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Posted on 08/20/2003 3:05:55 PM PDT by demlosers
Edited on 04/13/2004 1:41:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Can you not read? You were responding to a Dakmar post as bizarrely reposted by f.C.
Praise Him for His wonderous works!
No - those are the result of sin entering the world. Creation has been cursed, but will be restored. Disease and suffering were not part of the original design. But, God has provided a remedy in His Son. Your references above are part of a sin-afflicted world.
Nor does evolution. All evolution states is that the origins of the living organisms we see can be explained by natural processes; just as calculus states that dynamical systems can be explained by a particular kind of mathematical equations. By showing how x changes with time, does calculus try to get rid of God, in saying that x does not change simply according to His will, but according to a set of mathematical laws? By doing medical research, do we try to get rid of God in curing the sick?
Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?
I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all hristians, all authority, and ourselves.
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blaspemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must pratice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengenance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)
Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuternomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Thoses villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.
Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).
Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.
Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.
So DittoJed2, are you going to claim Martin Luther wasn't a real Christian?
This is like talking to a brick wall.
Saying it is neutral doesn't work, because in standing against Scripture and the supernatural it has forfeited such neutrality.
Evolution contradicts a literal reading of your personal favorite creation story. It does not contradict any moral teaching, per se.
"see, science say that lice came about 70,000 years ago (or whatever, I can't see the thread right now). The Bible can't be right!"
The first person to bring the Bible into it was an anti-evolution poster.
I believe Luther's words speak for themselves, and I would not dream of setting myself up as an authority on Christianity in opposition to a man whose name graces Protestant churches all over the world.
If you're going to dive into a thread on biology with a bunch of irrelevant nonsense about the origins of the Naziism, then be prepared to have a real, unrestricted discussion on all the social factors that gave rise to Naziism. Have you read Goldhagen's book?
By the way, you never answered my query on another thread about whether evolution was widely taught in the South betwen 1865 and 1965? the South was definitely Christian during that period. Was it Darwinist?
just as calculus states that dynamical systems can be explained by a particular kind of mathematical equations. By showing how x changes with time, does calculus try to get rid of God, in saying that x does not change simply according to His will, but according to a set of mathematical laws? By doing medical research, do we try to get rid of God in curing the sick? You are comparing apples with oranges. Scripture makes distinct truth claims for itself. In postulating that these things did not occur the way Scripture says they occurred, Evolution is setting itself up over Scripture.
Yes, but what about astronomy? Most of today's creationists have given up the game before they even started, but there are some creationists who are able to see the Big Picture:
Once Satan's counterfeit of God's Truth of an earth-centered geocentric universe gained control of "higher" education, the way was clear to foist his evolutionary counterfeit into the corridors of academia with very little opposition! The real spade work had already been done!
Copernicans Voltaire and Erasmus Darwin (Charles' grandfather) were developing "ape-man" theories in the 1700's. ... Is there anyone anywhere who will not give 100 to 1 odds that the earliest proselytizers of evolutionism were not avowed Copernicans, having just received that great quantum leap in "wisdom" from their grandfathers?? I can find none.
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Thus, secure from any credible attack on their Copernican "science" front, the new Darwinian "science" offensive could then link hands with the "established scientific truth" of a rotating, orbiting Earth and forge boldly ahead toward the goal of pushing the Bible completely off stage as a repository of Truth.
In all this, as many of you know, Ernst Haeckel was a powerful force early in the establishment of Darwinism. This biological note about Herr Haeckel succinctly tells what happened and why it happened: "Ernst Haeckel wedded the idea of classical physics [Copernicanism] with the new Darwinian history of nature to form a comprehensive materialist cosmology, or `anti-theology'..."14 (More on Haeckel HERE.)
This "comprehensive materialist cosmology" is what Creationists today are up against and, excepting a handful, they do not know it! Evolutionism does NOT stand alone as a Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception, Satanically conceived. Oh no! Evolutionism is historically, philosophically, scientifically, and spiritually WEDDED TO a previously conceived Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception called Copernicanism! The Creation "movement" today denies or ignores this wedded union and thus is not 1/50th the threat to Satan's kingdoms in this world that it can and should be.
Fellow Creationists: It's wake-up time!!
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While knowledgeable Creationists have known about the Communist-Socialist-Humanist dependency upon evolutionism, they have not generally known or thought about the Copernican connection to the same "isms". It is now time to understand this connection! It is now time to understand how Copernicanism PAVED THE WAY for the acceptance of Darwinism, and how Darwinism, in turn supplied the basis for conquest of the Social and Behavioral "sciences" (and the Arts, Mathematics, and Religion). It is time to understand that Communism and Humanism are equally dependent upon that other foundational "scientific" principle that goes hand in glove with evolutionism. That pre-evolutionary principle was and is Bible-bashing Copernicanism....
Does someone say they aren't convinced that the very heartbeat of Communist and Humanist ideology is the anti-Bible moving earth concept we call Copernicanism??
Let such a one lend an ear to what a gathering of Communist scientists in London in 1931 were saying. They knew that their system absolutely depended on a conviction that nothing in the universe can be motionless. (If anything could be motionless, then the earth could be as the Bible says, and the game would be over!)
See? Copernicanism had already "fertilized the ground" for both Darwinism & Communism 300 years earlier!
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