Posted on 05/08/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
No Catholic Church is a denomination, whether in Rome or anywhere else.
You seem to be obfuscating.. "the universal church" with the Roman Catholic Church..
Not at all. I did not mention the Roman Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the Universal Church, as Christ wills it.
The RCC is a schism.. as are Baptists..
Whatever you say.
But the Catholic Church is neither a denomination nor a schism. The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ.
Why is that good? Do you prize my lack of information?
Christ did not come to form a church(organization) but a family..
The word church (in greek) does not mean organization..
You wrote:
“What do you mean by “prove?” Proof by truth or mere half-truth?”
Half-truth? I can’t even get a logical retort from these two.
This is what I’ve gotten so far:
1) Any Catholic who did something they don’t like is magically transformed into the Church in its entirety and teaching in her magisterium. The fact that this is illogical in the extreme and completely vapid as an approach is lost on them apparently.
2) Neither one of these two actually knows what they’re talking about. They might think the Index is medieval? For some reason they think violating the Index was punishable by death. Based on what? They say that most people were illiterate, but then later complain only nobles and priests had Bibles. Well, why would illiterate people have books?
3) They are completely unfamiliar with the ancillary sources they talk around. They say it was dangerous to talk about how Christ changed lives. That means they never read a single medieval saunt’s life, nor any sermons at all, nor any books or exhorations. They’ve read nothing at all. They knew nothing, NOTHING AT ALL, about S.R. Maitland’s works or L. Owst’s pioneering works. Nothing.
And the beat goes on...
Because... Rome is filthy with religion..
And He did! That family is the Catholic Church.
The word church (in greek) does not mean organization..
Christ was not speaking Greek at the time.
I've never been to Rome.
I worship in the Church founded by Christ: the Catholic Church.
What about the anti-Italian bigotry? “Rome this” and “Rome that.”
It’s creepy.
You wrote:
“What about the anti-Italian bigotry? “Rome this” and “Rome that.” It’s creepy.”
True. There is much that is creepy here. The denial of scholarship. The denial of history. The bizarre projection it is Catholics who invent history when all the history shows that it is the Protestants who have crafted a phony history with a convenient martyrdom complex to support their own novelty, inventions, lack of history and sheer opportunism founded in schism and heresy.
This is all so ably documented by the Protestant Church historian James R. McGoldrick in his book called Baptist Successionism.
Yah'shua told us:
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance,
but judge with righteous judgment."
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