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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; ecumenical; hypocrites; jews; liberals; maryland; silliness; watereddown
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To: TopQuark
Post 415 does nothing to support your position that I can see. Quit blithering about "post 415" and explain yourself.
441 posted on 04/03/2003 10:11:36 PM PST by mosby
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To: sinkspur
No it won't do. Jesus said if you are ashamed of me before men, I will be ashamed of you before my Father. No name causes more of a stir than invoking the name of Jesus.

We will not let His name be stamped out or banned by any man.
442 posted on 04/03/2003 10:11:52 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: honway
I don't believe that these so-called leftist Jews represent the true Jewish religion, anymore than the so-called leftist Christian church represent the true Christian religion. These men didn't care one bit about any God, or prayer, this was a leftist political move.
443 posted on 04/03/2003 10:11:55 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: TopQuark
Sounds more like the complaining state senators are in the wrong location.
444 posted on 04/03/2003 10:12:26 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: mosby; countrydummy
Sorry, I meant to refer to post 431.
445 posted on 04/03/2003 10:13:30 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Oh boy that is too profound: care to elaborate on their position in time? Their spin? Magnetic moment?

Care to mention what the hell it has to do with my post?

446 posted on 04/03/2003 10:15:26 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Delphinium
They are probably leftist all right. WHy do you think they did not even say a word on gazillion of other occasions?
447 posted on 04/03/2003 10:16:56 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
And what precisely are you being "compelled" to do? Listen to a Christian prayer? The horror, oh the horror!
448 posted on 04/03/2003 10:17:53 PM PST by mosby
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To: TopQuark
I agreed with #431. To act any other way causes non-Christians and Jews to run away from Jesus even more. I believe in sharing the gospel, but God is the only one who can reveal that Jesus is the Lord.
449 posted on 04/03/2003 10:18:18 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: mosby
"And now, in the name of Jesus, let us say Amen."

Which part of this Eglish sentence you do not understand?

I think your mind was made before you read anything.

HAve a good night.

450 posted on 04/03/2003 10:19:45 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: jonatron
It just seems that if the prayer had been given in God's name all would have been well, and all would have been content.
451 posted on 04/03/2003 10:19:56 PM PST by ET(end tyranny) (Heavenly Father, please embrace, and protect, our Pres., our troops and those of our true allies.)
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To: Illbay; Revelation 911
Gee, that is how I feel towards the door to door religious salesmen. Imagine that.
453 posted on 04/03/2003 10:20:38 PM PST by CARepubGal (I am an FR Meteorologist)
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To: TopQuark
Posted by TopQuark to HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity On News/Activism 04/03/2003 10:15 PM PST #446 of 446 Oh boy that is too profound: care to elaborate on their position in time? Their spin? Magnetic moment? Care to mention what the hell it has to do with my post?

?

454 posted on 04/03/2003 10:20:44 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: TopQuark
These are people who stand against every Judeo-Christian principal there is in this nation. They are non-believers.
455 posted on 04/03/2003 10:22:30 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: dennisw
Thanks Dennis.
456 posted on 04/03/2003 10:23:49 PM PST by wardaddy (G-d speed our fighters!)
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To: Delphinium
Thank you.

I believe in sharing the gospel,

Even that is understandable. WHen you say "sharing," I imagine us sitting together and conversing, wherein you tell me about New Testament, etc.

This is very different from someone in a position of unique authority leading in prayer in a work environment. It is really hard to call this "sharing."

Thank you again for your post. Have a good Easter holiday, if I do not see you before then.

457 posted on 04/03/2003 10:24:05 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Rasputin_TheMadMonk
And the word if GOD, not g-d, GOD, if you are going to reference the Christian deity, please use His name.

It's G-d to observant Jews.

458 posted on 04/03/2003 10:24:12 PM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: TopQuark
You did a good job with your post. As a Jew I have sat through many of the same circmstances, inasmuchas I reject the whole concept of Political Correctness, I must say that I am not offended by what people pray and whether they invite me to join in. I even sing Christmas carols without losing my personal beliefs.

I have had christian friends invite me to conversion clinics, and to argue with me about the degree to which I am entitled to salvation. In doing this they have stepped over the line. A person should be free in his religious beliefs and his political beliefs. We all should be able to tollerate a little of someone else's belief in a public setting as long as it is not directly made personal.

The senators were wrong, and I agree with others here that they were likely liberal suckups to the ACLU.
459 posted on 04/03/2003 10:24:55 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: stayathomemom
Without Christ, the prayer goes nowhere.

So, for Christians who recite the Lord's Prayer, it goes nowhere? The Lord's Prayer does not have "Jesus" anywhere in it.

460 posted on 04/03/2003 10:25:19 PM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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