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Don't Support Our Troops - (Ted Rall Alert - Barf Assumed)
Syndicated Column ^ | 3/11/03 | Ted Rall (Barf Alert Assumed)

Posted on 03/17/2003 12:56:24 PM PST by gridlock

DON'T SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

Win or Lose, War on Iraq is Wrong

NEW YORK--Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential frontrunner, opposes war with Iraq. Despite this stance, he suggests that Americans should set aside their political differences once the Mother of All Bombs starts blowing up munitions dumps and babies in Baghdad.

"When the war begins, if the war begins," says Kerry, "I support the troops and I support the United States of America winning as rapidly as possible. When the troops are in the field and fighting--if they're in the field and fighting--remembering what it's like to be those troops--I think they need a unified America that is prepared to win."

Fellow presidential candidate Howard Dean, who calls Bush's foreign policy "ghastly" and "appalling," is the Democrats' most vocal opponent of a preemptive strike against Iraq. But once war breaks out, he says, "Of course I'll support the troops."

This is an understandable impulse. As patriots, we want our country to win the wars that we fight. As Americans, we want our soldiers--young men and women who risk too much for too little pay--to come home in one piece. But supporting our troops while they're fighting an immoral and illegal war is misguided and wrong.

An Unjust Cause

Iraq has never attacked, nor threatened to attack, the United States. As his 1990 invasion of Kuwait proved, Saddam is a menace to his neighbors--Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel--but he's their problem, not ours. Saddam's longest-range missiles only travel 400 miles.

Numerous countries are ruled by unstable megalomaniacs possessing scary weaponry. North Korea has an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the western United States and, unlike Iraq, the nuke to put inside it. Pakistan, another nuclear power run by a dangerous anti-American dictator, just unveiled its new HATF-4 ballistic missile. If disarmament were Bush's goal, shouldn't those countries--both of which have threatened to use nukes--be higher-priority targets than non-nuclear Iraq?

Iraq isn't part of the war on terrorism. The only link between Iraq and Al Qaeda is the fact that they hate each other's guts. And no matter how often Bush says "9/11" and "Iraq" in the same breath, Saddam had nothing to do with the terror attacks.

That leaves freeing Iraqis from Saddam's repressive rule as the sole rationale for war. Is the U.S. in the liberation business? Will Bush spread democracy to Myamnar, Congo, Turkmenistan, Cambodia, Nigeria, Cuba, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan or Laos, just to name a few places where people can't vote, speak freely or eat much? You be the judge. I wouldn't bet on it.

Of course, it would be great if Iraqis were to overthrow Saddam (assuming that his successor would be an improvement). But regime change is up to the locals, not us. George W. Bush is leading us to commit an ignominious crime, an internationally-unsanctioned invasion of a nation that has done us no harm and presents no imminent threat.

Germans in the 1930s

We find ourselves facing the paradox of the "good German" of the '30s. We're ruled by an evil, non-elected warlord who ignores both domestic opposition and international condemnation. We don't want the soldiers fighting his unjustified wars of expansion to win--but we don't want them to lose either.

Our dilemma is rendered slightly less painful by the all-volunteer nature of our armed forces: at least we aren't being asked to cheer on reluctant draftees. Presumably everybody in uniform knew what they might be in for when they signed up.

"I'm horrified by this war," a friend tells me, "but once it starts we have to win and win quickly." For her, as for Kerry and Dean, our servicemen are people performing a job. They go where the politicians send them.

The thing is, we don't really have to win. Losing the Vietnam War sucked, but not fighting it in the first place would have been smarter. Losing to Third Worlders in PJs led Americans to decades of relative humility, self-examination and taking the moral high ground in conflicts such as Haiti and Kosovo. Our withdrawal from Nam was mainly the result of antiwar protests and public disapproval that swayed our elected representatives. It also saved a lot of money that would otherwise gone to save more "domino" dictatorships from godless communism.

Most Americans who didn't actively protest the war at least sat on their hands during Vietnam. We should do the same during Bush's coming unjust war of aggression. Members of our armed forces don't deserve insults, but their role in this war doesn't merit support. Cheering them as they leave and holding parades when they return would certainly be misinterpreted by citizens of other countries as popular support for an inglorious enterprise--and it would make it easier for Bush to send them off again, to Iran or Libya or wherever. Let's keep our flags under wraps.

I want our troops to return home safely. I want them to live. Like a good German watching my countrymen march into Poland and Belgium and Luxembourg and France, I don't want them to win and I don't want them to lose.

(Ted Rall is the author of "Gas War: The Truth Behind the American Occupation of Afghanistan," an analysis of the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline and the motivations behind the war on terrorism. Ordering information is available at amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com.)

RALL 3/11/03


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: moron; tedrall
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To: DoughtyOne
Let's wear it out, ok?
21 posted on 03/17/2003 1:50:48 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: seamole
The only thing I would admire about Rall is if I heard that he was pushing up daisies.
22 posted on 03/17/2003 2:03:45 PM PST by ohioman
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To: gridlock
We find ourselves facing the paradox of the "good German" of the '30s.

