Catholic Leader Says Islam Danger to Europe

The Muslin News ^ | Aug. 31, 2007 | Sumayya Merali

[Gumdrop]

The Pope's private secretary warned of the spread of Islam in Europe....

http://www.muslimnews.co.uk:80/paper/index.php?article=3120

[jtal]

It’s about time the Vatican woke up to this reality.

As much as I admired JPII - he was too conciliatory toward Islam (how long before someone posts the infamous Koran kiss? :-))

This pope seems to be slowly addressing the reality we face in Christendom.

[blinachka]

Not just Europe! The world!!

[Biggirl]

At least the RCC is now being a lot more forthcoming on this great danger for a change!

[starfish923]

It’s about time the Vatican woke up to this reality. As much as I admired JPII - he was too conciliatory toward Islam (how long before someone posts the infamous Koran kiss? :-)) This pope seems to be slowly addressing the reality we face in Christendom.

The Vatican "woke up" to this a l-o-n-g time ago, like in the Crusades! This isn't NEW for Catholics either.

Maybe YOU should wake up and read your history. :-))

Besides, it's not the JOB of the Vatican alone to deal with Islam. The countries of Europe and the West have WELCOMED Muslims and allowed them entry, free and clear. How does a FREE country STOP Muslims from entering their countries ... when said countries boast of "freedom of religion"?

The pope is "slowly" doing everything because he is the head of a 2,000 year old church, as the successor to the ROCK on which Jesus built His church. To react fast or knee-jerk is the ballywick of foolish politicians and people who don't THINK things through.

[Gumdrop]

Thanks to all who read this and have replied. It is important to understand that not only the Vatican, but all persons who respect religious freedoms need to acknowledge the danger that Islam is to our western culture.

I have no doubt that there are some folks in this religion who have become democratized and do not adhere to the redical fundamentalists among their faith, but with all the hatred the Islamists spew forth against anyone who criticizes them, it is more necessary than ever before that we all stand together in this battle.

By-the-way, I agree that the Catholic Church has NOT been late in acknowledging this danger. On the contrary, it is the leftists and secularists who have been ominously quiet - even though they will be among the first to be beheaded if the terorists get their way. Whenever the Pope has mentioned a problem with the radicals in the Muslim world, he (the Pope) has been labelled by the main stream media as intolerant, not the radicals. Go figure!

[Piers-the-Ploughman]

In some ways it does appear the Vatican has been “late” but remember the Moslems and the Church did fight against abortion rights at some UN conference in the 1990s.

Perhaps it is hard for the Vatican to see which is the more dangerous, Western secularism or nutty militant Islam. Western secularism leads to spiritual death and Islam although not truly attractive to western secularists will bring physical death and persecution and conversion if only by the sword if it is not challenged and “quarantined”.

[wmfights]

Perhaps it is hard for the Vatican to see which is the more dangerous, Western secularism or nutty militant Islam.

It has become a numbers game. The birth rates throughout Europe are not enough to sustain the existing population. The shortfall of workers is being made up by the migrants from the youngest nations ie., muslim countries. A great book detailing this decline is "America Alone" by Mark Steyn.Europe is going to fall and the question really is can Islam be civilized, or will it always be a radical death cult.

BTW, America is the only modern industrialized nation maintaining it's population (just barely).

[starfish923]

I do agree with you. I think that the danger isn't with Islam itself, but with those whose fervor shakes our own inadequacies and fecklessness to the core.

I think the solution must come strengthening our own faith, uniting Christians, NOT "against" anyone or any religion, but uniting with each other.

If we had the faith, fervor and practice of Islam in our own Christianity, we wouldn't be so afraid. We fear because we see their success in uniting their people.
I'm not disagreeing with you, Gumdrop, not at all. THAT strength of religion is exactly what the ROMANS feared in our early Christians: THEY WERE ON FIRE with the Holy Spirit! Would that we had that fire again. Come, Holy Ghost.

[wmfights]

I do agree with you. I think that the danger isn't with Islam itself, but with those whose fervor shakes our own inadequacies and fecklessness to the core.

I hope you don't mind my jumping in. Do you believe Islam itself is a religion of peace? I'm not trying to play "gotcha". I believe Islam was founded by Mohamed as he was guided by Satan.

[starfish923]

I hope you don't mind my jumping in. Do you believe Islam itself is a religion of peace? I'm not trying to play "gotcha". I believe Islam was founded by Mohamed as he was guided by Satan.

Don't mind it at all.

I have four points you might consider.
1. Most of Islam is a knockoff of Judaism and Christianity. Muslims greatly respect both of those religions and the "People of the Book."

2. No, Islam isn't the religion of peace. Mohammad never said it was. "Islam" means "submission to God." It doesn't mean "peace" and never did.

3. People make war; religions don't. If you believe Satan guided Mohammad, then he guided him using the Old and New Testaments. I don't believe Satan guided Mohammad at all. I don't even speculate.
I do know that many wars and much evil are started in the name of religion, as we see in those insane imams who advocate suicide bombers, but that's all hypocrisy and I truly believe that hypocrisy, especially religious hypocrisy, is guided by Satan.
There have been holy people since the beginning of time who have talked gullible people into dying for their particular purposes. THEY were guided by Satan.

4. I don't listen to and observe those evil imams and then believe that THEY represent the billion+ Muslims in the world. That would be like condemning the religion of Catholicism and ALL its priests for the sins of a relatively few evil pederast priests.

No "gotcha" intended here either.

[Bainbridge]

I think you are very naive.
Most Muslims “Greatly respect” Judaism and Christianity?
Sure, perhaps on paper. However all non Muslims are infidels and in pure Islam have to choose to convert or tod ie "the sword". “People make war ...” Just so much silly talk. Most Muslims are ignorant, backward, poor people who are directed by their Islamic leaders so inreality Religions do make war.

[starfish923]

I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years. It's from my own eye-witness of the culture. It was REAL, not on paper.

Have YOU ever lived in a Muslim country? Until you do, you might not know as much as I do about it. Nothing like experience.

[Bainbridge]

I am sorry , your having lived in SA does not make you the final authority on Islam.
As your contentions are essentially trivial and your response was even weaker, we are through.

[wmfights]

1. Most of Islam is a knockoff of Judaism and Christianity. Muslims greatly respect both of those religions and the "People of the Book."

If they respected both faiths why did they rewrite the Scriptures 600 years after the fact.

2. No, Islam isn't the religion of peace. Mohammad never said it was. "Islam" means "submission to God." It doesn't mean "peace" and never did.

If a religion teaches it is right to convert at the point of a sword, or that those who don't believe should be slaves and are less human it probably doesn't come from God. I don't know of any passages in the OT or NT that call for Jews or Christians to convert people in this manner.

3. People make war; religions don't. If you believe Satan guided Mohammad, then he guided him using the Old and New Testaments.

Islam teaches all must submit to it's authority whether it is willingly or by force.

One of the reasons that I believe Islam is the invention of Satan is that it is based on a rewrite of Scripture 600-1,500 years after the fact.