Posted on 08/12/2006 10:16:49 AM PDT by Blake#1
I am aware! I also am aware that the Archbishop of Cantebury is presently in China. Why would Cantebury be in China if not to speard God's Word? The World Anglican Communion is growing at a very fast rate. You can share God's Word and be a nationalists.
To be sure if they are Communists or not, the Vatican must be in total control of their ordinations. We can not let some just slip through the cracks. As to your answer can't they be a Nationalist church like the English, in a word, NO.. not if they are going to claim to be Catholics in communion with the Pope.
Thanks for those links you put up, Salvation. Very informative for those who don't know the situation of the Church in China.
Here you bring up the age old argument. "Only the Vatican". We will never agree on that premise! Someday the entire Christian Church will unite, IMHO!
You're welcome.
You're absolutely right I am bringing it up because these are suppose to be Catholics that are in communion with the Pope, not Communists who plot against the Church and the whole of Christianity!
Blake, you seem to be rather confused about the history of your own sect. The Catholic Church always allowed the appointment of "nationalist" bishops and in fact often insisted on it. Even when Henry VIII was subtracting his obedience from Rome the Vatican allowed Cranmer to be made Archbishop of Canterbury despite the fact he had taken a wife (a German Lutheran named Margarete) -- all in the hopes of preserving communion for the English faithful.
Also, the PCA in China is not about a nationalist Church, but a communist dominated one. The ChiComs have been forcing episcopal appointments on the above ground church since 1959 while imprisoning every single underground bishop at one time or another and almost all underground Catholic priests as well at one time or another. Hundreds of these prelates and priests have disappeared forever. A number have turned up dead.
The Catholic Church had every right and reason to excommunicate these illicit bishops. Don't be surprised if much of this is for show, however, because it is known that some PCA bishops secretly long for full communion with the Church.
One day all Christians will be united. Where Protestant sectarians like you will be when that happens I have no idea.
I believe the issue is the Church itself is the one who appoints its own.
Your point?
I don't think its about Communism.
If these bishops were appointed by the government, you can be sure that they were put in place to fulfill the will of the state, not the will of Christ. They are trying to have two Masters.
What do you think this means then?:
"The Vatican on Thursday excommunicated two bishops ordained by China's state-controlled church without the pope's consent...."
Exactly what controls the state in China? Communism.
I think its about who appointed them and that's why they don't recognize them.
ie Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Cuba
The Anglican Provence (sic) of Christ the King?
What's that?
One of the endless subdivisions (most with more clergy than laity) of the Church of England that has come about since your separation from the See of Peter?
Once again, Marajade, you can't be a Communist and be a Catholic Bishop. From the Catechism: "The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism."
You're quite correct.
We excommunicate ourselves. We do it by our actions. It's called sin.
The Church's declaration is simply a public service announcement to alert us to that fact and to wake us up to what we've just done.
Again I state it has nothing to do with the fact that they were appointed by communist gov't it has to do with the fact that the Pope didn't appoint them.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06052906.html
So this is false?
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