U.S. BODY MAY REVEAL ‘TORTURE HOSPITAL' SECRETS

NY Post ^ | 3/30/03 | Brad Hunter

[AmericanPhoenix911]

This is terrible and barbaric news, but not unexpected. Pray for these fallen, whoever they may be.

March 30, 2003 -- At least one of the bodies of the four American soldiers discovered in a shallow grave was "brutalized and mutilated," Pentagon sources revealed yesterday. The corpses were unearthed in the vicinity of the "hospital" at Nasiriyah where U.S. Marines found evidence that the Iraqis had operated a torture chamber.

[Catspaw]

Coalition Troop Casualties, POWs, MIAs

.c The Associated Press 

U.S. and British troop casualties from the war. U.S. totals: 36 dead overall, 29 dead in combat, seven captured, 15 missing. British total: 23 dead. The list of names below are confirmed from family members or the military. The total number of dead includes casualties whose names are not available.

DEATHS:

March 27:

Marine Gunnery Sgt. Joseph Menusa, 33, Tracy, Calif., combat

March 26:

Marine Maj. Kevin G. Nave, 36, White Lake Township, Mich., vehicle accident

March 25:

Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone, 40, Boise, Idaho, grenade attack

Navy Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Michael Vann Johnson Jr., 25, Little Rock, Ark., combat

March 24:

Marine Cpl. Evan James, 20, La Harpe, Ill., drowned in canal

Marine Sgt. Bradley S. Korthaus, 29, Davenport, Iowa, drowned in canal

Army Spc. Gregory P. Sanders, 19, Hobart, Ind., combat

March 23:

Army Spc. Jamaal R. Addison, 22, Roswell, Ga., combat

Marine Sgt. Michael E. Bitz, 31, Ventura, Calif., combat

Marine Lance Cpl. Brian Rory Buesing, 20, Cedar Key, Fla., combat

Marine Lance Cpl. David K. Fribley, 26, Fort Myers, Fla., combat

Marine Cpl. Jose A. Garibay, 21, Costa Mesa, Calif., combat

Marine Cpl. Jorge A. Gonzalez, 20, Los Angeles, combat

Army Pfc. Howard Johnson II, 21, Mobile, Ala., combat

Marine Staff Sgt. Phillip A. Jordan, 42, Enfield, Conn., combat

Marine 2nd Lt. Frederick E. Pokorney Jr., 31, Tonopah, Nev., combat

Marine Cpl. Randal Kent Rosacker, 21, San Diego, combat

Marine Lance Cpl. Thomas J. Slocum, 22, Thornton, Colo., combat

Marine Lance Cpl. Michael J. Williams, 31, Arizona

March 22:

Navy Lt. Thomas Mullen Adams, 27, La Mesa, Calif., helicopter collision

Marine Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski, 26, Buffalo, N.Y., machine gun accident

Army Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27, Easton, Pa., grenade attack

Army Reserve Spc. Brandon S. Tobler, 19, Portland, Ore., vehicle accident

March 21:

Marine Maj. Jay Thomas Aubin, 36, Waterville, Maine, helicopter crash

Marine Capt. Ryan Anthony Beaupre, 30, St. Anne, Ill., helicopter crash

Marine 2nd Lt. Therrel S. Childers, 30, Harrison County, Miss., combat

Marine Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, 22, Los Angeles, combat

Marine Cpl. Brian Matthew Kennedy, 25, Houston, helicopter crash

Marine Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon Waters-Bey, 29, Baltimore, helicopter crash

Date not given:

Marine Sgt. Nicolas M. Hodson, 22, Smithville, Mo., vehicle accident

CAPTURED:

March 24:

Army Chief Warrant Officer 2 Ronald D. Young Jr., 26, Lithia Springs, Ga.

Army Chief Warrant Officer 2 David S. Williams, 30, Orlando, Fla.

