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I've had it.

Posted on 05/20/2003 8:43:51 AM PDT by BeerSwillr

I've had it with illegal aliens, illegal immigration, and the complicit attitude of US immigration policy!

My 16 year old has been looking for a summer job for the last 3 months, what he's found has been surprising. Not only are there no summer jobs available, there are no jobs available, period, for someone with no experience.

So you say he's not looking hard enough? That the jobs are there, you just have to find them. HA!

All the entry level, low skill jobs that would normally be taken by teenagers and young adults during the summer are being taken by illegal immigrants, at least here in Texas. The few places that don't hire illegals have to contend with 10 or more applicants for each open position.

So who is this hurting you ask? Just a few teenagers who will be back in school in a couple of months? Just a few teenagers that will contribute little to the overall economic picture? WRONG!

You know the answer. It's hurting everyone. Teenagers would spend almost every penny they earned, contributing immensely to the overall economic health of the US. They would be in the malls, movie theaters, and restaurants spending their hard earned pay, leaving their parents free to spend their money on something else.

The illegal aliens? They used to maintain a low profile. Now, they don't bother. They can be seen everywhere; mowing lawns, planting trees, roofing & framing houses, working at the lube shack, pouring concrete, gathering at several official and unofficial day worker hang-outs in the mornings (when it would be extremely easy for immigration to swoop in and arrest them.)

Where you don't and won't see them is out spending their money (except for at Wal-Mart.) You don't see them at Bennigans, Chilis, Tony Romas, Cinemark, the mall, car dealerships, etc.

Know why?

They don't have any money to spend on the US economy because they're sending everything except a small subsistence back to Mexico.

The illegals are not here to help us or the US economy. Anyone that says they are here to take jobs that US citizens don't want is being disingenuous.

They're siphoning off millions of dollars a year from the economy. Not only by taking jobs, but a host of other ways; education benefits, medical assistance, government assistance, thievery, robbery, drug dealing, you name it, they're involved in it.

And what is the Department of Homeland Security™ doing about this? They're putting on a dog and pony show.

They're outlining major new methods of monitoring ports of entry, airports, etc. with biometrics, fingerprinting, radar, facial recognition technology, and who knows what else, while at the same time doing nothing to monitor thousands of miles of open space where, apparently, it is relatively easy to cross into the US.

It seems to me that simple reconnaissance flights over that vast unmonitored territory would be able to identify these border violations and put a stop to, or at least slow, this illegal invasion of our country.

The Department of Homeland Security™ is largely ignoring the issue. Illegal entry into the US continues unabated across our borders.

It makes me sick.

What can we do about it? Other than mew weakly and post articles like this on the large wasteland that is the internet?

Contact your elected officials and let them know what you're thinking. Let them know you will hold them accountable. It's all in our hands.

http://www.senate.gov/

http://www.house.gov/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: illegal; immigration; jobmarket
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To: biblewonk
Please re-read the post and note "illegal border crossers".

State of origin or beliefs are immaterial so long as the actions are legal & moral and so long as the society has just laws and can recognize morality.

Having just laws and failing to enforce them does not amount to ethical high ground and enforcing just laws does not make a society either fascist or racist.
401 posted on 05/21/2003 6:37:32 AM PDT by norton
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
What I'd like to see is more of an attempt to mechanize farms as much as possible, Studies have shown that could cut down on as much as 35-50% of the intense labor needed on farms. I'd be willing to pay taxes to help farmers in that respect, it's cheaper than subsidizing millions of illegals and their endless social needs.

Agree with you that mechanization would help, however if we dried up the source of undocumented cheap labor, don't you think the farms would mechanize on their own? Same is true for all successful business, if a commodity is inexpensive (be it energy, labor water etc) there's no economic advantage to using it efficiently. When the supply is reduced that's when you see efficiency come into play. Look at the auto industry , when gas was cheap you had the gas guzzler cars, in the 70s with the oil shortages, we first saw economy cars.

In the case of labor, as long as we have people willing to work in slave like conditions (because anything in the U.S. is better than the turd-world) you have business all to happy to employ people with low wages & no benefits. Problem is, these corporations have money and can buy politicians who will keep the supply of cheap , slave-like labor flowing into the country.