If Ted means himself by "we" then he's right - he finds himself in the position of the moral equivalency buffs in WWII that thought Hitler and FDR were just as bad as one another and that there was nothing untoward going on in Belsen-Bergen and Auschwitz - just Allied propaganda. When the time comes for the revelation of just how evil Saddam's fascists were Rall will be claiming it was somebody else's fault for leaving him in office so long.

23 posted on 03/17/2003 2:11:08 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Rall will be claiming it was somebody else's fault for leaving him in office so long.

...Besides, nobody ever told him all of these things about Saddam...

24 posted on 03/17/2003 2:15:36 PM PST by gridlock (Le linge de tagement es printment avec pigment de soya en papier de recyclement totale.)
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To: gridlock
"Jimmy is advocating that America disarm. Apparently, he does not realize that the nation already had a program of disarmament. It was called The Clinton Administration. It is the measure of Carter’s gullibility that Satan means well. We can humor him about that. He also naively believes that things like treason and pregnancy are always unintentional. This was after innumerable state dinners at which he thought he heard Clinton raise his glass and offer the toast, ”Ladies and Gentlemen, here’s wishing ... aid and comfort (( link )) --- to the enemy.”
25 posted on 03/17/2003 2:16:12 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: DoughtyOne
You put a Tom "I kiss commies and dictators butts and love the socialist left" Hanks photo up on FR? Are you nuts??????
26 posted on 03/17/2003 2:17:14 PM PST by Beck_isright (A good battle plan that you act on today can be better than a perfect one tomorrow. - Gen. Patton)
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To: DoughtyOne
Good idea with the posters but why didnt you use real soldiers instead of hollyweird heads?
27 posted on 03/17/2003 2:25:08 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling." Gandalf)
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To: Beck_isright
It must have been a spur of the momment thing .... maybe?
28 posted on 03/17/2003 2:27:03 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling." Gandalf)
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To: gridlock
The RATS went too far and waited too long into their anti-American rants and are trying to soften it by telling us they are for the "troops" Hogwash! They wanted Bush to fail at the UN, they want Bush to fail in the war against terrorism , against Iraq and certainly are opposed to Bush-lead economic recovery. This negative position was their only hope and we must not let them forget their evil stance when voting time comes around in 2004. Start grass roots efforts now to make the issues clear to voters.
29 posted on 03/17/2003 2:43:22 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
LOL, a definite oversight. Since this is a new war, should I go with pretzels and beer or bourbon and nachos for the first evening? It's off subject I know, but I thought I would solicit opinions.
30 posted on 03/17/2003 2:43:50 PM PST by Beck_isright (A good battle plan that you act on today can be better than a perfect one tomorrow. - Gen. Patton)
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To: DoughtyOne
Sad that Tom Hanks is a clintinoid RAT and anti-American hollyweird.
31 posted on 03/17/2003 2:44:40 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: wolficatZ; gcruse
Sorry folks, not everyone enters every thread like you do. I've been getting twenty to one positive remarks.
32 posted on 03/17/2003 2:57:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK; Beck_isright
Well guys, when I make comments on the forum that we should boycott movies by these guys, I'm shouted down at 99 to 1. Can't have it both ways.
33 posted on 03/17/2003 3:02:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Paulus Invictus
I agree.
34 posted on 03/17/2003 3:03:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Dimensio
I disagree with the idea that Saddam being a very bad man isn't justification for this war. Some very bad men did some horrendous things to us on Sept 11th. Yes, he has ignored the cease fire agreement, but he is also a terrorist, and we are at war against terrorists.
35 posted on 03/17/2003 3:06:47 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: dighton; general_re; gridlock
Ted Rall "fans" assemble here.
36 posted on 03/17/2003 4:36:48 PM PST by aculeus
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To: DoughtyOne
Lol not by me i like most of your stuff that one just caught me off guard
37 posted on 03/17/2003 6:23:22 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling." Gandalf)
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To: ladyinred
I disagree with the idea that Saddam being a very bad man

HMMMM so what do you call ripping out tongues rape rooms killing children and parents in front of each other and mass killings torture chambers and tire necklaces i guess these are things that really GOOD men do?

38 posted on 03/17/2003 6:26:43 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling." Gandalf)
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To: gridlock
What you miss is that, even though he claims the USA is as evil as Nazi Germany, he proves himself a vile liar by remaining in this great nation. He is a parasite. A copy of this should be sent to all Marines who come home from the war on leave, along with his home address.
39 posted on 03/17/2003 7:08:15 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: ladyinred
Some very bad men did some horrendous things to us on Sept 11th.

In which case justification for an attack against them would be their horrendous thing, not the fact that they were "bad men".

Yes, he has ignored the cease fire agreement, but he is also a terrorist, and we are at war against terrorists.

Which only means something if you can demonstrate that he is posing an active threat against the US or its allies (not that I'm saying that this isn't the case).
40 posted on 03/17/2003 7:22:10 PM PST by Dimensio
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