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Texas Redistricting - Senate [PASSES!] new redistricting !!!
The Dallas Morning News | October 12, 2003 | The Dallas Morning News Staff

Posted on 10/12/2003 3:38:54 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP

Texas Redistricting - Senate set to vote and pass new map

Excerpt from THIS THREAD:

AUSTIN - The Texas House approved a sweeping government reorganization measure Sunday, acquiescing to Senate terms for giving final approval to a congressional redistricting map.

The House approved the measure by a 79-35 vote, then adjourned the third special session.

Final passage of the Republican-backed redistricting map now rests with the Senate.

Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst previously said the Senate would not approve the map until the House passed the unrelated bill intended to reorganize state government.

"I'm personally ready to call their bluff in the Senate," said Rep. Terry Keel, R-Austin, arguing against the government reorganization bill.

The Senate was scheduled to convene at 6 p.m.

Dewhurst said senators can only vote on redistricting Sunday, not filibuster, because he has closed down debate.

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To: yall

Senate signs off on redistricting map

Six months and three special sessions later, plan sits on Perry's desk

10:16 PM CDT on Sunday, October 12, 2003

By ROBERT T. GARRETT / The Dallas Morning News

AUSTIN – The Senate on Sunday capped six months of political warfare, approving a congressional redistricting map drawn to increase Republican representation in Washington.

Senators adjourned the year's third special session about 7:30 p.m. after sending the congressional redistricting bill to Gov. Rick Perry by a mostly party-line vote, 17-14.

The new congressional districts are designed to favor the GOP in four to seven districts that Democrats now hold, swinging the balance of power. Democrats control 17 of the state's 32 seats in the U.S. House.

All 12 Democratic senators voted against the plan. They were joined by dissenting Republicans Troy Fraser of Horseshoe Bay and Bill Ratliff of Mount Pleasant.

"The northern half of my current district becomes dominated by suburban D-FW," Mr. Ratliff said. "My constituents didn't want to do redistricting. I didn't want to do redistricting."

The bruising battle left Democrats smoldering with resentment.

"It's ... a sad day because it was just a clear, blatant abuse of power intended to build the Republican Party at the expense of Democrats and more specifically, the white incumbent, the Anglo incumbent, and the minorities whom they represent," said Sen. Judith Zaffirini, D-Laredo.

And, alluding to Democrats' next move, Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, said, "Before the sun sets tomorrow, someone will probably be in a court."

GOP bickering

The often-contentious debate also deepened differences between Republican leaders, with sniping between Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and House Speaker Tom Craddick of Midland.

The two men ended the session disputing each other's accounts of whether, on Friday morning, they had agreed on the sequence in which the Legislature would vote on redistricting and an unrelated state government reorganization bill.

Mr. Dewhurst said he told the speaker the reorganization, which would strip powers from GOP Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn, was important to a number of senators whose votes were key to passing the new congressional map. Mr. Dewhurst said Mr. Craddick agreed the House would pass redistricting and government reorganization, but the House later appeared to be reneging on the anti-Strayhorn measure.

"We did not have a deal on redistricting," Mr. Craddick shot back. "That's crazy. ... That didn't happen."

The squabbling was academic. The House on Sunday afternoon passed the bill stripping Mrs. Strayhorn's office of power to audit schools and state agencies. GOP senators who had held the redistricting bill hostage, because they wanted Mrs. Strayhorn punished for criticisms of the Legislature, agreed to proceed to a final vote on redistricting.

All through the third special session, Republicans in the two chambers were at odds. Differences were resolved when U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, arrived in Austin last week to mediate.

Mr. DeLay had earlier lobbied the Republican leadership to redraw congressional lines crafted by the federal court after the Legislature could not agree in 2001.

Democrats have denounced the resulting map as racist, while Republicans have said it was necessary to undo past gerrymandering and to better reflect the state's tilt toward the GOP, which controls all top state offices.

Redistricting gained momentum this year after Republicans claimed a majority of the state House and Senate.

House Democrats blocked it during the regular session, fleeing in May to Oklahoma and denying the chamber a quorum to do business.

In late June, Mr. Perry summoned lawmakers back to Austin to work on redistricting, but Senate rules required that two-thirds of the chambers' members approve any measure before it could come to the floor for a vote.