402 posted on 05/21/2003 6:44:16 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Flyer
Hiring illegals drives down wages for all of us and sends billions of dollars out of the country.

Absolutely!!! Most people defending illegals seem to be business owners that employ them, or liberals who deep down don't think they're being affected. The truth is that just as a rising tide lifts all boats, so a falling tide lowers ALL boats.

The native-born American who would have worked fast food in the past for $8.00/hr , now can't get a job at McDonalds for more than $5.50/hr. He then starts working at a factory for $10.00/hr, he's happy, and the owners happy because in the past maybe that factory job paid $20.00/hr. This goes on and on up the food chain, the net effect is that everyone's wages are lowered. We won't even get into the problem that with wages in some jobs being lower than welfare or unemployment, some people make out better not working.

403 posted on 05/21/2003 6:55:51 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: All

Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) -- Enforcement

The President's 2003 Budget increases the INS budget for enforcement by $1.2 billion, for a total of $5.3 billion, including the resources necessary to implement the Entry-Exit visa system. These resources will enhance key INS missions related to homeland security, including border patrol, inspections, and the implementation of a technologically advanced system for monitoring the entry and exit of foreign visitors. Key goals include:

Additional Personnel. The INS will more than double the number of border patrol agents and inspectors on the northern border. INS will also install integrated information systems to ensure that timely, accurate and complete enforcement data is transmitted to INS agents and other border security agencies operating in the field.

Entry-Exit Tracking System. The INS will implement a new entry-exit system to track the arrival and departure of non-U.S. citizens. This new system will dramatically improve our ability to deny access to those individuals who should not enter the United States, while speeding the entry of routine, legitimate traffic.

I found this gem on the White House web site. No mention of increasing our southern border personnel. I don't know if this has even happened. The PR is over 18 months old.

404 posted on 05/21/2003 7:00:01 AM PDT by BeerSwillr
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To: norton
My beef is with people who fear for their jobs and their income. That is the same fear that has been used to turn people against each other time and time again.
405 posted on 05/21/2003 7:03:35 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: YankeeReb
Agree with you that mechanization would help, however if we dried up the source of undocumented cheap labor, don't you think the farms would mechanize on their own?

Yeah probably some of the big farms who could afford it. I'd be willing to help the small farmer, maybe with interest free loans or something similar.

One reason they don't is the illegal alien lobby would put enormous pressure on Congress, probably even call it racist. The interests of the American people obviously don't count for anything anymore.

406 posted on 05/21/2003 9:48:47 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: norton
Groups like American Border Patrol and Ranch Rescue are the only hope we have.
All incursions by illegals must be turned back.

Unfortunately, in time illegals will resort to even more violence to gain entry.
The resulting press just might wake up the rest of America.
407 posted on 05/21/2003 10:38:22 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: spodefly
My comments were about Hispanics not illegals.That is where the problem comes, folks always see all hispanics as illegals.They are not working without documentation.It may not be authentic and they may be paid through a subcontractor but no employer will risk the fines by knowingly hiring a illegal.

The point still remains wage rates have not been driven down.If you think the government is helping foriegners get businesses that natives can't get please name the program or just admit to predjudice on the subject.
408 posted on 05/21/2003 12:35:14 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Blessed
"My comments were about Hispanics not illegals.That is where the problem comes, folks always see all hispanics as illegals."
Perhaps.
But this is certainly because of the perception that most are, or at one time were, illegal. Regardless, until this problem is under control most hispanics will be regarded as illegal.

"They are not working without documentation.It may not be authentic and they may be paid through a subcontractor but no employer will risk the fines by knowingly hiring a illegal."
Simply not true.
As long as an employer has plausible deniability, through forged documentation etc, they will and do turn a blind eye.

