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Straw takes war to the French in vitriolic United Nations tirade
The Daily Telegraph ^ | March 8, 2003 | Marcus Warren and Robin Gedye

Posted on 03/07/2003 5:45:49 PM PST by MadIvan

So often the grey man of British diplomacy, Jack Straw last night let rip at the French foreign minister in front of a shocked UN Security Council, calling on the international community to enforce the disarmament of Iraq "on its own terms".

In what one admiring American delegate referred to as a "diplomatic call to arms", Mr Straw spelled out in the clearest terms that time had effectively run out for Saddam Hussein, his lies and his prevarications.

He launched an impassioned tirade at Dominique de Villepin and France's policy on Iraq in an outburst that marked a new extreme of rhetoric in the row over how to deal with Saddam.

Staring M de Villepin in the eye and packing his speech with liberal references to "Dominique", Mr Straw directed what turned into an ad hominem assault on his French counterpart.

Mr Straw heaped scorn on the logic of countries - especially France - that are set on giving Iraq more time. "Dominique, you said that the choice before us was disarmament by peace or disarmament by war," Mr Straw said. "Dominique, that's a false choice."

M de Villepin, by far the most charismatic spokesman for the anti-war camp, had no option but to sit through his reprimand. But the expression on his face - and its colour - betrayed rage at his treatment.

The ambush - the French, like everyone else in the room, had no idea what was coming - was the most heated public spat between a senior British and French official in recent times.

It was all the more unexpected because, as Foreign Secretary, Mr Straw has earned a reputation as one of the most colourless, if solid, performers on the world stage.

Whether by accident or design, Mr Straw deployed two English borrowings from French to tear into his opponent. He attacked the concept of "automaticité", the notion that voting for UN resolutions against Iraq automatically triggered war, which was a "canard", he thundered.

Giving the UN chamber a taste of the invective and emotion normally confined to the Dispatch Box in the Commons, Mr Straw also laid into M de Villepin over his underplaying of the role of US and British troops in the Gulf.

The presence of "young men willing to put their lives on the line for this body, the UN", was the key factor in compelling Saddam to make concessions, not diplomacy, he said.

The passion of his argument over the impact of the military threat as opposed to diplomatic pressure appeared to put Mr Straw off his stride. "Dominique, with respect to you, my good friend, I think it's the other way round. I really do.

"The strong outside pressure is, and let's be blunt about this, the presence of over 200,000 US and UK young men and young women willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of this body the United Nations."

Mr Straw continued: "There is only one possible, sensible conclusion that we can draw. We have to increase the pressure on Saddam Hussein. We have to put this man to the test.

"The Iraqis have the answer already - it may take time to fabricate further falsehoods, but the truth takes only seconds to tell."

He said Britain, the United States and Spain were tabling an amended resolution giving Saddam 10 more days to disarm peacefully and warned fellow foreign ministers on the council that if Iraq did not comply, action must follow.

"The council must send Iraq a clear message that we will resolve this crisis on the United Nations' terms, the terms which the council established a month ago when we unanimously adopted resolution 1441."

Gesticulating to emphasise his points and straining to keep the reading of his notes to a minimum while making eye contact with those seated around him, Mr Straw demanded that the council must not retreat from its demands set out in 1441.

"What we need is an irreversible and strategic decision by Iraq to disarm, to yield to the inspectors all of its weapons of mass destruction and all relevant information which it could and should have provided at any time in the last 12 years."

The international community had a duty to remember that the only reason that Saddam had changed in recent weeks and furnished inspectors with more information "was for one thing only - the pressure on the regime. Strong outside pressure."

The only way to achieve disarmament "is by backing our diplomacy with a credible display of force".

"We have to increase the pressure and put this man to the test," he said of Saddam in a pointed attempt to heighten the impact of his words by demonstrating that Britain felt it was dealing with a recognisable figure rather than a faceless regime.