A second special session also ended in failure after 11 Democratic senators, upset that the two-thirds rule had been subsequently jettisoned, holed up in New Mexico for 45 days. That denied the Senate a quorum, broken Sept. 2 when Mr. Whitmire left the Democrats and returned to Texas.

Mr. Perry called a third special session, highlighted by wrangling within the GOP over West Texas and Mr. Craddick's demand for a district anchored in his hometown of Midland.

Effect on primary

While Mr. DeLay's mediation provided a comprise, it likely will mean that the state's primary will be a week later than planned, on March 9. The extra time will be needed for U.S. Justice Department and federal court review of the plan.

If the new district map, which the House passed Friday, gains necessary approval, it will eliminate one of the last vestiges of the era, from the 1870s to the 1970s, when Democrats ruled Texas' political roost.

The map was changed in the third special session's waning days to reflect an aggressive Republican strategy to go after white Democratic incumbents. Democrats claimed the tactic violates the federal Voting Rights Act, weakening minorities' ability to elect representative members to Congress.

"As soon as the governor signs it, the ball is in our hands," said Sen. Royce West, D-Dallas, vowing the Democrats will challenge the new map in court.

Republicans rejected such reasoning. They said their plan would elect one more Hispanic member to Congress and one more black member, in addition to the seven Hispanics and two blacks now representing Texas.

The redistricting battle has kept the Legislature in session for more days this year than in any previous year. Both Democrats and some Republicans have warned it could leave a lingering residue of partisan ill will after a decade of vaunted bipartisanship.

Mr. Perry and Mr. Dewhurst have predicted tempers will cool and cooperation will return when lawmakers tackle reform of school finance and the state's tax structure in coming months.

But Sen. Mario Gallegos, D-Houston, said Democratic lawmakers won't soon forget how their colleagues tried to fine them each $57,000 for their New Mexico trip and bulldozed the map through to passage.

"The emotions are high," Mr. Gallegos said. "I'd be lying to you if I told you it isn't going to spill over into school finance. That's another emotional issue."

Staff writer George Kuempel in Austin contributed to this report.


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201 posted on 10/13/2003 1:41:55 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: deport
17 - 14...... Means two Republican Senators voted No..... Probably Ratliff and I don't know who the other would be. I think there were originally 3 or 4 objecting until they got the differences worked out with the House and the House passed the Reorganizational matters....

They ran they delayed but in the end they voted and lost

From my update from The Dallas Morning News in post #201:

All 12 Democratic senators voted against the plan. They were joined by dissenting Republicans Troy Fraser of Horseshoe Bay and Bill Ratliff of Mount Pleasant.

Simple GOP majority rules the day. It's a great day for Texas !!

Now then, two questions:

1) What things (if anything) can be done to expedite the process for getting the new map approved by the necessary powers that be (courts, etc.) ??

2) What are the chances that this new map will be in place in time to be implemented for election 2004 ??

I just KNOW the 'RATS are going to do everything in their power to delay this for 2004 ...

202 posted on 10/13/2003 1:54:32 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: Jim Robinson
Yeah ! Thanks. Probably FIVE extra GOP seats added now. That's a net ten swing !

203 posted on 10/13/2003 1:58:52 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: Bigun
Yep ! Passed redistricting on Columbus Day !

204 posted on 10/13/2003 2:09:30 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: onyx; CindyDawg
Re #131-32:
Catching up to my comments on this thread. It's a great day for Texas and for the country !

205 posted on 10/13/2003 2:20:57 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: potlatch
Well, according to Google Search ...

He is GOP:

Official web site for libertarian congressman Ron Paul (R - TX).

206 posted on 10/13/2003 3:13:37 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: Theodore R.
He has supposedly said that he was pubbie 51% of the time. On another thread, showing voting records, he is the most liberal pubbie.
207 posted on 10/13/2003 3:34:41 AM PDT by mathluv
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To: deport
Fraser and Ratliff rocking the boat. I WILL try to remember these two ! Thanks ...

208 posted on 10/13/2003 3:38:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: RightOnline
Nope. Your neck of the woods, actually.

Nope. I know where he lives NOW, we have lunch sometimes, but the fact remains he is a lawyer from California. He's is really a fine fellow, but don't tell him.......