March 23:

Army Spc. Edgar Hernandez, 21, Mission, Texas

Army Spc. Joseph Hudson, 23, Alamogordo, N.M.

Army Spc. Shoshana Johnson, 30, Fort Bliss, Texas

Army Pfc. Patrick Miller, 23, Park City, Kan.

Army Sgt. James Riley, 31, Pennsauken, N.J.

MISSING:

March 23:

Marine Lance Cpl. Thomas A. Blair, 24, Broken Arrow, Okla.

Marine Pfc. Tamario D. Burkett, 21, Buffalo, N.Y.

Marine Cpl. Kemaphoom A. Chanawongse, 22, Waterford, Conn.

Marine Lance Cpl. Donald J. Cline, Jr., 21, Sparks, Nev.

Army Master Sgt. Robert J. Dowdy, 38, Cleveland

Army Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto, 18, El Paso, Texas

Marine Pvt. Jonathan L. Gifford, 30, Decatur, Ill.

Marine Pvt. Nolen R. Hutchings, 19, Boiling Springs, S.C.

Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, 19, Palestine, W.Va.

Army Spc. James Kiehl, 22, Comfort, Texas

Army Chief Warrant Officer Johnny Villareal Mata, 35, El Paso, Texas

Marine Lance Cpl. Patrick R. Nixon, 21, Gallatin, Tenn.

Army Pfc. Lori Piestewa, 22, Tuba City, Ariz.

Army Pvt. Brandon Sloan, 19, Bedford Heights, Ohio

Army Sgt. Donald Walters, 33, Salem, Ore.

OTHER COALITION CASUALTIES:

DEATHS:

British:

March 28:

Lance Cpl. Matty Hull, in combat in southern Iraq; death is being investigated possibly as result of friendly fire

March 25:

Cpl. Stephen John Allbutt, Stoke-on-Trent, England, tank hit by friendly fire

Trooper David Jeffrey Clarke, Littleworth, England, tank hit by friendly fire

March 24:

Sgt. Steven Mark Roberts, Bradford, England, combat

Lance Cpl. Barry Stephen, Perth, Scotland, combat

March 23:

Sapper Luke Allsopp, London, combat

Staff Sgt. Simon Cullingworth, Essex, England, combat

Flight Lt. Kevin Barry Main, jet shot down by friendly fire

Flight Lt. David Rhys Williams, jet shot down by friendly fire

March 22:

Lt. Philip Green, helicopter collision

Lt. Marc Lawrence, helicopter collision

Lt. Antony King, Helston, England, helicopter collision

Lt. Philip West, Budock Water, England, helicopter collision

Lt. James Williams, Falmouth, England, helicopter collision

Lt. Andrew Wilson, helicopter collision

March 21:

Color Sgt. John Cecil, Plymouth, England, helicopter crash

Lance Bombardier Llewelyn Karl Evans, Llandudno, Wales, helicopter crash

Capt. Philip Stuart Guy, helicopter crash

Marine Sholto Hedenskog, helicopter crash

Sgt. Les Hehir, Poole, England, helicopter crash

Operator Mechanic Second Class Ian Seymour, helicopter crash

Warrant Officer Second Class Mark Stratford, helicopter crash

Maj. Jason Ward, helicopter crash



03/29/03 19:44 EST

[Kevin Curry]

Oh geez, REUTERS must have missed this one

Let's see: Reuters, Amnesty International, the Vatican, Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat Party, Prof. Nicholas Di Genova, the entire Calfornia Bay Area . . .

Yep, pretty much missed by most of our moral lecturers and humanity nannies.

[Catspaw]

If you want a thread about women in combat, please start a separate thread. Please do not attempt to hijack this thread.

[EarlyBird]

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that a third female was among that maintenance group. But do you mean Lori Piestewa?