"If you think the government is helping foriegners get businesses that natives can't get please name the program or just admit to predjudice on the subject."
Ok, here ya go:
The Latest from Capitol Hill: In October, 2000, Congress increased the annual allotment of H-1B visas for foreign, high-tech workers to 195,000 a year for three years beginning in FY 2001. The Senate passed the increase by a vote of 96-1 and the House passed it by voice vote.
These bloated visa numbers are in effect through FY 2003, provided Congress does not extend the increase by another year. After October 1, 2003 the annual allotment of H-1B visas will return to 65,000.
Provisions that required these jobs to first be offered to American citizens were removed.

409 posted on 05/21/2003 1:22:59 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward
As long as an employer has plausible deniability, through forged documentation etc, they will and do turn a blind eye.

I think that is the situation I outlined in my statement above.

The Latest from Capitol Hill: In October, 2000, Congress increased the annual allotment of H-1B visas for foreign, high-tech workers to 195,000 a year for three years beginning in FY 2001. The Senate passed the increase by a vote of 96-1 and the House passed it by voice

This is an opportunity for highly skilled workers to come into the country.It does not relate to my challenge to prove that the government is setting up foriegners in their own businesses.Read the thread the point is don't just blame foriegners for your problems.
410 posted on 05/21/2003 7:30:21 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
They're going to have to pay at the ballot box

Bush-Cheney are complicit with illegal immigration. So are you going to vote Democrat? Well, then there will be even more illegal immigration.

It's funny how little democracy has to do with the will of the people.

411 posted on 05/21/2003 7:37:56 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Okay, now it works: Knight's Quest, at http://geocities.com/engineerzero)
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To: JoeSchem
So are you going to vote Democrat?

No, but I am going to write in Tom Tancredo during the primary. And if Bush continues to do nothing on these borders, you might see more than a few conservatives go fishing on election day.

It's going to be closer than he thinks.

412 posted on 05/21/2003 7:44:46 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: BeerSwillr
I'm going to label this a "lava" thread.

It's going to be hit slowly but surely on FR, but it'll seem to go forever. Even the ocean won't truly stop it, just make it steam a little......

413 posted on 05/21/2003 7:49:18 PM PDT by b4its2late
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To: b4its2late
I'm going to label this a "lava" thread.

Last year there was a lava thread like this that had over 2000 posts. This one hasn't even begun yet lol.

414 posted on 05/21/2003 7:52:17 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Last year there was a lava thread like this that had over 2000 posts. This one hasn't even begun yet lol.

Heh heh heh. If I'm thinking about the same tread that was the Grand Central Station for a Grassroots effort to stop Bush's 245(i) amnesty bill from passing and I think that thread clocked out at around 2800 (and it would have gone higher IF...). Our work did pay off, at least in the Senate and we made more than a few Republican representatives sweat about their decision on that amnesty bill. A year and 2 million illegals later I wonder if we could assemble that same level of influence now.

415 posted on 05/21/2003 9:06:32 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: WRhine
Can't remember if you were on it or not, but Sarcasm posted it and I believe it was a Tancredo thread, turned into quite a nasty barfight. It's actually been my favorite thread, I was still new at FR at the time, there was excellent debating going on and PRND21, Advogado (now banned), and Dane were all on hand for the usual insults lol. Today it would be in the The Smokey Backroom.
416 posted on 05/21/2003 9:31:43 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: WRhine
Here it is, and yes you're on it too. Excellent thread.
417 posted on 05/21/2003 9:47:19 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Yeh, that's the thread I was thinking about. Thanks much for the link. On reading some of the old commentary I see not much has changed in the last year. One could cut and paste the comments from that thread on any immigration thread today and the content would still be fresh.
418 posted on 05/21/2003 10:34:03 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
there was excellent debating going on and PRND21, Advogado (now banned), and Dane were all on hand for the usual insults lol

Tacky. And you lie.
I checked out your excellent debating...nice Storm Front graphics.

419 posted on 05/21/2003 10:53:38 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: b4its2late
I was surprised by the number of hits it's received so far. It's obvious something has to be done about this illegal immigration situation. Most everyone on this forum seems to agree on that point. My big question is how do we get this to a national level where we can get something done about it.
420 posted on 05/22/2003 7:43:16 AM PDT by BeerSwillr
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