"He can act with astonishing speed when he wants", by handing over thousands of pages of documents within days when the pressure builds on him.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; chirac; devillepin; france; iraq; saddam; straw; uk; us; warlist
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This is Straw's finest hour. Message to the French: your lying, obfuscations and cynicism is not going to work anymore. We've kicked your arse for nearly a thousand years - a diplomatic skirmish like this is nothing in comparison. You will lose, and look more the fools for losing.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/07/2003 5:45:49 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Otta B Sleepin; Mr. Mulliner; Semper911; Bubbette; Kip Lange; dixiechick2000; UofORepublican; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 03/07/2003 5:46:04 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
Straw was my hero today! He gave it to the French Weasel with both barrells. This was not only the finest hour for Jack Straw but I would say one of the finest hours in the history of Great Britain! It was fantastic!
3 posted on 03/07/2003 5:49:26 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: MadIvan
Unexpected heroes emerge. God bless Jack Straw, it was indeed, his finest hour.
4 posted on 03/07/2003 5:50:02 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MadIvan
Agreed. I watched Straw this morning and it was masterful. I half expected Powell to jump up and high-five him.

I wouldn't call it "vitriolic" though. It wasn't meanspirited at all. He was aggressive to be sure, but orderly and precise. It was enthusiasm, not vitriol.

5 posted on 03/07/2003 5:51:11 PM PST by Ramius
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To: MadIvan
America and Britian - or Britain and America, if you wish, will liberate an oppressed people. Again.

Because that is who we are, and that is what we do.

6 posted on 03/07/2003 5:51:28 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: PhiKapMom; MadIvan
He achieved the remarkable today: not only did he rip and shred the French, but he did it most eloquently. If anyone has the transcript, I'd love to have it to send on to friend. It was a masterpiece.
7 posted on 03/07/2003 5:51:45 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: MadIvan
My esteemed MadIvan;

You have outdone yourself. This is one of the finest pieces of work I have witnessed from you. Nice Post; and (insert Texas drawl here) .. jolly well done!
8 posted on 03/07/2003 5:51:57 PM PST by Hodar (American's first. .... help the others, after we have helped our own.)
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To: MadIvan
Egad. I didn't suspect the old boy had it in him. Tally ho!
9 posted on 03/07/2003 5:53:11 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: MadIvan
I'm impressed by Straw's performance (from what I read about it here and what little of it I saw on TV).
10 posted on 03/07/2003 5:53:22 PM PST by syriacus (Schumer..peering over your glasses won't make YOU a judge. You have to work hard, too.)
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To: MadIvan
Yes, Straw was wonderful.
11 posted on 03/07/2003 5:54:22 PM PST by ellery
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To: MadIvan
Hehehe, gotta love it. Wish I could of seen that :)
12 posted on 03/07/2003 5:54:23 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Why are all the streets in France lined with trees? So the German army can march in the shade!)
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To: MadIvan
yea, I've got hand it to him. Until recently I didn't think too highly of him but I applaud his efforts now.
13 posted on 03/07/2003 5:54:31 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: *war_list
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
14 posted on 03/07/2003 5:55:30 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: MadIvan; All
Great post. Long live England and thank you Jack Straw. This is a good start to put the world back on the course it should be on.
15 posted on 03/07/2003 5:55:39 PM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: MadIvan
The C-Span replay is on right now, except that it was just Germany and now Syria. Does anyone know whether I've missed France, the US, and the UK, or are these the prior speeches to those? I'm fighting my wife for control of the TV. ;-)
16 posted on 03/07/2003 5:55:45 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MadIvan
Tony Blair and Jack Straw are the most admired men in the world, after our beloved George Bush. Just the opinion of this senior citizen.
17 posted on 03/07/2003 5:56:25 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: TheSpottedOwl
You can see it again: right now the Security Council meeting is replaying on C-Span. Syria is up now. From memory, Britain should be up....very approximately, in a half hour.
18 posted on 03/07/2003 5:56:31 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: MadIvan
I say, Jack Straw for Secretary General of the UN! -- and not Bill Clinton. Sadly, I think we are doomed to get Clinton though.
19 posted on 03/07/2003 5:58:10 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: MadIvan
In what one admiring American delegate referred to as a "diplomatic call to arms", Mr Straw spelled out in the clearest terms that time had effectively run out for Saddam Hussein, his lies and his prevarications

I liked what Fox News called it .. a "Diplomatic Body Slam"

20 posted on 03/07/2003 5:58:15 PM PST by Mo1 (RALLY FOR AMERICA - VALLEY FORGE,PA MARCH 16, 2003 1:00 PM)
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To: Dog Gone
Missed your post. You haven't missed any of the countries you mentioned. You did miss the smug thug from Germany.
21 posted on 03/07/2003 5:58:34 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: BCrago66
I don't have cable, dammit!!!