Lori Piestewa, 22, Tuba City, Arizona

KFOXTV.com: Pfc. Lori Piestewa Identified By Family As MIA

[AmericanPhoenix911]

Ripple, Thanks for heads-up about earlier post. I looked, but when I posted missed it. Appears there are a number of posts. We should probably stick with the earliest to keep all discussions on one thread if possible. Earliest at top.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/879838/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/879741/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/878845/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/878982/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/879909/posts

[EarlyBird]

If anything good can come out of this, maybe more graphic reports of this'll dissuade a few other pretty little things from joining the military thinking it’s a cute little adventure.

I have to agree. Especially when the enemy we are fighting treat women worse than dogs -- even the women they "love".

[nmh]

Sio do I. I bet these animals raped her then tortured her to death while ridiculing them. Oh, what a horrible death. May both be in the arms of Jesus showered with love and may God punish those guilty for all eternity.

[sweetliberty]

I'm getting confused. Are they referring to the prisoners of war that were on the video last weekend when they also showed the bodies of 6 or 7 dead soldiers? If so, why the change in numbers? This is the second time today that I have read only 2 dead as compared to last weekend's report of the 6 or 7 and I think 5 POW's. If that is the case, then they've changed that number as well. Or is this referring to a different incident altogether?

[elfman2]

"If you want a thread about women in combat, please start a separate thread. Please do not attempt to hijack this thread. "

FR doesn't work that way. Threads don't have a single focus in the replies. If you want to control conversation, here's a suggestion - start your own discussion group.

[Catspaw]

We don't know who's in the mass grave or who was tortured. They could've tortured all of the prisoners, for all we know. That they would mutilate a body is no surprise. They're animals.

[NEPA]

Inside the hospital, the shocked Marines found bloodied pieces of an American female soldier's uniform. Her name badge and American flag were missing.

I wish they would report on how they determined it is a female uniform since over 20 years ago the Army phased out female utility uniforms. Unless something changed very recently the same BDUs are issued to women and men.

They may be assuming it's a female uniform if it's a small size not normally worn by men. Or perhaps underclothes were also found but not mentioned in the article. But the uniform itself is no different.

[nmh]

"If you want a thread about women in combat, please start a separate thread. Please do not attempt to hijack this thread."

In case you didn't notice this thread is about a female prisonor too. Bloodied unform parts were found. Surely it is not a crime to express our concern and anger at what most likely killed her. No one is interested in "hijacking this thread". Or maybe you're just plain cold hearted.

[Anamensis]

Especially when the enemy we are fighting treat women worse than dogs -- even the women they "love".

I don't think they "love" the way we do. What I mean by that is, their culture doesn't have the Romantic movement ours descends from, with the German and British poets, the "just us two forever!" sentiment we celebrate. From what I've seen, they celebrate passion, yes, but when it comes to marriage, it's all about honor, possession, and tribalism.

[Catspaw]

No, dear, you start your own discussion group about women in combat. There have been any number of threads about it this week. It's too bad you didn't do a search.

Of course, now that you've stated you intend to hijack this thread to make this about women in combat rather than about who is in that mass grave and if they were tortured, be my guest.

[sweetliberty]

[elfman2]

" No, dear, you start your own discussion group about women in combat. "

Be certain that I'll give your directions and idiotic labels the attention they deserve, "dear".

[Catspaw]

No, I was on threads that changed from being about who was murdered and who was tortured into threads trashing those same women who are either captured or missing, blaming them for their plight, a vicious "blame the victim" tirade. That's what I'm trying to avoid. Check out this thread for some of the responses.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/875576/posts

[AmericanPhoenix911]

their culture doesn't have the Romantic movement ours descends from
That's a really interesting bit of history that I hadn't yet read about in the context of in trying to understand the radical differences in cultural mindsets. Thanks for adding it into the mix.

[Catspaw]

It looks like you can't take criticism. But if you want to hijack this thread to trash our women who are now POWs and MIAs, be my guest.

[mlmr]

Thank you.