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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Quix
As I understand it . . . one of the fruits of truth . . . is freedom.

Including Free Will. Run and tell the Calvinists.

6,081 posted on 06/16/2008 10:54:05 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Lacking any proof from you I will be forced to conclude you are a victim of an overactive imagination.

Wait a minute. I have to collect myself here.

If I don't spend an hour or so on dial-up looking through interminable posts of outraged Protestants you will be "forced to conclude" something bad about me?

I'm sorry. I just can't function under such pressure. I'm all verklempt. I'd better go worship the Shiksa Lady Mary and compose myself.

While I'm doing that, do please think up some reasons why I should care about what you are "forced to conclude".

How dreadful to have one's thoughts forced upon one! For freedom Christ has set you free!

6,082 posted on 06/16/2008 10:54:48 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

What a wonderful mind and great language skills you have.

Actually, I didn’t get per se into inner heart motives and mind stuff.

TO ME

the words/phrases themselves IN SUCH A CONTEXT

are inherently blasphemous.

Honestly, MD, once I detached myself—fairly early on—from my mother’s biases and crazinesses in viewing folks of other faiths . . . I really gave RC’s a pretty clean slate in terms of my perspective on their religiosity.

I’ve seen plenty evidence of RC idolatry overseas.

But the most intense, fierce examples have been observed right here on FR, imho.

And I really do feel as strongly towards any hint of such in Pentecostal circles. It’s just far less frequent, less overt and less intense, imho.


6,083 posted on 06/16/2008 10:54:51 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Petronski; DungeonMaster
probably have known 20 or 30 RCs over the last 20 years and none of them studies his bible [sic - we Catholics usually call it the Bible.]

Well forgive me, then. Certainly so rigorous a study of Catholics as that is grounds enough to make sweeping charges against a billion people.

Um, let's see:

30 divided by, to be conservative, 900,000,000.

3/90,000,000
.3/9,000,000,
.03/900,000
.003/90,000
.0003/9,000
.00003/900
.00001/300
.000003/100

Oh, yes. THAT there is a representative sample.

It got warm in my back yard yesterday. Global warming is happening!

Leaving aside that you don't have to "qualify" to be Catholic. We include sinners, and we don't give up on them easily. They may not be studying theri Bible now. But who knows what time will bring?

Protestant are all about judging it seems. They judge the heart and intentions of Catholics and a minute snapshot gives them all they need to judge the entire Church.

6,084 posted on 06/16/2008 11:02:44 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

It’s quite

PLAUSIBLE

that the sample was

QUITE, VERY REPRESENTATIVE of the whole.

It’s not the size per se that’s an issue . . . as I suspect you know.

It’s HOW REPRESENTATIVE was the sample, of the whole.

It may well have been very representative.

It may well have been very UNrepresentative.

Hard to tell.


6,085 posted on 06/16/2008 11:05:42 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: MarkBsnr
This is why we need the Church and why private interpretations are proscribed.

When you submit your will and intellect to the Magisterium you become a happy robot.
6,086 posted on 06/16/2008 11:07:21 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know no thing.)
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To: Quix
Which is mild compared to what Jesus The Christ would say about such.

He would say nothing of the sort: He founded the Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit guides its path.

6,087 posted on 06/16/2008 11:07:33 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster

***The bible is clear about the use of that name so the RCC adopts it as their standard. Such incredible, evil disregard and disrespect for the bible!!!***

Why don’t we look at Matt 23 in context.

Matt 23:
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1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,
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2 saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses.
3
Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.
4
They tie up heavy burdens 3 (hard to carry) and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them.
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4 All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels.
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5 They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues,
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greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation ‘Rabbi.’
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6 As for you, do not be called ‘Rabbi.’ You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers.
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Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven.
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Do not be called ‘Master’; you have but one master, the Messiah.

He is warning everyone here to avoid pride and hubris.

Do not be called ‘teacher’. So every Protestant that calls someone ‘teacher’ is committing a sin?