209 posted on 10/13/2003 4:12:56 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon; RightOnline; Dog Gone
the fact remains he is a lawyer

Which is the only reason he has found ways to avoid paying up on the beer debt (1,247 and counting)

I am willing to work as a collection agent for 20%.

210 posted on 10/13/2003 4:50:47 AM PDT by Flyer (Visit the Houston Chapter - * (when it works)
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To: lonestar; chuckles
Mr. Owned by Walter Humphries and the Trial Lawyers Turner will soon be scratching his unemployed A$$ to which I say GOOD RIDDANCE!
211 posted on 10/13/2003 5:17:32 AM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof
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To: MeeknMing
I will remember them too.

So we have won the battle but the war in the courts will go on.

Great News, so far.

Now i have to wonder if the runaway rats will send Willy Nelson his whiskey back, no i reckon they are drinking it for breakfast this am to drive the pain away.

Congrats to Texans and Republicans.

*** Fingers crossed for favorable court rulings.***

212 posted on 10/13/2003 5:35:00 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: MissAmericanPie
I believe they effectively made Frost's district such that he is toast ...

213 posted on 10/13/2003 6:25:43 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
"I hope we can now pick up those 4 or 5 extra Congressmen."

I hope so too, and I also pray that the new guys will be people who have NEVER served in a government dominated by Dimocrats, so we can rid our party of its' overwhelming minority mentality.
That minority mentality seems to render our "leaders" incapable of functioning whenever a Dimocrat opposes them.

214 posted on 10/13/2003 6:29:36 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: No Blue States
*** Fingers crossed for favorable court rulings.***

Article IV
Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Amendment XIV
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

As near as I can tell, Texas doesn't need a federal court's permission for anything. It is about time that Americans started forcing the Federal Judiciary to live within the Constitution. Folks in black robes are scarier than folks in white sheets. A lot of these rogue black robes need to be stripped and then jailed.
215 posted on 10/13/2003 6:30:49 AM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: Theodore R.
"Because Paul is independent and not easily controlled by the national party..."

Ron Paul is "independent" in the same sense that a loose cannon rolling about the deck in heavy seas, smashing anything it runs into, is said to be "independent."

Maybe the best description of him is just a"loose cannon!"

216 posted on 10/13/2003 6:35:08 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Bigun
Mr. Owned by Walter Humphries and the Trial Lawyers Turner will soon be scratching his unemployed A$$ to which I say GOOD RIDDANCE!

Mr. Blue Dog who votes with Sheila Jackson-Lee 90% of the time, Turner?

Bye-bye Yellow-Dog Blue Dog.

219 posted on 10/13/2003 7:19:20 AM PDT by lonestar (Don't mess with Teexas)
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To: Redbob
My gosh, the man is a pediatrician by profession. Has he been sued for being a "loose cannon" while delivering babies? I don't know, maybe he has. Anyone today would be a "loose cannon" if he strictly adhered to the Constituiton of the United States.
220 posted on 10/13/2003 7:23:14 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the news Meek, this calls for merriment, strong drink, and feasting on the slaughtered goat.=o)
221 posted on 10/13/2003 7:25:05 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: GunRunner
Do you know the particulars of the map? Does it get rid of Frost and Doggett for sure?

The only way either of those two guys could win would be to move to a new district. Even then, they'd either have to beat out a minority candidate, generally the incumbent.

The Republicans could not have done a better job in making it virtually impossible for either of these two nasty liberals to stay in Congress.

222 posted on 10/13/2003 7:35:13 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: No Blue States
I see clear sailing through the courts. Hope so, anyway ! ...

223 posted on 10/13/2003 7:41:01 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: Javelina
Well, I don't know about Fraser, but it seems that Ratliff was opposed to Redistricting from the very beginning.

The 'RATS controlled it for 130 years. I would think that most GOP would have been glad to have the opportunity to made the calls now. I guess he didn't feel that way ...

224 posted on 10/13/2003 8:09:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: MeeknMing
What is the current balance in the House? Isn't it around 223-212? With this change, does that make it 228-207?
225 posted on 10/13/2003 8:11:11 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: MissAmericanPie
hehe ! It's a happy week for the GOP. In a five day period the GOP made a successful Recall in California and replaced dimwit Davis with a GOP, AND redistricted about FIVE 'RATS out of commission here in Texas.

