Posted on 05/08/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
A recent poll claimed that about half of all professing Christians don’t believe that Jesus is God, or that the Holy Spirit and Satan even exist. Smaller but still significant percentages don’t believe that Jesus lived a sin free life or that He is the only way to salvation. This has prompted questions about whether this means they aren’t really saved. I remembered an article on this subject that I wrote a number of years ago and in response to these questions I have updated and expanded it. I believe it will explain what you have to believe about Jesus to be saved. Let’s read it.
The Other Six
Ever suspect while talking with someone that you may have a mutual friend? Then as you get further into the conversation you realize that you are describing two different people who happen to have the same name? So it is with discussions of Jesus. The name’s the same but the descriptions vary widely. Over the years I’ve collected numerous descriptions of men named Jesus. Which one do you know?
First there’s the Jesus of Judaism. He’s known in Jewish writings as the illegitimate son of Miriam (Mary). He lived in the first century CE (they don’t use AD) and led people away from main stream Judaism into a cult. His followers were first called Netzerim (people of the branch) and later Christians. In his name Jews have been persecuted unmercifully over the centuries. Jews who admit to believing He was their Messiah are often considered dead to their families. Jews don’t believe in a second coming because they don’t believe there’s been a first one.
Then you have the Jesus of Islam. He was a prophet and teacher on a par with Mohammed. His role was to help prepare people for the great leader from Allah coming at the end of time to judge the world. He was born of a virgin but was not the son of God because the Quran says “God begets not, nor is he begotten.” He didn’t die for the sins of the people because in Islam salvation comes from good works. Neither was he resurrected. Instead, in a time of confusion God took him live into heaven and someone else was crucified. He will return at the end of the age to defeat the anti-Christ, call everyone to Islam, and prepare the world for judgment.
The Jesus of Mormonism is the spirit brother of Lucifer. Both are sons of a god who was once a man and one of his many wives. This Jesus became a human as the result of a sexual union between the Mormon god and an unmarried Jewish girl named Mary. He’s often called the Savior but never Lord, because although he’s one of god’s sons, he’s not god. If he determines that you’ve done everything you possibly can to earn your own salvation and are still short, he’ll graciously make up the difference. He’ll return at the End of the Age, having protected his saints through the time of Great Tribulation, to set up his kingdom.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses have a Jesus too. He’s a son of Jehovah, but He’s not God. Rather, he was a perfect man just like Adam originally was. Before he became a man he was the Archangel Michael, who The Witnesses believe to be Jehovah’s first created being. Just believing in Jesus is not enough to save us. we also have to become a Jehovah’s Witness, be baptized, and obey God’s laws all of our life to prove ourselves worthy. Their Jesus wasn’t physically resurrected, but came back to life in Spirit form. He returned to Earth in Spirit form in 1914 and will become a physical being again at Armageddon.
Then there’s the Jesus of the liberal denominations. He’s a first century man who lived an exemplary life of such gentleness and grace that it was almost as if he was God. He’ll see that everyone who joins their denominations gets accepted into heaven whether they’re born again or not. Some proponents of liberal theology claim that he’ll also see that everyone who was sincere in whatever other religion they practiced will get to heaven too. For the most part, liberal denominations don’t believe in the literal fulfillment of End Time events. For many, the 2nd Coming happened to each person when they first believed in Jesus.
The New Age Jesus is really one of the oldest. He originally appeared in first century Gnosticism. This Jesus was a man who like 40 other “ascended masters” holds the key to knowledge (gnosis) that when learned will bring about the next phase of human evolution, a spiritual growth that will finally make peace on earth possible. He didn’t die for our sins because there’s no need for us to be saved.
You’ll find variations on these six themes in nearly every major religion and cult around today. It seems every body wants you to think they know a man named Jesus, even if they have to redefine him to suit their beliefs.
The Real Jesus
But there is one more man named Jesus. He is not a created being. On the contrary He is our Creator. As Paul wrote in Colossians 1:16, By him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He’s not an angel and he’s not a mere man, because He created both. The archangel Michael might be the first created being, but if he is, Jesus is the one who created him. And Lucifer may have many brothers, but if he does, Jesus created them all.