By the way, ‘doctor’ means ‘teacher’ - we speak of the Doctors of the Church. Brainyquote has as its first definition: A teacher; one skilled in a profession, or branch of knowledge; a learned man.

So Protestants should avoid the term ‘doctor’ as well.

Ditto with the term ‘master’ from which Mister and Mistress are derived. Better avoid those as well.

Let us example a little further what Jesus meant. Doctor means teacher.

1 Tim 2:
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For this I was appointed preacher and apostle (I am speaking the truth, I am not lying), teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

2 Tim 1:
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7 He saved us and called us to a holy life, not according to our works but according to his own design and the grace bestowed on us in Christ Jesus before time began,
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but now made manifest through the appearance of our savior Christ Jesus, who destroyed death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
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8 for which I was appointed preacher and apostle and teacher.

1 Co 12:
28
Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers

and so on.

So what does He mean? He means that accept no ‘fatherhood’ or ‘teacher’ claim on those who do not merit it. Paul calls Timothy his ‘son’ many times throughout his letters. Peter refers to Gospel writer Mark as his son.

In conclusion, I give you 1 Cor 4:
I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 5
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Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Is Paul demonstrating ***Such incredible, evil disregard and disrespect for the bible!!!***?


6,088 posted on 06/16/2008 11:08:27 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

The poor Calvinists have no free will to submit. You yourself admit to knowing nothing.

As a Catholic, I’d say I’m doing pretty good.


6,089 posted on 06/16/2008 11:08:52 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Mad Dawg; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; Forest Keeper; ...
Protestant are all about judging it seems. They judge the heart and intentions of Catholics and a minute snapshot gives them all they need to judge the entire Church.

Scripture exhorts us to use Godly judgment in a number of respects and contexts.

RC's are quite energetic in exercising many judgments towards, about, regarding Prottys. We are often thrown Mat 7:16, for example.

Those . . . criteria etc. slice both ways.

Very much both ways.

6,090 posted on 06/16/2008 11:09:29 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: MarkBsnr
I have debated that point here several times.

Examples? One or two will do.
6,091 posted on 06/16/2008 11:10:05 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know no thing.)
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To: Judith Anne

Please don’t go.

Your posts are very welcome; you are doing well. Do not let the heretic, the apostate and the heathen stop you from doing what is right.

Mark


6,092 posted on 06/16/2008 11:10:23 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix
Hard to tell.

Duh!

Being a non-random sample reported anecdotally by a biased source, it is impossible to tell.

6,093 posted on 06/16/2008 11:10:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Mad Dawg
Protestant are all about judging it seems. They judge the heart and intentions of Catholics and a minute snapshot gives them all they need to judge the entire Church.

When a Christian departs from grace, there is either repentence, or a retreat into legalism.

6,094 posted on 06/16/2008 11:11:11 AM PDT by papertyger (What Would Jesus Do? ... Remember "freak out and turn over tables," is a valid option ;o)
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To: Petronski

6,095 posted on 06/16/2008 11:12:18 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

Thank you again for sneering at my faith.


6,096 posted on 06/16/2008 11:13:13 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Quix

***You think we’d enjoy pontificating to our mirrors or the choir?***

Why not? Creating one’s own god whilst gazing lovely at one’s visage in the mirror might get boring after a while.


6,097 posted on 06/16/2008 11:13:38 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
just curious, any sign of FEMA around?

Yes they were handing out free bottled water at wallmart and will be cutting checks for $28,000 per homeowner whose home is underwater.

6,098 posted on 06/16/2008 11:14:37 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: Petronski

***I have a “no-gibberish” rule. Sorry.***

Lot’s of luck sticking with it around here. :)


6,099 posted on 06/16/2008 11:15:05 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
When you submit your will and intellect to the Magisterium you become a happy robot.

And when you don't, you become a proselytizing heretic.

6,100 posted on 06/16/2008 11:15:52 AM PDT by papertyger (What Would Jesus Do? ... Remember "freak out and turn over tables," is a valid option ;o)
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