Good reason to celebrate alright ! :O)

226 posted on 10/13/2003 8:13:27 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: Teacher317
Oops! It is 229-205-1 right now... A swing of 6 would make it 235-199-1. Nice.

60% of 435 is 261. Got a long way to go (although 60% is far more important for the Senate).

228 posted on 10/13/2003 8:16:05 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
I see your note on #228 also. I wasn't certain of the exact number, but you are in the ball park.

I think realistically, we have added five. It's a good thing !! ...

229 posted on 10/13/2003 8:19:19 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: MeeknMing

Thanks for the ping

230 posted on 10/13/2003 8:31:06 AM PDT by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: Javelina; Dog Gone
I doubt this will be clear sailing through the courts. I'm not an expert in redistricting litigation, but I have some friends who are. They pretty much say that defending it in the courts is going to be pretty hard.

While we might not have too much trouble in terms of minority opportunity districts (which stay pretty much the same), we are gonna have a VRA challenge under the 'communities of interest' aspect of the VRA.

So what is with the GOP claims that the new map adds 2 more minority districts ?? Is that not true ??

I am not up on the technical aspects, so I'm not sure what the 'communities of interest' aspect of Voter Rights is all about.

We split up rural communities of interest like crazy and attached all the rural areas to suburbs. That's going to be our biggest challenge in the courts.

Aren't the maps currently pretty much like that now ?? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not sure, period.

231 posted on 10/13/2003 8:32:33 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: MeeknMing
An example of taking rural areas and making them subservant to the burbs can be found in the new districts of #2 and #8... The 9th was split and made a part of the 2nd and 14th....... both of those now will be majority Houston dominated.....

Much of the rural area from the old 2nd was assigned to the 8th which will be controlled population wise by the area north of Houston up in the Woodlands/Conroe region.

That was part of Ratliff's complaint from the beginning. It was taking his rural district and placing it under the dominance of the burbs surrounding Dallas....

The "Community of Interest" argument will be interesting to follow... It seems to have gotten more play this time in redistricting nationwide... do a google and you'll get many articles.....

However the bottom line is the burbs are where the population growth is occurring so it will be hard to have just rural aligned districts.....
233 posted on 10/13/2003 8:46:35 AM PDT by deport (The Many, The Proud, The Winners)
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To: Javelina
Oh. I think I see what you're saying now. Thanks.

234 posted on 10/13/2003 9:29:08 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: deport
Thanks !

235 posted on 10/13/2003 9:31:06 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: yall
While I'm thinking about it, here is a list of selected links for Texas Redistricing ...

FR Search: Keyword "Redistricting"

Texas Redistricting - Senate [PASSES!] new redistricting !!!

GOP's legislative map up for vote

Texas Redistricting map now online
(link is in thread)

Democrats in Congress unhappy with Redistricting
(Goodbye, Martin Frost)

Texas Reaches Redistricting Agreement

The Communist Party Is Alive and Well -
Cheering Democrat Legislators On MoveOn.Org

Federal Judges Dismiss ALL Claims of Democratic Senators
(Texas Redistricting)

"The arrest issue likely will become moot," the judges wrote in their opinion. Democrats "fear of being coerced to appear at a legislative session is shifting to a fear of being prevented from appearing.

Translation: Dear 'RATS: Ya can't turn the issue on its' head and have it both ways. Report to work and do your jobs or pay the price for being absent !!

Governor Calls 3rd Special Session (Texas Redistricting)

Dems to return to Texas

Standoff may crumble - Whitmire returns;
Perry weighs 3rd special session (Chicken Run)

Senators urge Perry to back off -
Poll: 62% of Texans opposed to 'RATS bolting to New Mexico

08-26-2003 Aiding Fugitive Texas Democrats (Update!)

Costs for Democrat exiles may hit $400,000 -, DNC, Texas 'RAT Party raise funds for them

MoveOn.Org Supporting the Texas Chicken D's -
Letter from Senator Rodney Ellis

This was written by Freeper Congressman Billybob ...

"Texans for Sale or Rent"

[To the Roger Miller tune, Trailers for sale or rent] ...

Texans for sale or rent / Having our room service sent / Lounging ‘round by the pools / Playing our whole state for fools ....

We know every lawyer in every court / And all of their partners, and all of their torts / And every hangout, in every town/ And every lock that ain't locked when no one's around ....

