There are many Christian "denominations" -- by one count 34,000 that have identified themselves as Christian groups -- and often, of course, they're at odds with each other. This is especially true of "fundamentalist" Christians and Catholics.Posted on 09/06/2004 9:30:23 PM PDT by Salvation
PROTESTANTS CLAIM VISIONS, PROPHETIC WORDS RESEMBLING THOSE OF CATHOLICS
There are many Christian "denominations" -- by one count 34,000 that have identified themselves as Christian groups -- and often, of course, they're at odds with each other. This is especially true of "fundamentalist" Christians and Catholics.
But they share some intriguing aspects. The charismatic branches of both major groups heal in a way that is similar (whereby the person prayed over often falls gently to the floor, known as "resting" or being "slain" in the Spirit); both pray in "tongues"; and many Christians receive alleged prophecy in the way of "locutions" or "words of knowledge."
There are also similarities in the sense of our time, with many factions of conservative Christianity agreeing that something is up -- although Protestants often head off into the concept of a "rapture," in which God's people supposedly will be lifted from the earth before a tribulation, in a way that doesn't seem especially realistic, nor, in our opinion, well-grounded in Scripture.
We say this with all due respect, as Catholics who attempt to heed the Pope's call for dialogue between the denominations.
There are also visions, and one that has made the rounds in certain circles is from a woman named Susan Cummings, who more than a year ago asserted a vision of storms that seems especially relevant in the wake of hurricanes. It is also intriguingly similar to that foreseen by many Catholics. Is there any truth to it? Can Catholic and Protestant prophecy coincide?
"I am standing, facing two storms," said Cummings, whose prophecies are posted on an internet message board. "One is to the left of me and the other is to the right of me. They are in the forms of two great stormy whirlwinds. The one on the left is black and red. The one on the right is red and gold. Both are very powerful fiery whirlwinds with very fearful appearances.
"I am standing facing them, and in the middle, between them is a ledge. It is a long narrow strip of passage that goes right between the two whirlwinds. I feel led to come closer.
"The storms are both very close to this passage, and it is only wide enough for one person to travel through at a time. The two whirlwinds are both raging with very powerful winds and lightning and thunders. I can hardly hear anything but them as I come up to the passageway. The ground beneath my feet is shaking with the roaring of the storms and it is hard to keep coming closer, as I want to go back away from the storms. They are very fearful to behold.
"But I determine in my heart that I will obey the Lord. So, I walk up to the narrow passageway, and the storms are now so close that I can almost touch them. Their roars are so loud, there is no other sound to be heard. The winds from them buffet me, and I have to steady myself to keep from being sucked into the storms.
"I then feel this urgency to step onto the narrow strip between the two storms. I reach forward and place my feet upon the strip of ground, and step onto the passage. As I take another step, I am amazed as I can’t hear the storms on both sides of me anymore. They are right beside me, swirling, and raging, as I walk... but there is no sound. It is quiet in the passageway. There is no fear in here.
"The Lord then speaks to me from the passageway... 'Daughter, you are seeing the storms that have now begun upon the lands. The red and black storm upon the left is the destroyer that has been loosed upon the wicked, the rebellious, and the unbelievers. The curse has been released upon all who have set themselves in opposition to Me and to My people. The land no longer will absorb the sins or the punishments but will release the fury and the justice from the blood that cries out from the ground.
"'The red and gold storm upon the right is the reaping now come to fruition upon the disobedient, the selfish, and the unclean among My House. In My Mercy, I have cried out to My own to come to Me, and to cleanse themselves, but they would not. I held back My Judgment, so they could know My Embrace, but they rejected Me and found solace among men instead. The reaping from their deeds is now so great that unless I release it now, to bring them to me, it would quickly destroy them all.