Thanks for the heads up anyway...
22 posted on 03/07/2003 5:59:43 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Why are all the streets in France lined with trees? So the German army can march in the shade!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Do you have DSL - then you can watch the video from
C-Span.com. Even if you just have 56K connection, you can get the audio, but it might break up occasionally.
23 posted on 03/07/2003 6:01:27 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: MadIvan
A standing ovation to Mr. Straw. I would have loved to see Villipin "sitting and taking it" and his "rage".

Priceless.

Prairie
24 posted on 03/07/2003 6:03:06 PM PST by prairiebreeze (One, two, three, dip, two, three. No Blixie, we've decided we don't want to dance with you anymore!)
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To: MadIvan
Straw's speech was masterful.
And if I heard correctly, didn't he receive applause when he finished speaking?
25 posted on 03/07/2003 6:03:36 PM PST by jigsaw
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To: swampfox98
Sadly, I think we are doomed to get Clinton though.

I thought citizens of countries belonging to the "permanent five" of the Security Council cannot be Secretary General. Oh, wait, this is the U.N. we're talking about. They'll just change the rules.

26 posted on 03/07/2003 6:03:56 PM PST by brewcrew (It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift)
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To: Dog Gone
I believe Syria was the 2nd to speak after the reports were given. If Syria is speaking now, it is just beginning.
27 posted on 03/07/2003 6:04:49 PM PST by Green
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To: Miss Marple; MadIvan
"Unexpected heroes emerge. God bless Jack Straw, it was indeed, his finest hour."

Miss Marple, all I can say is: ~~"Mega, mega dittos!"

And a great big, soul-felt "thank you" to a great ally and true friend--the Brits!

28 posted on 03/07/2003 6:07:20 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia (May God bless President Bush and our troops)
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To: Green; BCrago66
Great. Thanks! Fischer had just quit and Syria is about 8 minutes into it.

I'll either commandeer the nice TV or run to a backup shortly.

29 posted on 03/07/2003 6:07:50 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MadIvan
Ivan, any idea at all if the British troops will have to pull out if the new resolution is vetoed?
30 posted on 03/07/2003 6:09:01 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: MadIvan
"The strong outside pressure is, and let's be blunt about this, the presence of over 200,000 US and UK young men and young women willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of this body the United Nations."

I've heard great things about Mr. Straw's performance today, and I salute him for cutting loose on the appeasers of mass-murderers and terrorists.

He is certainly correct in his assertion that the only thing that has caused this pathetic little bit of movement is the presence of American and British forces; which are very close to being prepared to wipe Hussein and his regime from the face of the planet.

But if he thinks a single American is there 'for the sake of the United Nations', he has spent far too much time in the confines of the globalist's ivory towers.

Every conservative Republican I know---and I know alot of them---will henceforth meet every dollar spent on the U.N. by the US taxpayer with bloody screams and recriminations against any politician stupid enough to vote for it.

Average Americans didn't like it before, but it is a new day. We hate their guts.

That's reality---and the idiotic fools have no one to blame but themselves.

31 posted on 03/07/2003 6:09:26 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: MizSterious
It was an absolute masterpiece. I will check around and see if any of the usual places I get transcripts from has it.
32 posted on 03/07/2003 6:10:01 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US)
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To: MadIvan
I saw clip of this speech on FNC. It was an absolute delight to watch.
33 posted on 03/07/2003 6:10:05 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Here is a link .. you can watch online

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS
34 posted on 03/07/2003 6:10:33 PM PST by Mo1 (RALLY FOR AMERICA - VALLEY FORGE,PA MARCH 16, 2003 1:00 PM)
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To: MadIvan
I saw Straw today. He was brilliant.

He deserves to be invited down to Crawford for an old fashioned cook out..........

Texas style!!!!!!!!!!!!