Texans for sale or rent ....

With my apologies to the good Freepers and lawyers here. No offense intended ...

And that article is a LOT more than that little song parody, too !

ATLA'S Logo:

I like my versions better !:

no offense intended toward good Freepers and lawyers ...

Texas democrats. Radio interview with
Sen. Rodney Ellis, runaway senator.

This is one of the Texas Chicken D's holed up in Albuquerque, N.M. He calls the fines 'Poll Taxes' and RUDELY hogs the conversation with this radio show host, then HANGS UP on him !!

G-r-r-r-r-r !!


Unbelievable Conversation with Senator Rodney Ellis
by Greg Knapp 08-13-2003
You’ve GOT to hear this to believe it ! (13 min., 47 sec)

Runaway Democrats shun deadline, defy fines - 'RAT sign: 'Republican Poll Tax: Day 1 $1,000'

Fleeing Texas Democrats face new probe

AWOL senators face fines

Demo senators strike note of defiance in maintaining holdout
(Chicken Run Official Song...)

Excerpt (Freeper comeback lyrics):
"The Killer D's of Texas"
Tune: "The Yellow Rose of Texas"
Words copyright 2003 SChad Fairbanks

Oh, the killer D's of Texas,
Are running away.
They don't act like real Texans,
so who needs 'em anyway.
They fled across the border,
to avoid a little fray.
And the killer D's of Texas
are afraid of Tom Delay.

Van de Putte says she expects redistricting measure to pass
(Texas Van to Van de Putte Freep meeting)

Walkout leader blasts Perry -
Democrat Van de Putte says governor's push for remap has been divisive

Each side has its spin on redistricting standoff

Dewhurst's reputation depends on 11 who fled

Senators' letter asks Dewhurst for help --
Dems get diapers, `nasty' phone calls

Dewhurst: I'm honoring tradition and precedent
(Article exposes ‘RAT Lies!!)

Congressional districts in Texas today are essentially those drawn by a partisan Legislature in 1991. At that time, a national publication called the Texas map the most outrageously gerrymandered redistricting effort in the nation, resulting in Democratic strength in our congressional delegation well beyond its representation among voters.

Our congressional lines are even more outdated today. When the Legislature failed to draw new lines to accommodate Texas' two new congressional seats in 2001, the job fell to a federal court. The judges made the fewest changes possible to the existing 1991 map, in essence protecting incumbents.

Democrats bolt again – to New Mexico
(Senators trying to halt new special session on redistricting)

Link to pics of the 11 Democrat Senators that Obstructed Redistricting
(Post #4)

Session ends as 11 Democrats slip out
(Dem's Flee state again!)

GOP effort to redraw districts is crushed
[Texas redistricting]

Democrats may be free to flee - constitutionally protected, says lawyer

As new Texas redistricting map offered,
Dewhurst says compromise is in the air

Committee passes redistricting bill (Texas)

Texas Republican Senators Forge Ahead on Congressional Redistricting Plans

[Texas] Senators talk of boycotting any redistricting session

Mr. Dewhurst said he would be on solid ground in working around the Senate tradition requiring a two-thirds vote to take up a bill. The late Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock, a Democrat, did the same thing in a 1992 special session on legislative redistricting, Mr. Dewhurst said.

New map, same pain for Dems
(Texas Redistricting fun)

New map surfacing in Texas Senate

Dewhurst at crossroads on redistricting in Texas Senate

Ratliff joins Democrats to oppose redistricting

The state Republican Party was quick to point out that the [2/3rd’s] rule has been abandoned on occasion – such as when the Senate took up a state senatorial redistricting plan in 1992.

DROP IT -- Redistricting would benefit few Texans, harm many

Senators have problems with House redistricting map - Texas redistricting

House passes remap
Veteran Democrats may lose seats if bill goes through Senate

Above article is worthy of showing that a picture indeed is worth a thousand words:
First the Chicken D’s run away to Ardmore, Oklahoma. That didn’t work, so here they are,
still having a fit during the Redistricting debate:

As King began his argument for the new congressional boundaries Monday afternoon, about 30 Democrats in the gallery donned white socks as hand puppets to mock King. Every time he spoke, the little white mouths flapped.