"'The path between the two storms that you are on is the way of suffering. Few have truly embraced Me in this. Few have been willing to be placed upon the altar of sacrifice and to be consumed by Me. Few have been willing to suffer for My Sake. Few have seen Me, or have desired to know My Heart. My Son learned obedience through suffering, and my children think that they can come to Me, or even know Me, without it. The Path of Life is the Path of Death. Few have chosen to lay their lives down, and to deny themselves their pleasures and comforts, and to follow Me into the refining fires.
"'Very Few will now know Me walking beside them in the storms...
"'So few...
"'The raging winds are the reaping of the whirlwind by their rebellions against Me. The lightnings are the curses that will now come upon them and will not be removed, because they chose not to embrace the LIGHT OF MY TRUTH, they will now embrace the FALSE LIGHT and it will strike them with fear.
"'The thunderings are the WORD that has been spoken, which they rejected, and will now judge them.'”
As the Lord spoke these words to me, I looked down and saw that my feet were part of the path, and were no longer my own. But they had merged into the path. The path also began to flow forwards into the storms, down between the storms.
"The Lord then said, 'Your path is now Mine, and will no longer be separated from mine as you are in Me. I am your Peace and you will not fear. You will be brought through this season by Me and by My Power, and not in your own strength. I AM your Strength and your Salvation and to all who will follow Me.
"'The narrow path of suffering which you now stand upon is the WAY OF FAITH. It has always been your faith, which has brought you to Me, and it has always been in your faith, through which I moved in your life. It will be your faith, in which you will now stand and see My Salvation.
"'Throughout the ages of men, there has always been those few who have endured the cross, and seen Me work in their lives. They have labored without seeing the promise.
"'They have dared to believe My Word, and have chosen to remain faithful to the end. These few will not be denied, nor will they be destroyed or harmed by the storms that now have begun.'”
[resources: The Day Will Come]
Two storms?
One black and red
one red and gold
Significance?
Anyone?
More significant is the path between the storms, and its calm.
There is a middle path that is unclear to those who only see the two storms, which strive to distract and destroy.
Once upon the middle path, the clarity of sight and firmness of footing come from being on a true path.
That's how I see it...
In Chinese culture, red is considered a propitious color.
Red, I always thought stood for the color of blood.
Black for the color of death
And gold for the color of God (sainthood)
Think of the color of vestments of the priest and on what days they are worn.
Red -- martyrs feast days
Black -- used to be used at funerals -- now they use white
White -- is used at Easter and special Church Holidays, some saint's days.
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Becky McLendon
I had a dream about sitting at a table with George W. Bush and a whole group of other people. Somehow everyone there had a zip lock bag full of medications to show him. All they could talk about was their health condition and the medications they had to take. He listened intently, nodding his head, but then he turned to me. I had no zip lock bag nor any medications. I said, "I don't take any of that stuff, nor do I need it." He had a most tender look on his face, and he reached out his left hand to take my right. (I was sitting immediately to his left). He held my hand for the rest of the meeting.
I got up to do something and they were all pouring red wine. When it came to where I was sitting I held up my hand and said no thank you. Again he looked at me with tenderness and smiled.
The whole thing seemed to be focused on the control the medical/health care industry has on people. part of it is an evil spirit controlling America's dependency on medications. Also the pills in ziplock bags are showing that people are taking things to "mask" symptoms...i.e. cover up their SIN. They were showing him all these things and of course their concern was the COST of it. Covering up sin IS EXPENSIVE. We are essentially an UNREPENTANT nation. We are very RELIGIOUS, with our many pretty church houses and huge congregations and mega ministry corporations, but we are still basically unrepentant.
We have pills, pills, but the LORD is saying how many different forms of medication there are. When we think of medication, we also have that going on in so many churches. They are being soothed in their spirits by entertainment that takes the place of true worship. That's about all they are getting for their tithes: religious medication. Entertainment is just medication. "Easy grace" is just medication. It is like David playing for Saul to soothe the violence in his heart. We have over eating, we have addiction to TV, addiction to sex, addiction to gambling, any kind of "escape" that we can take on to cover up the misery we have lived in in our sin. Bush KNOWS the difference between the true SPIRIT of God and the spirit of the world. His "job" dictates that he has to listen intently to all the carnality of the world. But when the spirit of God speaks, He attends to it with profound love and agreement.