This is the Jesus of the Bible. He claimed to be God in the form of man (John 10:30 and 14:9). Men who knew Him agreed. Paul taught the Deity of Jesus in Colossians 1:15-16. So did John (John 1:1-3). The writer of the Book of Hebrews also agreed (Hebr 1:3) and included a quote from Psalm 45:6-7 that shows God Himself addressing Jesus as God (Hebr 1:8). And this is not just a New Testament idea. In his prophecy of the Messiah’s birthplace, Micah said He was an eternal being whose goings forth were from days of eternity. Literally from before time and perpetual. (Micah 5:2) He is the eternal God.
Here’s where your knowledge of Scripture becomes really important, because in order to be all the Bible claims, Jesus has to be both 100% man and 100% God. If He isn’t a man He couldn’t have been made like us in every way and suffered our temptations as Hebr. 2:17-18 claim; he couldn’t be our High Priest as Hebr. 4:14-15 assert; and he can’t be our redeemer because he wouldn’t be our next of kin as required by Lev. 25:47-48 and explained in Rom 5:18-19. If He isn’t God He couldn’t be King David’s Lord (Matt 22:41-45) He couldn’t be sinless (Rom 3:20) and He couldn’t be our Savior (Mark 2:6-12 and 1 Ptr 1: 18-21).
Is This a Cult?
Three things distinguish Christian cult beliefs from orthodox theology. The cults deny the doctrine of salvation by grace alone. You have to earn at least part of the salvation they offer. They also deny the notion of eternal punishment for sin. Everyone goes to some kind of Heaven. And most importantly, they deny the deity of Jesus. They portray Him as a great man and role model; a great teacher, a prophet, even a social revolutionary, but certainly not God.
In truth Jesus was all of that. But He was also much more. He was God in the form of man; the Father dwelling in the Son (Col 1:19). To think of Jesus as anyone other than God is to reject the truth concerning Him revealed through out His Word, and to put yourself at risk of trusting in the wrong Jesus for your eternal destiny. The Jesus of the Bible is the only one of the seven men named Jesus who is able to save you.
So too are common knowledge items like the worldwide Illuminati cabal, Johnson's role in the Kennedy Assassination, Bush's complicity with Halliburton in the illegal war in Iraq, the cabal of Joooooooos who control banking and Hollywood, mind-control rays from HAARP, and so forth.
All of these things are also "common knowledge."
To you they're the same.. but to people that know the source of both they are not.. Being ignorant does not make you a bad guy..
You wrote:
“A potato famine is hardly equivilant to fleeing because to stay would mean death for you and your children because of your Christian faith...”
The English allowed the Catholics to starve to death. They often would only give food to those who abandoned the Catholic faith.
As is well known to anyone who investigates...
“Many Protestants regarded the potato failure as ‘punishment for the prevalence of popery’ and was ‘the main motivation to rescue the people from the darkness of popery and priestcraft and to bring them to the pure light of the gospel’ 3 . The Northern Whig in January 1847 referred to the famine as ‘the present favourable crisis’ which provided an opportunity ‘for conveying the light of the Gospels to the darkened minds of the Roman Catholic peasantry’ 4 . One evangelical group likened Irish Catholics to the people of Israel who underwent a famine because ‘they lacked the knowledge of God - they were superstitious and idolatrous … (the same) consequent wickedness of Ireland, are the cause of its misfortunes’ 5 . In a petition to the English PM Lord John Russell, they pressed for the withholding of relief which, they opined, would ‘support the existence of popery’ and would encourage degradation, misery and vice. Rather than provide food, clothing and shelter, every cabin in Ireland should be provided with ‘the word of God’.”
That’s right. The Protestants were more than happy to let the poor Catholics of Ireland - who long suffered under ruthless Protestant oppression in their own land - to starve to death rather than receive aid!!!