Race rhetoric stokes Texas redistricting fire

Tension may soar as map debate hits House floor - Texas redistricting

House panel quickly passes Republican redistricting plan -
map likely to unseat six Democrats

New GOP map restores (Rep. Martin Frost's) district

Republicans pull proposed map - redistricting

Chamber of Commerce and GI Forum Hire Temps to Testify

The Great Texas Power Grab - redistricting

Tx Democrats Trying Fight, Not Flight, Over Districts

236 posted on 10/13/2003 9:39:27 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!:
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To: Javelina
As far as I know, no court has ever begun to give rural voters the same kinds of protections based on the Voting Rights Act as minority voters. I'm sure the Democrats intend to make that argument, though.

I think we're more vulnerable to the charge that the GOP might pick up 68% of the congressional seats while getting about 55% of the popular vote in the state. There's a lot of precedent allowing that, but I think we're vulnerable to charges of overreaching. The Pennsylvania case will tell us a lot.

237 posted on 10/13/2003 9:49:15 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Javelina
I don't recall the name of the case offhand, but you need look no further than the 1991 map in Texas, which was upheld even though it was the most partisan map in the country.

The US Supreme Court case which upheld partisan gerrymandering is Davis v. Bandemer (1986).

239 posted on 10/13/2003 10:37:18 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
240 posted on 10/13/2003 11:57:14 AM PDT by GunRunner (Yeah baby.)
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To: Javelina
So...yes, we do need the court's approval.

This illustrates the Federal government usurping the Constitution and using the courts to aid its efforts. I am suggesting to you that it is time to end this practice and start forcing the federal government to live within its Constitutional constraints.
241 posted on 10/13/2003 11:58:42 AM PDT by Reagan Renaissance
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To: Theodore R.
Paul is a lifelong Republican

Not true. In 1988, Dr. Paul was the Libertarian Party nominee for the U.S. Presidency.
242 posted on 10/13/2003 12:52:34 PM PDT by My back yard
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To: Tall_Texan
There's no way he'd be elected without the (R) by his name but he is very consistent in his voting and I do admire his principle even if I disagree with some of his votes. With all the two-faced reps in both parties who say one thing and vote another, at least with Ron Paul you know what you're getting.

I agree with that. I am in the 14th district, and have voted for him gladly. I don't always agree with his stand on some things. But.."There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few." and I happily will vote for him again. (and besides, he sends me a birthday card every year. :)

243 posted on 10/13/2003 12:59:53 PM PDT by My back yard
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To: My back yard
Well, I meant that I did not think Paul had been a Democrat originally, as had most TX Republicans. Of course, I knew that he was the Libertarian candidate for president in 1988.

Did you know that it is impossible to register as "Libertarian" in TX? Why? One can state a party in TX ONLY by voting in a party primary. The Libertarians have never held a primary in TX; so there is no formal affiliation with the Libertarian Party possible in TX.
244 posted on 10/13/2003 1:59:32 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: MEG33
"Don't Mess With Texas Republicans!"

A bump to that!
245 posted on 10/13/2003 7:56:36 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Dog Gone
I think we're more vulnerable to the charge that the GOP might pick up 68% of the congressional seats...

You are assuming a best case scenario of 22 R's and 10 D's; a seven seat pick up for Pubbies. I don't see it, but I don't have access to the software they use for such things. Pretty sophisticated I hear. A more likely scenario would be a 5 seat pick up initially, yielding roughly a 62% share; well within precedent set by Dims.

In any case, there are still no guarantees of how it will all shake out; redistricting itself may change voting patterns.


246 posted on 10/13/2003 8:41:59 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
...redistricting itself may change voting patterns.

Probably would be better stated as "...may change voter bahavior"? Point being, not even our map drawers can be certain of the outcome. I'm sure they have gone through the best case/worst case thing many times.


247 posted on 10/13/2003 8:48:32 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Pubbie
First you get the Congress, Then you get the Senate, Then you get the Women!

And because of your tireless efforts, you get two! Babs Mikulski and HRC.

248 posted on 10/14/2003 6:14:32 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: GeronL
How's that? It makes his seat more Republican.
249 posted on 10/14/2003 6:23:19 AM PDT by Impy (Don't you fall into the trap, democrats are full of crap.)
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To: Impy
because he is on the libertarian side
250 posted on 10/14/2003 5:43:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Please visit and
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