Feminism's Third Wave

Lewrockwell.com ^ | May 23, 2003 | Angela Fiori

[Loyalist]

If they want to shoot for partnership at a big-name firm, they'd better be prepared to put in 70 hour weeks for six or seven of their prime childbearing years.

If they want a family and a life, there are lots of smaller firms, government, and corporate counsel slots.

[Maximilian]

Tell it to my law school class, which is half women. Few of them seem to understand that they're taking themselves out of the marriage market.

I was just talking this past week to a beautiful, smart, traditional, moral woman who also happens to be a lawyer. She's 35 and her marriage prospects are not great. The ironic thing is that she'd be a great catch in today's situation, but men are too gun-shy to even think about marrying a lawyer in most cases. Also, I don't think she has come to grips with the fact that her own decisions have resulted in putting her in this situation. Many of us don't wake up to the realities of life until our late 30's. But for women, that can be too late.

[wimpycat]

Very well put.

[independentmind]

I understand the workload of attorneys quite well. I have several of them in my family.:)

I still disagree with what you said earlier. In fact, in some of the more presitigious firms, it is considered quite a faux pas not to have a wife without a certain pedigree.

[independentmind]

Thanks for the kind words, wimpycat.

[spodefly]

'Who says you can't have it all, shallow feminist' Bump.

[TradicalRC]

Perhaps not THE solution but a healthy part of the solution.
Having women stand strong for traditional values helps the debate in our favor for the simple fact of disarming the feminista with their ad hominem attacks such as misogynist or neanderthal.

Feminists have positioned the debate so that they speak for Women, not merely feminists. Conservative women need to stand toe to toe with them for several reasons; one being that young women need to know that you do NOT have to be a feminist to be thought of as "strong". There is more strength in being graceful than in being bitchy.

Feminists such as Erica Jong completely resented being "defined by men", then she turned around and wanted to define women in nothing but feminist terms. There is an old curse about becoming what you hate and many feminists who decried sexism became sexists.

Women decrying feminism are long overdue. I would be the last person to take a baton to their knees at this stage of the game.

[independentmind]

There is more strength in being graceful than in being bitchy.

I couldn't agree more. I just don't hear that from Fiori. And as long as we're on the subject, another female writer with long blond hair and a bone-thin body comes to mind...

[dfrussell]

...beautiful, smart, traditional, moral woman who also happens to be a lawyer

Why does this remind me of the setup for a joke?

You know... the one about a tombstone request for "Here lies a yadda yadda... and a lawyer"?

And they guy tells the requestor that it's illegal to bury two people in the same grave... :)

[Salvation]

**My great interest is in the churches (Catholic and Evangelical alike) where it's an even sadder story in singles groups, where innocent, bookish, never-married men like my brothers who have been in the church since their teens, are perversely brought together with cynical, used-up, divorce-battered women**

A bump for all Christian men! I have witnessed the scenario above. Sickening.

[TradicalRC]

Sorry, but I have trouble coming down on those two because they don't suit your tastes. I don't expect to like everyone I work with or have as family but I recognize when they are on the right side of the debate.

[independentmind]

Fiori and Coulter like to preach to the choir.

Neither one of them will ever be successful in convincing women who don't already agree with them. And both of them have a mean streak which should be a turn off to gracious, non-bitchy women.

I'm more interested in women who can formulate a message that your average, non-political junkie, adult female will recognize as true.

My vote goes to Pia de Solenni.

[independentmind]

And Edith Stein, too.

[AlbionGirl]

Very well put.

I happen to like both Ann and Angela. They can be firebreathers but that's called for from time to time, and was refrained from for much too long a period of time, IMO. Passion convinces many who can be influenced.

No serious social movement happened by impetus of bland reason. Everyone loves a good speaker because a good speaker can move them.

The passion of Christ is what made me love him, not the parables, as beautiful as they were and are.

[independentmind]

No serious social movement happened by impetus of bland reason. Everyone loves a good speaker because a good speaker can move them.

Uh-huh. Do you have any female friends or colleagues who are liberals, who are pro-abortion, who have gone through very bad divorces, who are lesbians, or just generally couldn't care less about politics? My guess is that most American women fall into one of those categories. Or do you mostly interact with people who think just like you do?

[Coleus]

http://www.feministsforlife.org
http://www.sba-list.org

At least there are some on our side.

[Coleus]

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[TradicalRC]

Aristotle tells us that three things are required to make a good argument: Pathos, Ethos and Logos.

Pia does play well to a more adult mind of the classical liberal persuasion and one could certainly do a lot worse.

I prefer the splenetic approach of these femme noirs to the cool rationalism of Dr. de Solenni. Adopting as she does the role of Christian feminist, she strikes me as an appeaser rather than an adversary of liberalism.

Please do not take this as meaning I think she is a liberal, merely that she seems to be walking the line. I have no wish to undermine her in any way, she is still on the right side of the issues(mostly).

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[AlbionGirl]

Uh-huh. Do you have any female friends or colleagues who are liberals, who are pro-abortion, who have gone through very bad divorces, who are lesbians, or just generally couldn't care less about politics?

What does this have to do with my point about bland reason not being as effective as passion to persuade those who can be persuaded? How many pro-abortion women are going to give that one up easily, most especially with the tool of bland reason? My guess is that most women who have gone from pro-abort to pro-life have done so because of something vibrant and not bland. Uh-huh INDEED!!

My guess is that most American women fall into one of those categories.

So what? Again, how does that prove against my view of the benefit of a passioned response?

Or do you mostly interact with people who think just like you do?

Why that question lacks definite grace, and has a bitchy component to it. We don't agree, so what?

Try not to let a little word like bland set you off, especially when your expounding on the efficacy of prosaic formulation as a superior method of persuasion for the average, non-political archetype you've created.

Try not to indulge your insecurities, it'll make your mind even more 'independent'.