35 posted on 03/07/2003 6:11:01 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: MadIvan
HIP HIP...
36 posted on 03/07/2003 6:11:06 PM PST by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: MadIvan
If it's at all possible, the French are worse than the Iraqis. At least Hussein is straightforward in his contempt and disdain for us. The French are simply traitorous, backstabbing scum.
37 posted on 03/07/2003 6:11:22 PM PST by Mister Magoo
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To: MadIvan
'The presence of "young men willing to put their lives on the line for this body, the UN", was the key factor in compelling Saddam to make concessions, not diplomacy, he said. '

Amen!! I have got to see the repeat of this on C-Span!!! Tell me when!!

38 posted on 03/07/2003 6:11:23 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: MadIvan
Past Calais it's all wogs.
39 posted on 03/07/2003 6:13:01 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Calpernia
Ivan, any idea at all if the British troops will have to pull out if the new resolution is vetoed?

Blair has already made it clear, we're going, with or without the UN.

As he said, "With you at the first, with you to the last."

Regards, Ivan

40 posted on 03/07/2003 6:13:12 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: AgThorn
It's on Cspan1 right now.
41 posted on 03/07/2003 6:13:13 PM PST by Green
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To: Ramius
Agreed. I watched Straw this morning and it was masterful. I half expected Powell to jump up and high-five him.

LOL .. That would have been great

I was hoot'n and hollering while Straw gave his speech

God Bless this man and THANK YOU MR. STRAW!!!

42 posted on 03/07/2003 6:13:38 PM PST by Mo1 (RALLY FOR AMERICA - VALLEY FORGE,PA MARCH 16, 2003 1:00 PM)
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To: MadIvan
He therefore sends you, meeter for your spirit,
This tun of treasure; and, in lieu of this,
Desires you let the dukedoms that you claim
Hear no more of you. This the Dauphin speaks.

K. Henry. What treasure, uncle?

Exe. Tennis-balls, my liege........

King Henry. .....But tell the Dauphin I will keep my state,
Be like a king and show my sail of greatness
When I do rouse me in my throne of France:
For that I have laid by my majesty
And plodded like a man for working-days,
But I will rise there with so full a glory
That I will dazzle all the eyes of France,
Yea, strike the Dauphin blind to look on us.
And tell the pleasant prince this mock of his
Hath turn'd his balls to gun-stones; and his soul
Shall stand sore-charged for the wasteful ven-
geance
That shall fly with them: for many a thousand
widows
Shall this his mock mock out of their dear hus-
bands;
Mock mothers from their sons, mock castles
down;
And some are yet ungotten and unborn
That shall have cause to curse the Dauphin's
scorn.


It is long past time the French were told off.
43 posted on 03/07/2003 6:14:12 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: MadIvan
Inaction = Appeasement
44 posted on 03/07/2003 6:16:06 PM PST by ChadGore (Next time there's a war in Europe, the loser has to keep France.)
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To: AgThorn
Colin Powell is up now. For those who read Atlas Shugged, he reminds me a little of Eddie Willers, who was too good-hearted to fully comprehend the evil he was up against.
45 posted on 03/07/2003 6:16:08 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: MadIvan
Thank goodness. So he doesn't need the approval of the Labor Party (I think that is the correct name) then?
46 posted on 03/07/2003 6:16:28 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: MadIvan
He launched an impassioned tirade at Dominique de Villepin and France's policy on Iraq in an outburst that marked a new extreme of rhetoric in the row over how to deal with Saddam.

Staring M de Villepin in the eye and packing his speech with liberal references to "Dominique", Mr Straw directed what turned into an ad hominem assault on his French counterpart.

It was great Mad Ivan, not the ad hominem being suggested here.

47 posted on 03/07/2003 6:18:04 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (The UN is irrelevant)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
and the transcript http://www.ukun.org/xq/asp/SarticleType.17/Article_ID.579/qx/articles_show.htm
48 posted on 03/07/2003 6:18:09 PM PST by easonc52
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To: MadIvan
Holy catfish!

I am amazed . . . but I shouldn't be.

Beware of getting the British REALLY riled up - as my dear old dad always said (an accidental alumnus of the 79th Cameron Highlanders, N. Africa & Italy.)


49 posted on 03/07/2003 6:19:20 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . unfortunately they were amalgamated out of existence years ago . . .)
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To: Green; Dog Gone
Thanks for the reminder. I am going to watch it again so that I can see de Villepin's face. HA!
50 posted on 03/07/2003 6:19:49 PM PST by Miss Marple
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