Here’s a lovelt gem:
“William Carleton, a leading member of the Protestant community in Connaught, in 1847 epitomised this God-sent explanation for the famine: ‘We feel that the people must die off … and it is not the first landlord I have heard say as much. This is a blessed famine, God be praised.’ (Bold emphasis my own )14”
A blessed famine? Yep, the Protestants wanted the Catholics to starve to death in the millions if at all possible!!!
http://homepage.eircom.net/~archaeology/two/famine.htm
The English allowed the Catholics to starve to death. They often would only give food to those who abandoned the Catholic faith.
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They also put the Irish Catholics in leaky boats in the pretence of letting them immigrate to the US...
But I was talking about the French Protestants...
Having a Bible or being suspected of being a Protestant was grounds for death at the stake etc..
You are parsing and looking weak.. as you should I suppose..
They are NOT equivalent. The potato famine was real.
Vlad is guilty of no schism. He is Catholic.
The Protestants are, if they are baptised in the Trinitarian formula. But their sects are not.
What do you mean by "prove?"
Proof by truth or mere half-truth?
A mistranslated Bible is not a bible.
Since I’m not ignorant, I know I’m not a bad guy.
There many who believe the Protocols but not Foxe. To them, your logic is perfect too.
Wrong, but perfect to them.
Every christian is a catholic.. meaning member of the universal church.. The Roman Catholic Church is merely a denomination.. You seem to be obfuscating.. "the universal church" with the Roman Catholic Church.. The RCC is a schism.. as are Baptists..
I never said the potato famine was not real...
The persecution and ,murders of Franch protestants went on for over a hundred years 100, of 1,000s were murdered...
More fled...
Because 200,000 fled in the 1680s, many of them nobility, when the French revolution occurred there were few middle class and nobility left to stick up for the king and queen and nobility who were beheaded...
In fact the Revolution might never have even happened if the Church had not murdered and driven out the Huguenots..
There was few to protect the king...
and few to protect the Church...
You wrote:
“Thank you...I’ll accept that as a ...YES having a Bible was a capital crime according to the Church..Punishable by death...”
You poor ill-informed person. What makes you think that possession of a book on the Index led to a death sentence? Remember, the Catholic Church had no authority to put men to death. If a sentence of death was carried out, it was carried out by the state. What secular state put men to death for a violation of the Church’s Index? Can you name that state?
This is exactly the sort of thing that makes me wonder if anti-Catholic Protestants can think. It’s as if anti-Catholics had parents who fed them lead paint chips. Why would anyone think that a violation of the Index was a death sentence and who carried out that death sentence? Also, a matter of a few posts ago we were talking about the Middle Ages and now we’re talking about the Index which did not even exist in the Middle Ages!!!
The Index was created only in 1559. If the proper authority for enforcement of the Index was the Roman Inquisition, then how many people were executed after a Roman inquisition trial for violating the Index? Anyone at all?
The only punishment ever attached to a violation of the Index was excommunication. There was no death penalty of violating the Index.
Baptists(most protestants) do not believe that baptism regenerates(saves) you..
Do Roman Catholic's believe a baptism ceremony "saves" you?..
You wrote:
“But I was talking about the French Protestants...”
And I was talking about the Irish Catholics. So what? What does either group have to do with your fantasies over the Church killing people over Bibles? Answer: nothing.
“Having a Bible or being suspected of being a Protestant was grounds for death at the stake etc..”
Nope. Being suspected of something might have led to an examination but in itself couldn’t lead to anything else. Also, your original nonsensical claims are clearly disproved by your complete lack of corroborating evidence. After all of these posts you’ve posted ZERO evidence.
I don’t know about Roman Catholics, as I’ve never been to Rome.
Nor should you, as it WAS real. The rest of your post stands in contrast.
You wrote:
“You are parsing and looking weak.. as you should I suppose..”
No, Im looking rational and logical. Unlike you, I do not claim one thing is another when it is not. I do not confuse a regional council about the Albigensians with the teachings of an ecumenical council for the whole Church. You have.
Good..
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