07/2003 9:34:14 PM PST by T Wayne
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To: T Wayne
Better to have them worry.
137 posted on 03/07/2003 9:41:20 PM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: Badray
Thanks for the welome, Badray! This place is confusing to me, to figure all this out. If I'm slow to respond, please be patient, I didn't even see this until just now! Nice to meet you anyway!
138 posted on 03/08/2003 2:36:25 PM PST by rugerman
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To: rugerman
Nice to meet you too, rugerman. Don't worry about being new or slow or confused. We were are new once and many of us are still slow and confused.

Just be warned that this place is addictive. The good news is that after you spend 12 - 16 hours a day here, you'll figure it all out. You won't have a life, but you'll have Free Republic and 100,000 new friends.
139 posted on 03/08/2003 2:53:43 PM PST by Badray
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To: Badray
LOL, it may take me weeks of 12 to 16 hour days to get this place figured out, but it looks like such a cool place, with folks who think like me, I think it'll be worth it!
140 posted on 03/09/2003 1:17:39 PM PST by rugerman
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To: Badray; rugerman
Can you believe he didn't even KNOW about FR??

How does a conservative LIVE in California without knowing about FR????

LOL
141 posted on 03/09/2003 1:31:43 PM PST by 2Jedismom (You just never know.)
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To: 2Jedismom; rugerman
"How does a conservative LIVE in California without knowing about FR????

LOL

142 posted on 03/09/2003 3:59:30 PM PST by Badray
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To: China Clipper
Wow,

Good post. When do you have us scheduled for the Zyclon-B shower?
143 posted on 03/10/2003 11:37:03 AM PST by HogFixer
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; dd5339
I like Sigs too but I think the single action pull of a .45 Kimber is far more professional than wiggly double action triggers. Although, for $425, one can only get a Rock Island .45 at most in 1911s and I am sure the Sig here is of superior quality and reliability than $400 range 1911s. Of course the 800 to $2000 Kimber is nicer if you have the money.
144 posted on 03/11/2003 2:53:55 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Of course the $800 to $2000 Kimber is nicer if you have the money.

If I had an extra $1000 I would buy an M-1A Springfield rifle over a handgun any day. If a handgun is over $700, it's too high in price for me.

145 posted on 03/11/2003 3:46:32 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: Deb8
Deb: Please read this carefully, you obviously missed some things when you read your statistical evidence. The following was taken from www.dogbitelaw.com.

The dogs most likely to bite The Centers for Disease Control study dog bite incidents, including the types of dogs most likely to bite. The breeds that the CDC considers highest risk are pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas.

Owners of such dogs should be aware that if their dogs attack a person, the attacks may be scrutinized by law enforcement. The reason is that irresponsible behavior with or toward a dog whose breed is known to bite has caused a rising and unacceptable injury and death toll, which authorities are determined to stem.

"Irresponsible behavior" is defined differently from place to place. In California, for example, it can be a felony for a person to possess a dog trained to fight, attack or kill that, because of the owner's lack of ordinary care, bites two people or seriously injures one person. (See Felony prosecution of attack dog owners.)

In different parts of the United States at the current time, there are a number of parents who are on trial for manslaughter because their dogs have killed their children. In these cases, the prosecutors have taken the position that the parents behaved irresponsibly because they left their children in the company of dogs most likely to bite.

There is an 8 out of 10 chance that a biting dog is male. (Humane Society of the United States.)

Although pit bull mixes and Rottweillers are most likely to kill and seriously maim, fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictibility is theOctober 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that: Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog.

An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).

Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be likely to bite. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

Enough said.

146 posted on 03/12/2003 12:06:28 PM PST by DaiHuy (MUST HAVE JUST BEEN BORN THAT WAY...)
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To: DaiHuy
Thanks for the info which totally supports my conclusions with the exceptions of your frequent lapses in logic.
First, the CDC considers highest risk pit bulls. Thanks for that confirmation.
Second, the owners culpability in the crimes of their dogs are irrelevant to the frequency of attack by each breed. Do you understand statistics?
The gender of the dog is also irrelevant to the dangerousness of the breed.
The fact that other breeds have killed (though not nearly in the numbers of pit bulls) is a mistake in logic by moving from a particular to a generalization rather than reaching a conclusion from general data.
The relative ability or inability of an owner to be responsible is a constant variable within all breeds. The independent variable is the breed itself. It does not explain the statistical danger of the pit bull.
BTW, I suppose you read about the child killed by a pit bull yesterday???
The breed should be exterminated.
Enough said.
147 posted on 03/26/2003 5:38:07 PM PST by Deb8
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To: FreeTally
I was thinking the same thing. I believe that the kids screaming worsened the situation.

If the dog owner's daughter is an only child the dogs very well may have not been used to the screaming. A child playing alone doesn't make a fraction of the noise two do.

148 posted on 03/26/2003 5:45:06 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender

Good for the Guys with weapons. They likely saved the lives of the kids.

I know a dog trainer who knew of a local(two houses down) Pitbull that had attacked children on 3 different occasions, but being in a rural community, the local judge didn't do anything about it and in fact only once were the police even called. Only by sheer luck and the intervention of several people did the children live on each occasion.

He mixed Plaster O Paris in several pounds of hamburger and fed it to the dog. The dog died several days later, and the Children are in their early 30s by now. Dangerous animals need put to death. Animals are NOT equal to humans. They live to serve us or rather for us to serve them at Dinner.

149 posted on 03/26/2003 5:54:51 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Deb8
One factor to consider is that no one is breeding Labradors for aggressiveness. Many irresponsible pit bull breeders are. Also, that "limp racism" (which in my opinion has nothing to do with race) is a fact: many people in bad neighborhoods actually foster aggressiveness in an already-aggressive breed.

Add in the dog fighters, and you have a situation which is a bit more complex, in my opinon, than you make it out to be.

150 posted on 03/26/2003 5:57:32 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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