However, God has a praying remnant. Our prayers will help Bush. The golden censers have prayers stored in them that have seen his need. The golden censor holds prayers for these times. Bush's administration will be more overshadowed than any others have ever been.
God did this with me during his first election. That is where I went in spirit to the inaugural place and saw an assassin in a window with a high powered rifle...set to kill him. I re arranged the whole room and told them someone was over there. A plot to kill him either politically OR in reality was stopped at that time. THEN we saw the mess that last election was with all the controversy about votes . The Lord then gave the word that Bush IS His man for this season. That He would give a prophetic mantle and Bush would do a "Josiah" work in America, causing a massive turning to the Word of God for our guidance rather than evil laws. Wicked men will hate him and his life is in constant danger. (I have had several "assassination" dreams of powerful intercession.)
He is going to more covered than ever. God has a plan for America. Regardless of the evil in government, Bush has been raised up for such a time as this. And this is the term where that will come to the forefront!!! Regardless of things in the man, George Bush, that we might not agree with or things about the nature of his political position, God has placed him in office for such a time as this, and he will carry out what God has for him to do. We are commanded to pray for him and the office of authority that he holds. Amen and Amen.
Becky
Aren't Muslims, Hindus, etc. claiming to see visions under Fatima as well as Protestants. How do you sort all this out?
The Roman Catholic Church is the One True Church. Roman Catholicism is the One True Faith. The Sacred Teachings and Traditions of HIS Church is the dividing line separating those who protest against truth from those who are faithful to His will.
The significance of red and black? Too much acid?
Sorry, this doesn't sound like the MO for true visions. There's too many things that are off.
Her visions are a deception and are from Hell.
"Very Few will now know Me walking beside them in the storms"
No need to be a prophet to understand this,Martha is a classic example.
We are living in a time of spiritual warfare on a huge scale.We have been "freely given" much in the way of protection but only one weapon.
Our enemy is more subtle than we know.He goes about practically unchecked while christians argue over wether their sword is adequate for the job.< /rant >
Can't help but agree on a lot of what she has said.
God bless
Hey, I'm the messenger here. I didn't write the article!
Such arrogance and pride (which comes before the fall according to God). No wonder I rarely venture into the "religion" (read RC) forum any more.
Calling Joseph Smith ... your eye-glasses are needed.
And . . . you're making that assessment on what basis? I'm not saying that I know for a fact which side her dreams come from, I'm just asking where the dogmatism in your statement comes from.
One black and red
one red and gold
Significance?
Refers to the SanFrancisco 49ers - Atlanta Falcons game Sept 12th?
Catholic = Universal
His will is for us to accept Jesus Christ as his only son sent to earth to wash us of our sins; To spread the free gift of salvation to all regions of the world; To love our neighbors as we would like to be loved. There are many other details but I am confortable in believing God is just as pleased with a person who does these things and skips the confessional as he is with a person who holds the gift close to their vest but does all the works demanded by the RC church.
But I will not hold those who live and die by RC church's traditions against them as I believe if they recognize Jesus' sacrifice, then they will be rewarded a spot in Heaven.
I think the difference in my view is stark in comparison to yours, in my humble opinion.
My tag line is the significance. One step off the narrow path puts you in the storm(s).
The only way back (should you stray) is through the Sacraments of the Catholic Church.
I don't believe protestants have visions from God. Probably could be worded better, but I think that's true.
Somebody brought up a case otherwise in this thread, and I believe in visions like that, but I believe they are a call to the Catholic Church, and they usually turn out to be.
A vision that does not teach the truths of the Catholic Church is not from God, and has to be discounted. That's the narrow path.
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