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New Mexico: Family Sues Minister For H--- Of A Prediction
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| July 17, 2003
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Posted on 07/17/2003 6:52:47 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
These people need to grow up. Suing someone because you got insulted is about the biggest neon sign saying "I'm a complete pansy" that I can think of.
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07/17/2003 6:55:33 AM PDT
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07/17/2003 6:55:50 AM PDT
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To: yankeedame
What damages? According to scripture, if you live in sin, you will be in hell...The Priest is right...not tactful and timely, but is right.
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posted on
07/17/2003 6:55:58 AM PDT
by
Zavien Doombringer
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To: yankeedame
FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE.
To: yankeedame
One of the plaintiffs allegedly said people in the town "are staring at her, thinking her father is in hell." no...they're probably staring at her thinking, "i can't friggin' believe she's getting a lawyer. what a nimrod.....always gotta blame somebody...."
crikey.....
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posted on
07/17/2003 6:59:27 AM PDT
by
ZinGirl
To: yankeedame
This was a tasteless thing to say at someone's funeral (if in fact he said it). However, if a clergyman can be successfully sued for saying that someone is going to hell, then we will no longer have freedom of religion in this country (not to mention the implications for freedom of speech).
To: yankeedame
AND.....I'm curious to see just how they're going to PROVE he's in hell.....unless they find him wandering around Berkley campus.
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posted on
07/17/2003 7:02:34 AM PDT
by
ZinGirl
To: yankeedame
We live in a media-inspired world now where ALL people will go to heaven to meet up with our Disney-type god. After all, evil is just a judgement call anyway, and our new god would never send us to hell, now would he? But this god that's being flaunted at us by the secular world was made by man. We forget that man was made by God, not god by man. And He has high standards.
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posted on
07/17/2003 7:04:36 AM PDT
by
laweeks
There First Amendment protections to religion are too robust for this suit to even prevail at the trial level.
Churches have the right to teach anything they want, with very limited exceptions. For instance, advocating direct violence against a group of people will probably be illegal, but claiming that sinners go to hell rises to level of summary dismissal.
To: yankeedame
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at reading this.
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posted on
07/17/2003 7:06:30 AM PDT
by
AmericanInTokyo
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To: laweeks
IMHO, it's God's job to judge who is going to hell and who isn't, not the priests.
And this was a tacky thing to say at a funeral - telling a parishioner they are hellbound should be done before they die to give them a chance to turn it around.
Funerals are for comforting the family, not lecturing the dead person over something that can't be changed at that point.
But is it lawsuit-worthy? No way.
Just my $.02.
LQ
To: yankeedame
The country has gone crazy with stupid law suits. This is another fine example.
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posted on
07/17/2003 7:13:01 AM PDT
by
Fiddlstix
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To: yankeedame
he may very well be there - but it was incredibly tactless and tasteless thing to say it at the funeral.
Kathleen Kentish-Lucero Family's lawyer They say Mr Martinez had been a practising Catholic all his life, but was too ill to attend church in his last year.
....just curious - how many sick calls did the good priest make, tending his flock during that period?
The road to hell is paved with the skulls of jackasses like him
To: Revelation 911
Do any churches preach that people go to hell(or heaven) before Judgement Day?
To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
This was a tasteless thing to say at someone's funeral (if in fact he said it). Assume he was saying it for the benefit of those who have ears to hear. - There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
- And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
- And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
- And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
- And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
- And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
- But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
- And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
- Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
- For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
- Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
- And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
- And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
To: yankeedame
The complaint also said that as Father Mansfield walked to the grave, he laced his comments about Mr Martinez with profanities. I think they are going to need to have witnesses who are not related to the family to make that one stick. Unless they can prove the good priest had a little too much communion wine.
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posted on
07/17/2003 7:26:32 AM PDT
by
ikka
To: Revelation 911
just curious - how many sick calls did the good priest make, tending his flock during that period? Mansfield needs some pastoral guidance, which I'm sure he'll get from his Archbishop, Michael Sheehan, when this lawsuit hits his desk.
What an incredibly stupid and insensitive thing to say at a funeral! I'd have stood up and gotten in this twit's face, challenged him to PROVE what he was saying!
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posted on
07/17/2003 7:27:28 AM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: ZinGirl
She should get a Canon lawyer to try to get her father out of hell! LOL!
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posted on
07/17/2003 7:27:43 AM PDT
by
Dudoight
To: Unassuaged
Bummer, I see that there is a link to calcs on thier homepage, but it is broken!
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